2004 Points Question

[Nink]

I have 200 points at BCV.

This year, my 1 bdrm, is costing 197 points for my length of stay. Whew, just under the wire!

However, next year, for the same stay, it is costing me 201 points.

Is this going to impare my ability to secure the room I want at the 11 month window because I am short 1 point? Or will I be able to reserve just like this year?

 

[spiceycat]

no you can borrow (if you want too)

I thought the point schedule were the same - when are you going this year and next year?

 

[Nink]

I arrive the Friday after Thanksgiving and stay until the following Thursday.

 

[DebbieB]

If you use 197 in 2003, you would have 3 left to bank. So you would have 203 to start in 2004, so you would still have 2 leftover after using 201. What is your use year? You would have to bank by the end of the 10 month mark (example - April use year has until Jan 31 to bank 25% of total).

Spiceycat - the dates and points around Thanksgiving change each year. If more of your dates are in November rather than December, the points required are a little more.

 

[spiceycat]

okay I see - this year you will stay 2 days in Dec - next year just one day - Dec is cheaper than Nov.

If you are always going to stay at Thanksgiving - I would either start arriving on Saturday - or buy 25 more points.

or know every year you are going to borrow.

 

[timC]

Short one point, eh?

Here are some options...

1) Borrow from your next use year.
2) Change your reservation.
3) Rent 1 point... I think you can rent one on eBay. What price are they up to out there $100/point? .

How about this... In 100 words or less, explain the good to humanity that would be served should someone donate 1 point toward your thanksgiving trip.

Seriourly, I'd either a borrow from your next year, or try the rental forum next door.

Good luck!

 

[spiceycat]

oh when I did the calculation I came up with 199 this year. 201 for next year.

 

[daddiojiggy]

when i went to the seminar they told me that whatever my points bought this year,they would buy the same vacation in 10 years time.will i be needing more points down the road for the same vacation?damn!!

 

[RobDoc]

The point charts have not changed at all since 1996. In this case, yuo are going at the same TIME as last year (Friday after Thanksgiving) but you are not going the same DATES as last year. The dates you have chosen for this trip have different point requirements than the dates you went last year.

The points needed can be changed by DVC, as happened for 1996, but if some dates are increased, others must be decreased since the total points for the year cannot be changed.

Enjoy your trip.

 

[daddiojiggy]

is that carved in stone.'the total points cannot change for the year'.ever?

 

[spiceycat]

read your documents - it say in there - that they can change - but if one season goes up another goes down

they made the adventure season up and the Magic season went down (weekend) at OKW.

there is also what the point cost will be if they ever go to a one point scale - demand would be level - not likely to happen - but it is the documentation.

a villa would be -- no matter what season. I have them somewhere if you are interested I will go look.

 

[Nink]

I am so glad you guys are here to help. I purchased my BCV last November and this will be the first time to stay there.

Slowly but surely I'll get the hang of this bank/borrow thing!

Good ideas all.

Spicycat, where did you get your numbers from?

 

[spiceycat]

60 Friday at magic season
47 Sat at choice season
24*2 = 48 - choice season
22* 2 = 44 - adventure season

199 points for 2003

60 friday at magic seaon
47 sat at choice season
24 * 3 = 72 - choice season
22 - adventure season

201 points for 2004

 

[Nink]

Had I given the actual dates up front, certainly would have been a big help!

Nov. 28 - Dec. 4

Fri Nov 28 = 60
Sat Nov 29 =47
Sun Nov 30 = 24
Mon Dec 1 = 22
Tues Dec 2 = 22
Wed Dec 3 = 22

197 pts

 

[Robert - CO]

I'm a want-to-be member, but I do work in real estate and understand timeshare pricing. For a quick solution, go to the end. For the long answer, read on....

The owner of the timeshare can only sell a specific unit for 52 weeks. Any more, and he has sold the same "time" to two different people, which equals jail time. I haven't done the math, but to make it simple, assume a two-bedroom averages 30 points per night all year. This means they can sell the year for 365 x 30 = 10,950 points.

Now, if they do that, and find that every owner wants the week in Christmas, they would have to make that week more expensive. But if the price of this week goes up, then the total points charged for a year will exceed the 10,950 limit. Therefore, they have to decrease the points charge for other weeks. Disney evaluates the usage over the year, and will make one month more expensive, while decreasing a different month, so that the average occupancy over each month is about the same. If they havn't had to change this in 7 years, then they are doing a good job.

However, to solve your "I need a point problem", I'd just buy 15-20 points real cheap this year, and put them in your bank. You'll draw one down each year and won't have this problem again until 2018.

 

[CarolMN]

The OP does not have a "permanent" point problem that requires renting or buying more points (assuming he continues to go once per year about the same time and always in a one bedroom). At most, IMHO, he might lose 3 points of this year's allocation (if he is past the banking window). From now on, he can just borrow and bank as appropriate and he'll be just fine.

Some years he'll have a few points to bank and others he'll need to borrow a few. If he banks and borrows, I can't see that he'd ever have to skip a year to "catch up".

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by daddiojiggy
is that carved in stone.'the total points cannot change for the year'.ever?

The points can change somewhat every year. This is simply due to how the weekends and seasons fall. This can easily vary the same trip a few points each year. Maybe 5 or less most years but upwards of 20 some years if you're trapped into calendar days rather than a specific week or if you get trapped by Easter.

They can also reallocate the points. That might mean that what you want may go up even if what someone else gets goes down. With the one time they've done this so far, the points increased by 16% for Adventure season and went down by a much lessor amount over the rest of the year. While the overall stayed the same, if you bought to go for a few weeks every Sept of Jan, you were sure out of luck. I doubt you'd care if someone else's vacaction was less points.

To me that means that you should take this into account when you buy. If one is looking at enough points for a 2 BR Magic or premier season for a full week, you likely don't need a cushion of points. OTOH, if one is looking at a smaller unit or less than 7 days (avoiding weekends) or off season; a few extra points are in order when you buy. How many depends on specifics.

 

[RobDoc]

Originally posted by daddiojiggy
is that carved in stone.'the total points cannot change for the year'.ever?

The total number of points sold for the resort cannot change (DVC cannot decide to sell another 10,000 points at a resort unless they produce sufficient rooms to cover those points, as just happened at BWV with the rooms available from the sales center and as happened at OKW when they added 3 buildings where the sales center was originally located).

DVC has retained 2-4% of the total (depending on resort) to cover maintenance loss and to cover minor point discrepancy from year-to-year as Dean describes (2004 has an extra day in Feb, some years will have more weekend nights). But, other than these issues, the number is basically fixed. The only way to change any point needs is to raise some nights and lower others and, as already stated, this has occurred only once- at OKW in 1996. We now have point charts thru 2005- so we will have had at least 10 years without further changes to the point needs.