Personally, for us I can not figure out when it would ever be a better deal even when we have 40% off deluxe because we are military. We save over $3000 at a moderate with FD, and we are saving over $2000 at a deluxe. When I figure the 40% off the same room, then add military discount Stars and Stripes ticket because we stay 10 days or more so we don't do the really cheap tickets, but do the military Stars and Stripes, which saves us about $50, then I only have to pay $300 to upgrade my ticket to a DL wdw ap. I then add in the food, we usually find it is a good deal for us as a family. FD always comes out a lot cheaper, so I don't know how people say they ever save with the 30% off. It may be because we are a family of five, which means one more free person and this year we are having her eat as an adult, even though she is still 9, she eats more like an adult not in amount but what is served, she is not a hamburger hot dog kid, she is sushi, veal, lamb, spinish, asparagus, type of kid, so she will waste a lot I'm sure, but she won't be limited to the small kids meal section. It could also be that we stay so long, 11 or 12 days usually because we come from washington. Anyway, that is what I find with our family, and I try hard to figure out the best price, and for us it is FD, this is the first year we actually will get it.