SDFP: CHANGES COMING!! Beware the 7th of June?!

[BuckeyeBama]

If they're really marrying the two systems, then I can't imagine they would let a ticket that hasn't been used for park entrance to make a sdfp at a kiosk, although true it might let you in the app, if they're not using your location as well. It depends how far they're willing to go to lock this down. If they were to use location services they could really lock it down good and tight, by not allowing transfers or new fp from tickets not used at the entrance. But I shouldn't be giving them any ideas huh.

I don't think that this is possible without removing the transfer capability altogether. There are too many valid reason why you may wish to transfer FP+ reservations among your party on the day of a park visit, but before all or any of the party members have entered the park. We are a family of 6 with APs. We rarely enter the parks at the same time any more. Some of us are early risers, and some are decidedly not. We often transfer FP+ among one another because of this. We all end up in the parks at some point. If you paid for the tickets and intend to enter the parks, you should be able to transfer your FP+ instead of losing them when later FP+ for the top rides are no longer available.

 

[wmjeffer]

I know for sure that many people have had no trouble. And the blue Mickey I think was only seen recently by those who were using prebooked FP (for profiles not used to enter) - that's not SDFP. I don't think blue Mickey has been a problem for SDFP.

Oh good! Thanks for easing my mind.

We are crazy enough to attempt AK on the 31st with NRJ FP at 8:40pm. We won't be hitting the park until mid afternoon. Wanted our SDFP for HS that morning.

Now if only they'll open the SR line for FoP on Wednesday. A girl can dream!!

My blue mickey head was definitely for a SDFP made at the kiosk that morning. We were late for the FP - we barely made it within the 15 minute grace period. But, it was the second band I tapped - the first and the third bands were green, which doesn't make sense if the blue mickey was because we were late. I didn't think anything of it until I saw this post! But, maybe there are other reasons it may turn blue? This was just my experience

 

[Christinaxo]

What a bummer! I was so excited for SDFP I hope Disney will let me return the MBs I bought! does anyone know if I can bring them back to the store since they haven't been used?

 

[12jdc]

I am pretty sure you cannot. I believe someone posted earlier that it either says it on the MB packaging or on the receipt.

 

[AngelDisney]

What a bummer! I was so excited for SDFP I hope Disney will let me return the MBs I bought! does anyone know if I can bring them back to the store since they haven't been used?

If you have not linked them, see if you can sell on eBay.

 

[Dixiemom]

WOW I'm so glad we are AK on June 5!!! Hoped to use a SFFP for FOP but if it doesn't work our, it's all good.

 

[ArielSRL]

WOW I'm so glad we are AK on June 5!!! Hoped to use a SFFP for FOP but if it doesn't work our, it's all good.

I doubt there will be any FoP FP available same day but I could be wrong.

 

[Christinaxo]

I am pretty sure you cannot. I believe someone posted earlier that it either says it on the MB packaging or on the receipt.

If you have not linked them, see if you can sell on eBay.

Bummer! it does say no returns but they havent even been opened or anything lol I don't see why we cant return them if they are brand new. I will see how to go about selling them on ebay then.. if not there goes 50$ down the drain

 

[marciemi]

Bummer! it does say no returns but they havent even been opened or anything lol I don't see why we cant return them if they are brand new. I will see how to go about selling them on ebay then.. if not there goes 50$ down the drain

I'll say they are pretty adamant about that. I actually bought 2 in the park and paid for them and when they tried to link they found their system was down and couldn't link to us OR even set them to link for later so they told me they couldn't sell me them because they'd be useless (basically as if we'd stolen them). They tried to refund me the money (as I'd already paid with a credit card) and the system wouldn't allow them to do the return. It took 2 managers (the first of whom insisted to me that I couldn't return them even though I couldn't use them and they couldn't make them work) to finally decide to just give us a cash return from the drawer and "figure it out later" after nearly 45 minutes of attempting to do the return. So I'm pretty sure even if you found a nice CM who would be willing to do the refund that the system simply won't let them. This was in March but I doubt things have changed.

 

[dmband]

For me, I only have used magic bands attached to one account and not linked to my main account for sdfp.
I don't have tickets attached to account 1/bands and only used the in park kiosk.

Clearly more info/details will be available in a month when I travel but for now it seems as though the kiosk may or may not allow me to make a sdfp.
If it does allow me to, it could show blue at the ride and lock my account.

Still worth trying since the account is nothing more then a fake for sdfp, in fact the email on the account isn't even active anymore.

It seems like it would be an easy fix/stop For Disney to apply by not allowing accounts/bands to even book a sdfp if it wasn't scanned at the gate

 

[marciemi]

It seems like it would be an easy fix/stop For Disney to apply by not allowing accounts/bands to even book a sdfp if it wasn't scanned at the gate

That's the part that confuses me as well. They obviously have the technology since if I go on MDE from home it won't let me book a FP without ticket media attached so not sure why they can't have the kiosks check for an active ticket/AP as well, even ignoring the whole "scanned at the gate" part.

 

[Mambo Junkie]

My question is: I have 2 clone accounts (tickets) attached to my MDE through a glitch that IT has not been able to fix. They are not really tickets, they have no fps attached to them, though the original accounts do. Will having these "ghost/clone" accounts showing in my MDE affect the fps I have booked? They are identical, not variations set up in order to get additional fps, and they are a glitch.
Personally, my opinion is that unless you are going during Christmas/New Years, spring break or any other exceptionally popular time, you really don't need fps for more than around 9 or 10 hugely popular rides anyway. If everyone didn't have a fast pass for the attraction, the stand by line would go faster. JMHO.

 

[escapeartist]

Bummer! it does say no returns but they havent even been opened or anything lol I don't see why we cant return them if they are brand new. I will see how to go about selling them on ebay then.. if not there goes 50$ down the drain

 

[ArwenMarie]

I don't think that this is possible without removing the transfer capability altogether. There are too many valid reason why you may wish to transfer FP+ reservations among your party on the day of a park visit, but before all or any of the party members have entered the park. We are a family of 6 with APs. We rarely enter the parks at the same time any more. Some of us are early risers, and some are decidedly not. We often transfer FP+ among one another because of this. We all end up in the parks at some point. If you paid for the tickets and intend to enter the parks, you should be able to transfer your FP+ instead of losing them when later FP+ for the top rides are no longer available.

They don't need to keep the transfer function though? I imagine it is something that could easily be deleted.

 

[otterpop]

Just a few observations regarding ScrapYap's "umbrella thing" analogy and the FP "Change Party" (transfer) option...since there has been previous recent discussion of this I think it's okay to share my observations, but if they violate any DIS or Disney rules, please delete (and Sorry in advance)!

Earlier this morning I made my 60-day FP's for my family of 4; 3 each, each day. In MDE, in addition to my 4 main profiles, I also have 2 sets of 4 phantoms (they each have their own used magic band or card associated with them and are not clones). We also have multiple sets of unused tickets (...don't ask!).

Once I made my main profile FP's, I then went back and for each FP added a set of phantoms, such that I now had a group of 8 profiles all with the same FP's. I then used the "Modify" option to change the phantoms FP's and times such that my set of 3 main profile FP's would be in the morning/early afternoon and my set of 3 phantom FP's would follow, being scheduled for the late afternoon/evening.

The plan is simply the following: when we have used up our original set of 3 FP's on the main profiles, we will then transfer the first FP from the phantoms via the "Change Party" option in the MDE app (which would be FP #4 overall), use that one, then transfer over the next (FP #5), and so on.

With all of that being said, I wanted to test out the "Change Party" option in the MDE app (since I have never used that option) and in addition to ScrapYap's "umbrella thing" analogy, here are a some known observations (please correct me if for some reason I am wrong!) that I missed when doing the above that I think first-timers will possibly find useful:

1a. In order to get FP's for the phantoms, they must first have an unused ticket assigned to them.

1b. Based on the number of days on the ticket, will determine how many days of FP's they can get...a 4-day ticket will only allow 4 days if FP's, an AP will only allow 7 days.

1c. For the 60-day window FP's, to get FP's for the phantoms, there must be at least one profile added to the phantom group that is part of the resort reservation (see ScrapYap's "umbrella thing" analogy in OP and what I did in the above).

2. Once the phantoms have FP's, you can modify (change, delete, add, transfer) just like with any FP.

Now here is where things get interesting as it might pertain to future SDFP and many of the recent posts regarding transferring FP's. Please keep in mind that the below was tested at home, 60 days out, and not in the parks with the original starting point as I described above; my main profiles have 3 FP's and my phantoms have 3 FP's for any given day.

1. If I deleted 1 of my FP's from a main profile (such that they now only have 2 for that day), I could easily select the "Change Party" option for a phantom FP from that same day to transfer that FP to the main profiles (such that they now have 3 FP's again)...this isn't anything new; this is how this feature is supposed to work.

But here's the possible discovery and how it might apply to SDFP. Because I am anal (sorry if I can't use that word!), I like to keep things organized. So, I reassigned the tickets associated with the phantoms back to my original profiles. So the phantoms were now ticketless, but still had their assigned FP's.

2. I could still transfer their FP's using the "Change Party" option to the main profiles successfully!

So the big discovery was that although the phantoms need to have tickets assigned to them to get FP's, they don't need to have tickets assigned to them to transfer their FP's!

I'm guessing that this is potentially how the kiosks will determine to allow if an FP or SDFP can be given is based on wether it has an active ticket assigned to it or not.

I have yet to do/try this, but to potentially expand upon this, is that I could then use my second set of phantoms to make another set of FP's, which then could be used as #7, #8 and #9! In addition, my understating of the #4+ FP's (please correct me if I am wrong since I have never used a #4 FP) is that as soon as I use #3, I can then transfer over #4, use that, then immediately transfer over #5, and so on; you don't have to wait until the FP hour window is done, before you transfer over the next FP. So in theory, you are not limited to 1 FP per hour (except for the original 3); you could use up FP's #4-#9, 2 per hour if you set their reservation times just right...you could literally do a Tier 1 ride 4 times in a row...again this scenario is all under the assumption that you have 3 separate sets of "active" tickets, which only a few idiots like myself would have!

In addition, all of the above is also under the hope that no future changes happen to the "Change Party" option in MDE.

All of the above is a first-time for me, so if any of the pros have any corrections or comments, please let me know and I will revise!

Evan

 

[hiroMYhero]

just a few observations regarding ScrapYap's "umbrella thing" analogy and the FP "Change Party" (transfer) option...

Earlier this morning I made my 60-day FP's for my family of 4; 3 each, each day. In MDE, in addition to my 4 main profiles, I also have 2 sets of 4 phantoms (they each have their own used magic band or card associated with them and are not clones). We also have multiple sets of unused tickets (...don't ask!).

Once I made my main profile FP's, I then went back and for each FP added a set of phantoms, such that I now had a group of 8 profiles all with the same FP's. I then used the "Modify" option to change the phantoms FP's and times such that my set of 3 main profile FP's would be in the morning/early afternoon and my set of 3 phantom FP's would follow, being scheduled for the late afternoon/evening.

The plan is simply the following: when we have used up our original set of 3 FP's on the main profiles, we will then transfer the first FP from the phantoms via the "Change Party" option in the MDE app (which would be FP #4 overall), use that one, then transfer over the next (FP #5), and so on.

With all of that being said, I wanted to test out the "Change Party" option in the MDE app (since I have never used that option) and in addition to ScrapYap's "umbrella thing" analogy, here are a some known observations (please correct me if for some reason I am wrong!) that I missed when doing the above that I think first-timers will possibly find useful:

1a. In order to get FP's for the phantoms, they must first have an unused ticket assigned to them.

1b. Based on the number of days on the ticket, will determine how many days of FP's they can get...a 4-day ticket will only allow 4 days if FP's, an AP will only allow 7 days.

1c. For the 60-day window FP's, to get FP's for the phantoms, there must be at least one profile added to the phantom group that is part of the resort reservation (see ScrapYap's "umbrella thing" analogy in OP and what I did in the above).

2. Once the phantoms have FP's, you can modify (change, delete, add, transfer) just like with any FP.

Now here is where things get interesting as it might pertain to future SDFP and many of the recent posts regarding transferring FP's. Please keep in mind that the below was tested at home, 60 days out, and not in the parks with the original starting point as I described above; my main profiles have 3 FP's and my phantoms have 3 FP's for any given day.

1. If I deleted 1 of my FP's from a main profile (such that they now only have 2 for that day), I could easily select the "Change Party" option for a phantom FP from that same day to transfer that FP to the main profiles (such that they now have 3 FP's again)...this isn't anything new; this is how this feature is supposed to work.

But here's the possible discovery and how it might apply to SDFP. Because I am anal (sorry if I can't use that word!), I like to keep things organized. So, I reassigned the tickets associated with the phantoms back to my original profiles. So the phantoms were now ticketless, but still had their assigned FP's.

2. I could still transfer their FP's using the "Change Party" option to the main profiles successfully!

So the big discovery was that although the phantoms need to have tickets assigned to them to get FP's, they don't need to have tickets assigned to them to transfer their FP's!

I'm guessing that this is potentially how the kiosks will determine to allow if an FP or SDFP can be given is based on wether it has an active ticket assigned to it or not.

I have yet to do/try this, but to potentially expand upon this, is that I could then use my second set of phantoms to make another set of FP's, which then could be used as #7, #8 and #9! In addition, my understating of the #4+ FP's (please correct me if I am wrong since I have never used a #4 FP) is that as soon as I use #3, I can then transfer over #4, use that, then immediately transfer over #5, and so on; you don't have to wait until the FP hour window is done, before you transfer over the next FP. So in theory, you are not limited to 1 FP per hour (except for the original 3); you could use up FP's #4-#9, 2 per hour if you set their reservation times just right...you could literally do a Tier 1 ride 4 times in a row...again this scenario is all under the assumption that you have 3 separate sets of "active" tickets, which only a few idiots like myself would have!

In addition, all of the above is also under the hope that no future changes happen to the "Change Party" option in MDE.

All of the above is a first-time for me, so if any of the pros have any corrections or comments, please let me know and I will revise!

Evan

Evan, for #2, FPs remain active for 1.5 days without a ticket entitlement linked to that Profile. So, in theory, if you choose to experiment/research, you could set this up the day or night prior to your park day.

 

[WizD]

I tried what otterpop tried with the ticketless phantoms. 10 days later and the fastpasses are still showing up under those phantoms.

 

[ScrapYap]

just a few observations regarding ScrapYap's "umbrella thing" analogy and the FP "Change Party" (transfer) option...

Earlier this morning I made my 60-day FP's for my family of 4; 3 each, each day. In MDE, in addition to my 4 main profiles, I also have 2 sets of 4 phantoms (they each have their own used magic band or card associated with them and are not clones). We also have multiple sets of unused tickets (...don't ask!).

Once I made my main profile FP's, I then went back and for each FP added a set of phantoms, such that I now had a group of 8 profiles all with the same FP's. I then used the "Modify" option to change the phantoms FP's and times such that my set of 3 main profile FP's would be in the morning/early afternoon and my set of 3 phantom FP's would follow, being scheduled for the late afternoon/evening.

The plan is simply the following: when we have used up our original set of 3 FP's on the main profiles, we will then transfer the first FP from the phantoms via the "Change Party" option in the MDE app (which would be FP #4 overall), use that one, then transfer over the next (FP #5), and so on.

With all of that being said, I wanted to test out the "Change Party" option in the MDE app (since I have never used that option) and in addition to ScrapYap's "umbrella thing" analogy, here are a some known observations (please correct me if for some reason I am wrong!) that I missed when doing the above that I think first-timers will possibly find useful:

1a. In order to get FP's for the phantoms, they must first have an unused ticket assigned to them.

1b. Based on the number of days on the ticket, will determine how many days of FP's they can get...a 4-day ticket will only allow 4 days if FP's, an AP will only allow 7 days.

1c. For the 60-day window FP's, to get FP's for the phantoms, there must be at least one profile added to the phantom group that is part of the resort reservation (see ScrapYap's "umbrella thing" analogy in OP and what I did in the above).

2. Once the phantoms have FP's, you can modify (change, delete, add, transfer) just like with any FP.

Now here is where things get interesting as it might pertain to future SDFP and many of the recent posts regarding transferring FP's. Please keep in mind that the below was tested at home, 60 days out, and not in the parks with the original starting point as I described above; my main profiles have 3 FP's and my phantoms have 3 FP's for any given day.

1. If I deleted 1 of my FP's from a main profile (such that they now only have 2 for that day), I could easily select the "Change Party" option for a phantom FP from that same day to transfer that FP to the main profiles (such that they now have 3 FP's again)...this isn't anything new; this is how this feature is supposed to work.

But here's the possible discovery and how it might apply to SDFP. Because I am anal (sorry if I can't use that word!), I like to keep things organized. So, I reassigned the tickets associated with the phantoms back to my original profiles. So the phantoms were now ticketless, but still had their assigned FP's.

2. I could still transfer their FP's using the "Change Party" option to the main profiles successfully!

So the big discovery was that although the phantoms need to have tickets assigned to them to get FP's, they don't need to have tickets assigned to them to transfer their FP's!

I'm guessing that this is potentially how the kiosks will determine to allow if an FP or SDFP can be given is based on wether it has an active ticket assigned to it or not.

I have yet to do/try this, but to potentially expand upon this, is that I could then use my second set of phantoms to make another set of FP's, which then could be used as #7, #8 and #9! In addition, my understating of the #4+ FP's (please correct me if I am wrong since I have never used a #4 FP) is that as soon as I use #3, I can then transfer over #4, use that, then immediately transfer over #5, and so on; you don't have to wait until the FP hour window is done, before you transfer over the next FP. So in theory, you are not limited to 1 FP per hour (except for the original 3); you could use up FP's #4-#9, 2 per hour if you set their reservation times just right...you could literally do a Tier 1 ride 4 times in a row...again this scenario is all under the assumption that you have 3 separate sets of "active" tickets, which only a few idiots like myself would have!

In addition, all of the above is also under the hope that no future changes happen to the "Change Party" option in MDE.

All of the above is a first-time for me, so if any of the pros have any corrections or comments, please let me know and I will revise!

Evan

We called those NBFP (Night Before FastPass). A large section of the first post regarding GLFP and NBFP was removed.

Additional Creative Reassigning - Vanishing NBFP
NBFP are Night Before FP. Here's how to get them:

Many tickets can be reassigned. (Obviously not annual passes.) Let's say you have one day left on a non-expiring hopper. You can use that ticket to prebook FP for one day for one guest in your group. You can then reassign the same ticket to another person on your MDE and also book for that person. And a third time, a fourth, etc. etc. The catch is that the FP will disappear (and the glass carriage will turn back into a pumpkin) about 36 hours after the ticket has been removed from an individual's profile. So you can do this the night before your park visit, but not much sooner than that (regardless of resort windows). Each set of NBFP has to be booked separately, of course. So the use is limited and time intensive. You also have to reassign to guests who have MBs to use for accessing the NBFP from the reassigned ticket (since there is obviously only one physical ticket generating all these NBFP). And naturally those guests can't already have a set of prebooked FP associated with their MBs. So you need "blank slate" rogue MBs with no tickets -- the same sort of MBs you need for SDFP. NBFP is SDFP's cousin from the dark side.

Note that if you have an MK only ticket, you can only prebook MK FP when reassigning. It's not going to work for other parks.

Since NBFP can be modified on the MDE (unlike SDFP), they are potentially ideal for transferring. And some people might use one ticket to create FP for a group of six - then transfer them. Generally they only last 36 hours - though last year people reported longer life spans. So you would set it all up the night before to make the transfer work the next day.

 

[elaine amj]

@otterpop that's awesome! I have been trying to figure out how best to do the transfer technique. I have our main profiles tied to my main MDE. Then I have a separate MDE with our alternate profiles - these have non-expiring tickets attached.

Looks like I can no longer use alternate profile FPs without also using the attached tickets to enter the parks.

So my thoughts are:
1. Link alternate and main profiles together as Family &Friends (to get the 60day onsite advantage)

2. At 60 days put, make FPs for main profiles for the morning and FPs for alternate profiles in the afternoon.

3. After main profiles have used (one or more of) their FPs, transfer alternate profile FPs over to the main profiles.

Have I got it right?

 

[ScrapYap]

just a few observations regarding ScrapYap's "umbrella thing" analogy and the FP "Change Party" (transfer) option...

Earlier this morning I made my 60-day FP's for my family of 4; 3 each, each day. In MDE, in addition to my 4 main profiles, I also have 2 sets of 4 phantoms (they each have their own used magic band or card associated with them and are not clones). We also have multiple sets of unused tickets (...don't ask!).

Once I made my main profile FP's, I then went back and for each FP added a set of phantoms, such that I now had a group of 8 profiles all with the same FP's. I then used the "Modify" option to change the phantoms FP's and times such that my set of 3 main profile FP's would be in the morning/early afternoon and my set of 3 phantom FP's would follow, being scheduled for the late afternoon/evening.

The plan is simply the following: when we have used up our original set of 3 FP's on the main profiles, we will then transfer the first FP from the phantoms via the "Change Party" option in the MDE app (which would be FP #4 overall), use that one, then transfer over the next (FP #5), and so on.

With all of that being said, I wanted to test out the "Change Party" option in the MDE app (since I have never used that option) and in addition to ScrapYap's "umbrella thing" analogy, here are a some known observations (please correct me if for some reason I am wrong!) that I missed when doing the above that I think first-timers will possibly find useful:

1a. In order to get FP's for the phantoms, they must first have an unused ticket assigned to them.

1b. Based on the number of days on the ticket, will determine how many days of FP's they can get...a 4-day ticket will only allow 4 days if FP's, an AP will only allow 7 days.

1c. For the 60-day window FP's, to get FP's for the phantoms, there must be at least one profile added to the phantom group that is part of the resort reservation (see ScrapYap's "umbrella thing" analogy in OP and what I did in the above).

2. Once the phantoms have FP's, you can modify (change, delete, add, transfer) just like with any FP.

Now here is where things get interesting as it might pertain to future SDFP and many of the recent posts regarding transferring FP's. Please keep in mind that the below was tested at home, 60 days out, and not in the parks with the original starting point as I described above; my main profiles have 3 FP's and my phantoms have 3 FP's for any given day.

1. If I deleted 1 of my FP's from a main profile (such that they now only have 2 for that day), I could easily select the "Change Party" option for a phantom FP from that same day to transfer that FP to the main profiles (such that they now have 3 FP's again)...this isn't anything new; this is how this feature is supposed to work.

But here's the possible discovery and how it might apply to SDFP. Because I am anal (sorry if I can't use that word!), I like to keep things organized. So, I reassigned the tickets associated with the phantoms back to my original profiles. So the phantoms were now ticketless, but still had their assigned FP's.

2. I could still transfer their FP's using the "Change Party" option to the main profiles successfully!

So the big discovery was that although the phantoms need to have tickets assigned to them to get FP's, they don't need to have tickets assigned to them to transfer their FP's!

I'm guessing that this is potentially how the kiosks will determine to allow if an FP or SDFP can be given is based on wether it has an active ticket assigned to it or not.

I have yet to do/try this, but to potentially expand upon this, is that I could then use my second set of phantoms to make another set of FP's, which then could be used as #7, #8 and #9! In addition, my understating of the #4+ FP's (please correct me if I am wrong since I have never used a #4 FP) is that as soon as I use #3, I can then transfer over #4, use that, then immediately transfer over #5, and so on; you don't have to wait until the FP hour window is done, before you transfer over the next FP. So in theory, you are not limited to 1 FP per hour (except for the original 3); you could use up FP's #4-#9, 2 per hour if you set their reservation times just right...you could literally do a Tier 1 ride 4 times in a row...again this scenario is all under the assumption that you have 3 separate sets of "active" tickets, which only a few idiots like myself would have!

In addition, all of the above is also under the hope that no future changes happen to the "Change Party" option in MDE.

All of the above is a first-time for me, so if any of the pros have any corrections or comments, please let me know and I will revise!

Evan

Keep in mind that electronic doorkeepers are not being set up at the kiosks. You will still be able to book SDFP after June 6th. But you won't be able to actually use the SDFP. When you try to enter a FP attraction, the Mickey head will no longer turn green - because at that point the system is looking for a ticket used for park entry.

My experience is that SDFP can't be modified in any way, including Change Party, on the app or website. So you wouldn't be able to book SDFP at a kiosk, then transfer to your main profile. You could to a donor transfer from a ticketed guest who isn't in the parks - whether a traditional GLFP (grandma's AP) or NBFP (a phantom whose ticket has been reassigned).