cabanafrau
DIS Veteran
- Joined
- May 10, 2006
On the scene, not diagnostically. But with time, we can pretty much make a pretty good guess, and its a pretty educated guess.
Ah yes, more hyperbole. I can play. Are they addicted to the Ambien? Did they kill the neighbor to get it, or was it a handy tool that worked as well as a gun. This is important to the final determination, which medics can usually ascertain on scene.
Choosing to do drugs is stupid. That is a Darwineque event. However, in your situation, it was a depression induced suicide.
But the initial use was done with cognizant coherent thought.
Funny you raise this. I have degenerative joint disease.
Medical History. You see, your talking about scripts.
Ah see, you did it again. You jumped to a conclusion about me without all the information to demonize me and were wrong. Youre consistent. Funny thing is, youre essentially calling me heartless for doing this exact thing. Ironic dont you think?
As I have said previously, my opinion is based on data available. Like you, I have made a presumption here and there. Those presumptions are from scene experience. In addition, it is obvious you dont know what a medic does on a scene like this. Youre jumping to conclusions and are attempting to create situations demonize my stance as a unfeeling person. In each case, I have answered honestly. You seem to be trying awful hard to say I am a bad man. Know what... you can still say it. All I said is youre doing to me what you say I am doing to the victim of the article. You are making a conclusion with minimal information. The word for that still exists.
One thing ES is trained in is what the scene can tell you. Its like a non-technical CSI. When I did my training, some of the exercises were trying to deduce what happened by standing on the spot and viewing the surroundings, or, you can be in the room for 60 seconds and when you exit, they ask you questions.
In the end, drug induced psychosis usually begins with a choice to partake in something harmful voluntarily. Over time, the damage done by recreating in this fashion can create instability. In most cases, this is a slow process of killing oneself. If you wish to destroy yourself, that is your business and I have little sympathy for this.
I dont have to feel sorry for your choice. I do feel sorry for your family, friends, etc who you drag along with you. Harsh? yes. Im okay with that. In this response, you did exactly to me what I did to the victim. There is a word for that.
In my response I did to you what you did to the victim? I asked you questions to understand your perspective. I wasn't saying anything about you at all. Not. At. All.
As for the hypothetical Ambien situation the person has not abused drugs before. I stated using the roommate's or spouse's Ambien as a means of demonstrating they had easy access by virtue of living in the same house, no need to resort to guns, robbery. To be more clear, I was asking whether you felt a chronically depressed person who was not a substance abuser, yet chose to commit suicide by overdosing was an appropriate solution by Darwin's theory or something other.
Sorry, but I'm unable to understand nearly everything else you've written & can't even begin to try to respond intelligently.
I forgot to mention, I actually am quite familiar in excruciating detail w/ what first responders do in many, many cases involving death, auto accidents, fires, etc. I do have some opinions on what you've said regarding some of that, but since I'm not sure I understand much of what you've written there's no point in attempting any discussion about that.