young children running off

sl_underwood

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How do I keep my child from running off. He does this just to see if we are following and treats it as a game. Last night, he let go of my hand in a parking lot and scared me half to death. Thankfully I caught him instantly and held on tight. I am so worried he will run and be lost in Disney World. Friends have suggested I just not follow but I cant imagine doing this. He has fear of being abandoned and I cant help but think it to be unsafe, any other suggestions?
 
I am heading there next week and My son who is 3 1/2 will have a harness on him. I used to think people who did that to thier children were crazy, Then my son wandered away at an amusement paek this past summer. He was missing for 20 minutes. It was the worst 20 minutes of my life. Thank God he was okay, just a little excited and curious. My husband and I agree, if he is walking-he will be in a harness. Better safe then sorry!
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Well, depends on where. In a parking lot, that always got a small swat on the hand or bottom along w/a firm NO. Nothing that hurt but enough to get their attention.

But in a store, park etc. You bet I let them get "lost". I always knew where they were but I wouldn't chase after them. I'd let them keep going until they started to panic or cry. If they have a fear of getting lost the will stop running away when they see that you aren't going to play the game and that they will get lost.

I will say my daughter was much easier. All I had to do was say "Mommy needs a hug" and she would come running back and give me a hug. My son on the other hand......let's just say he's been "lost" quite frequently. He's even been truely lost a few times too.

Now that being said, I would use these techniques before going to Disney. I would never intentionally let them get lost someplace like Disney.
 
we harnessed our DD in WDW and loved it, only issue was the MAJOR FLAK and horrid looks we got from others about her.........oh the comments we had to endure from others.....ack, but we loved it and it worked well for two trips:worship: :cloud9:
 
I have used a hand harness before as a backup when they were toddlers. We hold hands but then it was there in case she let go unexpectedly. Some harnesses are stretchy I recommend the stretchy ones as they get smaller when they are closer and then they have a bit of a warning when they are nearing the end rather than just an abrupt end.
 
I thought my DD would wander off or take off I should say when we were at WDW last summer because she always did this at home in stores. I bought one of those backpack looking harness from Target and took it on the trip with me. But we didn't need it. She seemed intimidated by the crowds and wanted to stay next to us. Also, it was late June and so hot..she'd rather sit in the stroller. So we returned the harness when we got back. Didn't even have to open it. I think with my DD the harness & strap would have MADE her take off like it was a game.

I'd take one and keep the receipt in cas you don't need it and want to return it. Make sure you have it with in the parks. Should something like that happen then use the harness. Just do what you feel is safe for your child and don't mind what others think. It'll be there if you need it.
 
We've differed with each kid- we used wrist reins with eldest daughter as she never wandered intentionally but when there are crowds/traffic it's not worth the risk, it was more of a back up to holding hands. Same with our youngest daughter, our eldest son however was/is a wanderer and a fast bolter as a toddler too, we used the backpack-reins system with him, he thought he had his own bag, we knew we had a hold of him when needed and it worked great. In fact (after my thread on babywearing in the parks yesterday) we'll be taking one for our youngest son, along with the baby carrier and buying a cheap stroller when there.
 


What kinds of discipline techniques have you tried for this so far (that I'm assumiing haven't worked)? I see on your signature you have a 4 year old...is this the one with the issue? Obviously a 4 year old is old enough to understand 'we are not playing a chasing game nor do we ever in a parking lot or when we are out of the house/yard - so the rule is to stay with mommy/daddy in those situations'.

If my 4 year old did this I would start with - no TV for the rest of the day. Then if it happened again, it would be NO TV and no computer.....Then it would be NO TV and no computer and no snacks.....and so on until he GOT it that you can't keep doing that or eventually you'll just be sitting there for the rest of the day with NOTHING to do and nothing fun in front of you. You could try this adjusted for your ds's likes - start by taking something 'pretty big' away for a day on his list of likes - then, if it doesn't work - go for the 'biggie' - whatever he likes the best, and go on from there. I would recommend getting this done before a trip to WDW as obviously you don't want to take all fun things away on a vacation. But I would still specify on the trip that the 'rule' of staying with parent and not running off still applies at WDW and that he will have consequences if he runs off (vacation or no - I still discipline when needed and if safety is a concern (which running off at WDW DEFINITELY is) - I would certainly enforce it even in the middle of the park) - I would make mine sit out for one ride (while dh and sibling go on it so that he knows he's missing out cuz of his behavior) if it happened and see if that fixed it.

Best of luck - again, my advice is to address this BEFORE your trip as much as possible.
 
The child in question is my 4 year old. We have had him one year and are currently in the process of adopting him through foster care. He is developmentally delayed (developmental age around 2). He sees the running off as a game, he giggles and laughs and wants to be caught. He truly doesnt understand it can hurt him. He doesnt understand most forms of punishment. He sees time out as abandonment and just sits there frozen in fear. Right now we use mostly praise and redirection and timeouts sparingly. I truly dont believe in hitting my children. They were subjected to far to much hitting before they came to me. I have never had a child this young and my older girls were developmentally old enough to understand when I explained why we dont do these things. I really would like to hear how others handle these issues especially in a place like Walt Disney World.
 
I like the backpack harness idea. He can keep "his" things in the backpack that he might need/want throughout the day (a special toy or blanket, a snack) but you get to hold onto him (I believe there is a buckle in front - make sure he can't undo it easily - if he can use some twine to tightly tie the two back pack straps together, tie it so you can't undo it if necessary and cut it each time. A ball of twine would be easy to bring around). Have him get used to it before hand a bit though. This seems a bit more age appropriate than the regular harness (which I used without abandon when my child was 2 1/2 and wanted out of the stroller and don't fault any Mom for doing it at any age!). I got some awful looks and then ran into a Mom who had her son in the same thing and we smiled and talked for a minute about what a life saver they are. The backpacks though are fun, fuzzy animals so your son might really like this.
Good luck with your trip and your adoption process.
~Christy
 
Hello- replied above about the different reins etc we have used but reading your follow up post realised I entirely forgot to mention how we deal (rather than just what we use)

My eldest son (our "wandering-bolter") is 4 almost 5 (call him ds5 on here as he'll be 5 when we travel) and he is dyspraxic, very, very bright boy however due to the dyspraxia he finds registering instruction and recall quite challenging, plus he's easily distracted, very bouncy (we affectionately refer to him as a "tweaker" because he's constantly on the move- if he's sat down his feet have to twitch, he flaps when he runs, if he stands still he's dancing on the spot) he's alot of work compared to the other 3 (and compared to all other boys his age we've met/socialised with and in the extended family). With him we used to back pack when we was age 15months to around 2.5ish (and then in exceptionally crowded places) - however reading your story you didn't have the luxury of knowing your son during that stage of his life and are having to teach these things later on.

We're a hippy household- not other phrase for it, we're non-physical discipliners (which often leads some people to assume, non-physical discipline= no discipline, which i assure you isn't the case) and so with his elder sister we'd always been able to talk, reason and see results (she's now 10 and is fabulous) but ds5 was more of a challenge- you can talk to him, he does understand it, he does take it in, and then his brain locks it away in a dark room which he occasionally stumbles into I guess (common issue with dyspraxia). He's nearly 5 as i say and now he knows he holds hands (even though his sister who is a year younger doesn't have to unless in a crowded place) For us it's taken alot of patience, alot of willing to reiterate oneself, alot of willingness to understand how he sees the world- it's very different for a dyspraxic child (alot of people hear dyspraxia and automatically think it's just co-ordination issues, it's not it's an entire multitude of issues all making up the condition- emotional, neurological, physical). He reacts differently to noise, social situations, physical challenges all alot different to us. He has very little reasoning of danger- he understands what is bad and will hurt but doesn't actually make the association it still might be a danger to him. It's made parenting him so very, very different to the other 3. Have you tried posting over at the disABILITIES board? I've been taking a read over there and alot of info.

With the wrist rein for my older girls when they were small we told our oldest she needed to take care of grandad or he would wander- she was a bright child and thought he genuinely might if she didn't keep a hold of him LOL With the backpack our son thought he just had his own bag- it worked well.

I would say you sound like you are doing a tremendous job adapting to his personal needs already so I really wouldn't change your methods just for one vacation, you can deal with the issues as a wider picture, before, during and around the vacation- i really don't think you or he needs the pressure of the deadline of the vacation to be out of old habits for. It will come in time, DS5 took alot more effort to get to take the same instruction his siblings did from the first time they were told but he is getting there.

I did worry when we first used the backpack about people staring and then I thought about it- they'd stare alot more if i were the lady on the news who lost her little boy, they'd stare alot more if i were the lady on the news whos little boy ran into traffic. Not all kids need them but each child is so very different, especially with children with special needs, that you just have to do what suits you as a family and ignore the people who stare because lets face it- you'll probably never see them again in your life.
 
Thanks so much for your response. I suppose we to would be classified as a hippy household. My son is also very bright, just didnt start developing until we got him. Before that he spent 18+ hours a day locked in a room with a bottle and a television and the rest of the day living in fear of what moms bfs might do to him. He didnt speak at all when he came to live with us and was developmentally less than 1 year. I did post on the disabilities board, I have found myself posting there often lately. It is full of some very supportive individuals. I figured the double post would provide even more feedback and I think some part of me wanted to hear other moms say the leash was okay.
 
Congratulations on the adoption!:goodvibes It sounds like your family and your son are very blessed to have found each other, and I wish you all the best.

Does he like riding in a stroller? There is so much walking at Disney, and also depending on how hot it is, that may be a good solution for much of the time. I wouldn't hesitate to use whatever harness works best for you. You've gotten some great advice here. Safety first, and it's so easy to lose sight of a child in a big crowd. Nothing is scarier than even a moment of not knowing where your child is!

Have a wonderful trip!
 
The child in question is my 4 year old. We have had him one year and are currently in the process of adopting him through foster care. He is developmentally delayed (developmental age around 2). He sees the running off as a game, he giggles and laughs and wants to be caught. He truly doesnt understand it can hurt him. He doesnt understand most forms of punishment. He sees time out as abandonment and just sits there frozen in fear. Right now we use mostly praise and redirection and timeouts sparingly. I truly dont believe in hitting my children. They were subjected to far to much hitting before they came to me. I have never had a child this young and my older girls were developmentally old enough to understand when I explained why we dont do these things. I really would like to hear how others handle these issues especially in a place like Walt Disney World.


That definitely complicates this issue. It will likely take a lot more time and patience to get it to register that this is wrong, with his developmental delays. So, even more important to make sure that he stays safe at WDW. i would second the stroller idea. If you start talking about it now - and going through the park maps or seeing the rides online - all the while mentioning 'and boys your age get to ride around in a really cool stroller like a prince'. Even get on the threads with stroller pictures - show him the pictures of the rented ones (if you would rent) - so that he can get a picture in his mind of 'at Disney World, I will be the 'lucky' one riding in a stroller'.

And for times that he is out of the stroller, the harness idea would work. Whatever works to keep him safe is key - no matter what kind of looks you get. Here too, you might want to try out the harness a few times beforehand and talk about how he gets to wear it on vacation - just so he isn't surprised and is expecting it and used to it.

Have a great trip!
 
We too are facing the issue of using a harness at WDW. I always thought they were not necessary. We are taking our dd who is now 32 months old. she was adopted at the age of 21 months and has severe PTSD and some other behavioral issues. She is not physically or emotionally capable of behaving like a "normal" 32 month old at this time. She does not have any stranger danger due to the sever neglect and trauma she had endured. When we are in the parks we will use the harness as dd had a huge trauma relating to being left in stroller and baby chairs for hours on end. We will do whatever we can to keep her safe.

Some people who have not parented these incredible children do not realize that normal parenting does not always work.

Good luck and have a great trip.:cheer2:
 
Funny how walking in those shoes sometimes changes your perspective.

If your child is a "bolter" and a climber a stroller will be asking for trouble, in my opinion. Most four year olds are going to be able to get out of it darn fast, and in the process of getting out, may trip over the stroller itself.

I also wouldn't let him run off - with his history he may have tension between a fear of abandonment and attachment issues where he really doesn't "get" attachment. Feeding into either by letting him "find out what being lost is like" is not best for his development.

I think harnesses are a better option for bolters (I had a bolter), but you do have to be careful with it - and also be aware your son is going to "look" to old for a harness - you get dirty looks when they are two, I'm not imagining it gets better with age. You'll survive the dirty looks - he may not survive darting in front of a parade float. If using a harness, keep the length short (you'll probably have to hold some of the slack in your hand) - this keeps the leash from being dangerous to others - it is also a little more subtle than having a kid walking on a ten foot leash in front of you.

Other advice is to have more adults than children and to make handoffs of children VERY clear. If you are going to stop watching the child to look at something in a shop, do a verbal and physical handoff.

We discovered at Disney that even our bolter didn't need the harness after day one and was happy in the stroller. But on the first day when he was excited and hadn't yet come to terms with how crowded it was - it was a godsend.
 
Hi there! I just wanted to add my $.02 that harnesses and leashes are definately okay!!! I got stares, too, but so often DD said, "do you like my hugging puppy?" to strangers and suddenly their grumpies went away (it was a plush puppy harness -- DD is 2 and speaks bizarrely well for her age and always puts a smile on people's faces)

I was SOOOO anti-harness before I had kids. Then I read a discussion where someone replied to another who likened the harness to a dog leash. She said, "Of COURSE it's like a dog leash. I would never consider walking my dog without it, because he could run into the street and get hit by a car. OF COURSE I will give my kids the same protection!" That really hit home for me (I had a dog who was hit in the street!) and for crowded areas I use one for my lil' runner.
 
I think that people who feel it is ok to make negative comments to strangers regarding using a harness either don't have children or have older children and have conveniently forgotten how it is with small kids.

I plan on using one with my 25-month old in May. He is "all boy" and constantly on the go. Taking extra steps to help ensure his safety is definitely worth the stares / remarks.
 
My 198 month old could use a harness sometimes, but luckily my 168 month old hasn't gotten to that phase yet... :rotfl:

Of course if I could get one to fit my 525 month old husband I'd use one on him! :rolleyes1
 
I would 100% recommend the back-pack harness. My ds is 4 yo and it helped us tremendiously!! He is a bolter, climber, wanderer you name it he's gone! Honestly I don't remember seeing many looks (ok maybe a few) but it doesn't matter, what matters the most is your child's safety! I got the one that actually looks like a back pack and ds kept his autograph book & pen in it. He felt so good being able to carry his own items. And I felt good knowing that he was with us at all times :)

Have fun and congrats on the Adoption!!
 

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