“It’s for your safety.”

[AndreaA]

That wasn’t the only camera. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion.

It’s not my opinion, it’s the facts of the case as stated by law enforcement. I mean you’re entitled to disbelieve THEM I suppose?

Really it’s neither here nor there. Disney is taking a situation which even they do not have a full understanding of, and which has almost NO chance of being recreated in a Disney Resort (not only because it’s an extraordinarily rare occurrence but because the LV resort and music festival set-up are NOTHING like any Disney Resort) and using it to implement a faulty policy.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

He had cameras, wires, over 20 guns, computers set up...but obviously everyone is entitled to believe what they want.

I’m getting at what I said. Everyone has a right to their opinion. If you think he set them all up moments before then that’s your opinion. What are you getting at?

I didn’t say you did? That just seemed to be what was being questioned. Just a miscommunication I think.

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Yeah I'm thinking you read into something that I didn't even said hence why I was confused when you said "obviously everyone is entitled to believe what they want." and "Everyone has a right to their opinion. If you think he set them all up moments before then that’s your opinion."

Really all my point was after the security check is done or housekeeping as come you're in the clear until they come next (suspicious behavior excluded).

For instance if you had housekeeping come at 10am one day. You would have until something like what 8am (I don't know what time housekeeping starts but using 8am for my example) the next day to do what you wanted without someone coming to check on your room.

For instance if your security check occurred at 8am one day you would have until 8am the next day to do what you wanted without someone coming to check on your room.

The policy is just once per 24hours.

I should also mention that guests with dogs schedule their check which means if schedule conflicts arise it could be more than 24hours between checks.

 

[Disneylovingmomof2]

It’s not my opinion, it’s the facts of the case as stated by law enforcement. I mean you’re entitled to disbelieve THEM I suppose?

I didn’t know they published an in detail timeline of when he set everything up. Most recent thing I read was he spent majority of the day in his room on 9/29 and then brought four more suitcases to his room on 9/30. There were cameras in his room as well as the hallway.
He had 18 suitcases in his room by 9/30. Is that normal?

 

[marcyleecorgan]

Has ANYONE figured out the secret to checking in with security, before they check in with you???? I have no problem with them checking out my room at any other point, aside from us trying to relax in the room!

I'm hearing some people get busted in on during naps, some people get a security visit within minutes of talking to housekeeping (???), some people are getting a free pass because they have dogs... I'm so confused and I just want to know how Disney can provide a magical experience for me again. Having any thoughts in the back of my mind concerning whether "we have passed security inspection today" is NOT A VACATION!!!!

 

[aboveH20]

The highlight of my year is my annual solo trip to Disney.

I appreciate this topic being brought up as it has given me a chance to think about what I would do in a similar situation.

I will (grudgingly) open the door and then stand in the doorway using my back to hold the door open, ready to call out for help if necessary.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I didn’t know they published an in detail timeline of when he set everything up. Most recent thing I read was he spent majority of the day in his room on 9/29 and then brought four more suitcases to his room on 9/30. There were cameras in his room as well as the hallway.
He had 16 suitcases in his room by 9/30. Is that normal?

Well according to the hotel representative all interactions appeared normal to them. Now on the number of luggage..what would the hotel do about that? Would they have searched their belongings?

Let's use the present situation with the parameters of a single person:

I drive my rental or personal vehicle onto property. I have 16 suitcases in my vehicle. I check in and go to whereever. Next day I get housekeeping or a security check occurs. I can now go to my vehicle carting up the suitcases whether in stages or all at one time. More than likely the only people who will see me will be other guests..but would they know that I have no one else with me? If I do it after dark has set in it's possible it could be less known depending on how many people are out and about.

Also 16 is how many he brought but that isn't how many someone else could choose to bring. 1 suitcase can still contain items.
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Now also consider that there is a chance that it could be more than one person; probably less likely given the majority of how situations play out but still possible.

My husband and I went to WDW in September with 1 large suitcase, 1 medium suitcase, 1 small suitcase, a backpack, and 1 carry on sized bag. The medium suitcase only contained food and drink items because we knew we were going during Irma. Replace the food with other items and there ya go.

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It is possible still for something nefarious to occur under 24hours.

 

[Disneylovingmomof2]

Well according to the hotel representative all interactions appeared normal to them. Now on the number of luggage..what would the hotel do about that? Would they have searched their belongings?

Let's use the present situation with the parameters of a single person:

I drive my rental or personal vehicle onto property. I have 16 suitcases in my vehicle. I check in and go to whereever. Next day I get housekeeping or a security check occurs. I can now go to my vehicle carting up the suitcases whether in stages or all at one time. More than likely the only people who will see me will be other guests..but would they know that I have no one else with me? If I do it after dark has set in it's possible it could be less known depending on how many people are out and about.

Also 16 is how many he brought but that isn't how many someone else could choose to bring. 1 suitcase can still contain items.
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Now also consider that there is a chance that it could be more than one person; probably less likely given the majority of how situations play out but still possible.

My husband and I went to WDW in September with 1 large suitcase, 1 medium suitcase, 1 small suitcase, a backpack, and 1 carry on sized bag. The medium suitcase only contained food and drink items because we knew we were going during Irma. Replace the food with other items and there ya go.

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It is possible still for something nefarious to occur under 24hours.

I agree completely that something bad can happen in 24 hours and that it only takes one gun to do damage. I do however think that there were signs there regarding LV and I know that’s just one situation but the thought of us as a society just continuing to do things the same way after these types of incidents are becoming normal really bothers me. Perhaps this new policy will act as a deterrent. Maybe not, maybe there is a better way for Disney to go about this, but at least they’re doing something.

 

[Disneylovingmomof2]

I agree completely that something bad can happen in 24 hours and that it only takes one gun to do damage. I do however think that there were signs there regarding LV and I know that’s just one situation but the thought of us as a society just continuing to do things the same way after these types of incidents are becoming normal really bothers me. Perhaps this new policy will act as a deterrent. Maybe not, maybe there is a better way for Disney to go about this, but at least they’re doing something.

Regarding the luggage I wouldn’t have searched it personally if I was an employee but 18 suitcases...I would have escalated it for sure. Huge red flag.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I agree completely that something bad can happen in 24 hours and that it only takes one gun to do damage. I do however think that there were signs there regarding LV and I know that’s just one situation but the thought of us as a society just continuing to do things the same way after these types of incidents are becoming normal really bothers me. Perhaps this new policy will act as a deterrent. Maybe not, maybe there is a better way for Disney to go about this, but at least they’re doing something.

I can agree with the sentiment but there's sorta a danger in false sense of security here. Majority seem to agree it's more about liablity. Doing something as the rationale isn't enough really. You need to weigh the perceived pros with the perceived cons in anything you're doing. Sorta related sorta not but when the government shut down people were saying in a thread that the two sides weren't moving an inch. And my opinion was I don't want just anything passed just to say one side gave an inch. I have the same opinion here. I don't want Disney to just do something if their goal is to make it safer. I do understand if they just do something if it's to prevent or mitigate future lawsuits as that's a legal matter.

In this case they are not consistent, there's plenty of holes in their policy (scheduling, quick peek, using housekeeping in lieu of security, are the CMs used for the security staff qualified members of a security team?, etc), plus the opportunity still lies wide open after the check or housekeeping is done. It's a lot more like showing they have something in place in case of a lawsuit. As I said in a different thread. If something were to happen with their policy in place for those who have the viewpoint of it being safety and they feel safer (and I do get feeling safer I'm not going to negate someone's viewpoint on their own personal feelings about safeness) it would be going back to square one on that viewpoint.

Regarding the luggage I wouldn’t have searched it personally if I was an employee but 18 suitcases...I would have escalated it for sure. Huge red flag.

I would too but there's a limit to what people consider no red flag and red flag. And that limit is subjective. I think most would say the number he had was excessive but it doesn't take that many suitcases to carry something in it to do harm.

 

[larsonb74]

I wonder what will be the action/response if and when guest feels threatened enough by someone entering and uses mace or pepper spray on intruder (room checker). I know there are quite a few men/women out there that travel with this daily.

 

[skyblue17]

Has ANYONE figured out the secret to checking in with security, before they check in with you???? I have no problem with them checking out my room at any other point, aside from us trying to relax in the room!

I'm hearing some people get busted in on during naps, some people get a security visit within minutes of talking to housekeeping (???), some people are getting a free pass because they have dogs... I'm so confused and I just want to know how Disney can provide a magical experience for me again. Having any thoughts in the back of my mind concerning whether "we have passed security inspection today" is NOT A VACATION!!!!

Seems like the secret is to just allow housekeeping instead of opting out. I have to admit I don't see how allowing people to do your chores for you is worse than the anxiety some are having about this.

 

[2DisPrincesses]

Seems like the secret is to just allow housekeeping instead of opting out. I have to admit I don't see how allowing people to do your chores for you is worse than the anxiety some are having about this.

So, let me get this straight. They’ll give me a gift card if I choose to opt out of housekeeping, but in return, I will have security knocking on my door to search my room?!?

 

[skyblue17]

So, let me get this straight. They’ll give me a gift card if I choose to opt out of housekeeping, but in return, I will have security knocking on my door to search my room?!?

I guess? I have been reading this thread and I can't tell you exactly which hotels have the security policy active OR the housekeeping gift card program but from what I understand, neither are happening at all properties.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Seems like the secret is to just allow housekeeping instead of opting out. I have to admit I don't see how allowing people to do your chores for you is worse than the anxiety some are having about this.

I simply don't require housekeeping everyday. I'll be honest my level of concern isn't as high as others but I get the concern. I'm interested in how this policy is implemented over time.

When I have housekeeping I want to clear off the bed, I want to gather my errant shoes, socks, random clothing, have enough room on the vanity for replacement of toiletries and ensure the bathroom isn't bad. In other words I don't want housekeeping to walk into a disaster zone. I'll adjust that and ensure I prepare the room for them if I determine the level of annoyance is greater with that versus a security check.

I know there are people who live by housekeeping everyday but not everyone is like that. It still doesn't solve the issue when someone is in the room all day which happens for a variety of reasons (down day, sick day, too tired to just move day lol).

 

[2DisPrincesses]

I guess? I have been reading this thread and I can't tell you exactly which hotels have the security policy active OR the housekeeping gift card program but from what I understand, neither are happening at all properties.

We’re staying at POR in a few months and I know the’re doing the housekeeping gift card. I was planning to take advantage of it, but I might not now...

 

[AFwifelife]

Seems like the secret is to just allow housekeeping instead of opting out. I have to admit I don't see how allowing people to do your chores for you is worse than the anxiety some are having about this.

For me at least, I don’t turn down mousekeeping. I clean all day every day so it’s nice to not be in charge of some chores. It does make me concerned though from reading these reports is if you decline mousekeeping on a certain day because you are napping, still getting ready, whatever, that security is alerted and you have someone banging on your door ~ 1 hour later or even less.

 

[chicagoshannon]

I guess? I have been reading this thread and I can't tell you exactly which hotels have the security policy active OR the housekeeping gift card program but from what I understand, neither are happening at all properties.

The security checks are happening at all properties. The gift card instead of housekeeping is at Pop century and maybe other values (not sure).

 

[skyblue17]

I simply don't require housekeeping everyday. I'll be honest my level of concern isn't as high as others but I get the concern. I'm interested in how this policy is implemented over time.

When I have housekeeping I want to clear off the bed, I want to gather my errant shoes, socks, random clothing, have enough room on the vanity for replacement of toiletries and ensure the bathroom isn't bad. In other words I don't want housekeeping to walk into a disaster zone. I'll adjust that and ensure I prepare the room for them if I determine the level of annoyance is greater with that versus a security check.

I know there are people who live by housekeeping everyday but not everyone is like that. It still doesn't solve the issue when someone is in the room all day which happens for a variety of reasons (down day, sick day, too tired to just move day lol).

I don't either. We didn't have it during my last stay (which I wouldn't do again, but that's a different matter). My suggestion is just that if you are anxious about the security checks, it's probably easier to worry about a few errant socks than worry all day about being disrupted at a time that is going to incovenience you way more than picking your sweater off the floor might. And you're right that it doesn't solve the rare exception of someone who doesn't leave their room at all, but chances are those people are few and far between.

We’re staying at POR in a few months and I know the’re doing the housekeeping gift card. I was planning to take advantage of it, but I might not now...

Does POR have this security policy? From what I could tell, it was mostly at deluxe hotels at the moment, though it does seem like that can change pretty quickly, if the history of this is thus far is an indication.

 

[Tigerlulu]

This is what I will instruct my daughter to do and what I will do if this nonsense isn’t resolved by July.

I actually would not suggest this. Opening the door to a stranger gives a stranger who is up to no good the upper hand. While you might be anticipating stepping outside for your safety, he's already prepared to rush into the room pushing you with him to attack.

I've never been in any sort of attack/abuse/harassment situation but I've definitely had an opportunity to be. As a woman every time I walk outside, through a parking lot, through a mall, open a door, get into my car, etc, I am aware of the moments I'm most vulnerable and don't let my guard down. I don't open doors for strangers. Period.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I don't either. We didn't have it during my last stay (which I wouldn't do again, but that's a different matter). My suggestion is just that if you are anxious about the security checks, it's probably easier to worry about a few errant socks than worry all day about being disrupted at a time that is going to incovenience you way more than picking your sweater off the floor might.

Agreed that's why I said the below

I'll adjust that and ensure I prepare the room for them if I determine the level of annoyance is greater with that versus a security check.

And you're right that it doesn't solve the rare exception of someone who doesn't leave their room at all, but chances are those people are few and far between.

If you're planning a resort day you may not want housekeeping to come in. If you're sick or just really tired you may not want to have housekeeping to come in. Those mean security check.

In order to not have security check you've got to let housekeeping in. I don't honestly think that's it's a rare exception for a person to have a day where they don't want housekeeping to come in because they are in the room or will be coming and going in the room all day. At that point it brings it back to the person reviewing if the security check is more of an issue then working in housekeeping. There are also people who do resort stays but not park days type vacations. But TBH it's a lot of things you've now got to consider in your vacation. I think that aspect alone has heightened the concern or anxiety or annoyance/irritation for folks. It's just more stuff to work out and think through and schedule, etc.