kathylovesdisneyworl
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Anyone here notice if people are tipping the driver if he is handling your bags. I would think so, but I also heard Disney is covering the expense, at least at the hotel that is.
kathylovesdisneyworl said:Anyone here notice if people are tipping the driver if he is handling your bags. I would think so, but I also heard Disney is covering the expense, at least at the hotel that is.
It probably won't even occur to most guests to tip the driver.bytheblood said:I plan to tip . I would do it anyway as they are proving me a service.
Horace Horsecollar said:A motor coach driver is not a sub-minimum wage position like a restaurant server or bellman or valet parking attendant, where the bulk of they pay comes from tips.
Horace Horsecollar said:If a driver assists my family with luggage or does something else that makes the service special, I will tip.
But I doubt I world tip the driver if my baggage is checked through, and the driver is simply in the front of the bus doing his job driving the bus.
kathylovesdisneyworl said:My daughter just got back and used ME to go to the airport. I did not have time to call her, but she said she thought she should tip so she did. She didn't notice anyone else tipping. I wonder since Disney is advertising a free service and that they are covering the tip at the hotel if it is going to hinder the Mears drivers.
localdriver said:My answer would have to be yes.
IMHO Disney would like nothing better than for your tip money to be saved and spent in the parks, netting millions over a years time.
People have heard/read the "gratuities included" loud and clear, but they didn't hear that it "only included bell services for incoming luggage only", nothing is mentioned about drivers, it just becomes an assumption. Drivers aren't the only ones upset. Bellman/women are not happy campers as well, as they are getting stiffed on outgoing luggage as well due to the "included mind set".
Drivers understand that those without luggage probably won't tip much, if any.(even though most will tip a cab driver to take them up to Sea World(no luggage)).
It is a bit depressing when you carry 55 people to the airport, and you have 3 bays full of luggage and you get $0, and you were on time, good ride, videos, and all that. TY TY TY is it.
Let's put it this way, if your favorite "sit down" restaurant gave you a "free" meal of your choice, would you stiff the server? Even though that server gave you the same excellent service as if you had paid for your meal?
It is about the service. That's how drivers make 30-40 pct of their income. Bus Drivers doing this type of work is a tip position and are paid by their employer with that in mind, even though a previous poster thinks differently.
"My thoughts"
granmanh603 said:This does not relate to ME but last time we went down(Feb) we used Mears. You wait til there is a bus to you location and then head to bus they tell you. So called to bus, driver standing next to bus with luggage door open. Stand there for a few minutes, he does nothing, I load bags into bus, he turns around and takes them out and say I 'll load them and tell us to get on the bus. Kinda starts you off on the wrong foot with the idea of tipping someone for loading your bags on the bus.
localdriver said:I agree, that's not what I call "service". I wouldn't tip either.
And LEWISC, I am referring mainly to those carrying luggage. And on the returns there is a lot of luggage. I would say 75 pct have their luggage with them.
The main beef is Disney's statements on it, not the guest. The guest percieves "everything's taken care of".
I would like to see Disney leave the subject alone, and let the guests decide who and what to tip based on service. They will be fair, I've always found that to be true.
When on vacation, we come across hundreds of people per day who provide service to us. I think most travelers try understand who gets tips and who doesn't -- but it's not always clear.localdriver said:It is a bit depressing when you carry 55 people to the airport, and you have 3 bays full of luggage and you get $0, and you were on time, good ride, videos, and all that. TY TY TY is it.
By "previous poster," I assume that localdriver is refering to me. I never wrote that drivers are not a tipped position. In fact, I wrote, "If a driver assists my family with luggage or does something else that makes the service special, I will tip." But I also I wrote, "A motor coach driver is not a sub-minimum wage position like a restaurant server or bellman or valet parking attendant, where the bulk of they pay comes from tips." I think what I wrote is accurate, but I think that's the sentance localdriver was objecting to.localdriver said:It is about the service. That's how drivers make 30-40 pct of their income. Bus Drivers doing this type of work is a tip position and are paid by their employer with that in mind, even though a previous poster thinks differently.
I'm glad that Disney is taking care of the inbound bellman gratuities, and that Disney is telling us about it. That means that we don't to wait in the room until the luggage arrives, or that the bellman is unwilling to deliver to your room while you're out.localdriver said:The main beef is Disney's statements on it, not the guest. The guest percieves "everything's taken care of".
I would like to see Disney leave the subject alone, and let the guests decide who and what to tip based on service. They will be fair, I've always found that to be true.
Horace Horsecollar said:I wouldn't mind seeing a tipping guide in the ME packet, clearly providing guidelines for whom to tip and the customary range (per bag or per person or per adult, as appropriate). That would be a benefit to guests and to those who provide service.
Here's what Disney's Magical Express FAQ (for meeting attendees) says:LIFERBABE said:So thanks for the clarification and if anyone has the official line from Disney regarding what gratuities are included and not included It would be appreciated.
Lewisc said:The value hotels, and maybe the moderate hotels, didn't really have bellhops. I wonder if the bellhops in the deluxe hotels are getting hit. I'd think Disney may have just increased their hourly rate up to, or maybe a little higher than, minimum wage. I doubt they're making as much as they did when they got tips.
Horace Horsecollar said:Here's what Disney's Magical Express FAQ (for meeting attendees) says:
Q: Are Bell Service gratuities included for luggage delivery to my Resort room?
A: Yes, but for the inbound service only. Gratuities are not included if you elect to use Bell Services for luggage assistance when departing.
Disney only addresses bell services in this FAQ. If there's any place where Disney provides more comprehensice tipping guidelines to ME guests, I'm not aware of it.
Disney really has created the impression that Magical Express is entirely free. The behind-the-scenes inbound baggage service is free! The motor coach ride is free! The inbound bellman gratuities are free! The Remote Airline Check-in (for participating airlines) is free! The return motor coach ride is free!
I think localdriver's observations are legitimate. By creating this impression, Disney is sending the message to guests that as long as they're using Magical Express, they can leave their wallets untouched. That has to be hurting the motor coach drivers, even when they provide friendly, attentive luggage assistance.
The right things for Disney to do would either be to publish guidelines that suggest tipping the driver for luggage assistance, or to publish that luggage assistance is free (no tips), and then to work with Mears to make sure the drivers are compensated properly.
Actually, for bags to "magically appear" in the guests' resort rooms, it was absolutely essential for Disney to eliminate the need for guests to tip for inbound bell services. (Otherwise, guests would have to remain in their rooms waiting for their luggage, to tip bell services, who would not deliver to an empty room.) It was necessary for Disney to absorb the cost of inbound bell services gratruities to make the inbound service work. And that's exactly what Disney did. I give Disney high marks for this.localdriver said:Disney need not say anything. People aren't stupid.
But they could say "gratuities for bell services, or DME drivers aren't included in your package"
They could add:
"at your discretion, you may tip your driver directly. Bell services, at your discretion may be tipped directly, or added to your room charges."