sabrinadv1
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OK so after my husband suggested that I already have a great camera and I don't need another one I have decided on new lenses. So now I am shifting gears and looking for lenses. Thanks for all the help.
Havoc, you really make me laugh when you chime in on the 4:3 discussions. It's clear you know little to nothing about them, yet you still make claims based on what you *think* you know. You can't even get the terminology correct. Nor have you ever used a 4:3 or m4:3 camera. Give me a break. You should do what some of the reviewers do and go out and use one for a month or two and then see what you think. You might be surprised, like they usually are.
Can I ask you guys what the main diff between the 2 diff Olympus mirrorless lines are? R their mounts the same? They share sensors correct?
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It only appears to come out of nowhere to you because perhaps you haven't been paying attention to comments that people have made to you about it on numerous other threads.Wow, that came out of no where and is quite rude. Did I say anything bad about 4:3rds? I don't claim to be an expert in them, but I have seen their results, I have limited experience testing them out, I have read extensively.... And the reason I don't have more experience with them, is because I have made an educated choice that it's not the camera for me. (when I go small, I prefer to go really small... or I prefer to stick with a dSLR. That's me, and I appreciate it's not the same choice for everyone).
But what false statement have I made about their pros and cons?
You happen to love the 4/3rds system. Good for you. There is certainly a lot to like about it. But I have done nothing but give impartial objective discussion.
And others haven't read extensively or made educated choices?havoc315 said:I have seen their results, I have limited experience testing them out, I have read extensively.... And the reason I don't have more experience with them, is because I have made an educated choice that it's not the camera for me.
Really, what do you know about color range in the 4:3/m4:3 line? Do you realize that color is actually one of its strong suits, and that many people use it primarily for that reason?havoc315 said:But looking at objective sources, dxomark does rate the K-X image quality, for dynamic range and color depth, superior are the Pentax.
And others haven't read extensively or made educated choices?
You mentioned color depth.
Really, what do you know about color range in the 4:3/m4:3 line? Do you realize that color is actually one of its strong suits, and that many people use it primarily for that reason?
Again, I'm not criticizing the 4/3rds format. It is capable of great results. I'm just saying the results certainly won't be *better* than you'd get with the Pentax K-X.
The great thing about the 4/3rds is size and price, to get even close to a dSLR quality. It certainly is a strong reason to consider 4/3rds.
I don't remember ever saying the OP would get better results with an E-PL2 as opposed to the K-X. I'm also not sure what you mean by DSLR quality. My Olympus E-30 is a DSLR and it shares the same size sensor as the E-PL2, so the E-PL2 must produce DSLR quality images.
I will say that I will most likely get results as good with my m4/3 camera as I could with a Pentax K-X regardless of what DXOmark states.
I think I am going to go with my instincts and get the pl2. I can get a refurbished one with a year warranty for $229. That leaves a lot more room in the budget for more lenses. I wont be selling any of my work its just for me so to me it makes more sense to spend less on the body and get more toys with it . I really want a fish eye lens. I've seen holga lenses that are cheap. Are they any fun to play with? Thanks for the heads up on the sigma lenses they sound exactly like what I'm looking for.
I really don't understand your rudeness. Did I criticize anyone else's choices?
I said that the PL2 would not be a step up in image quality from the Pentax K-X. (I'm not comparing every mirrorless camera to every dSLR.. I was specifically commenting on the OP's options.. her current dSLR versus the mirrorless cameras she was considering).
So ok, let's look at the most respected objective source, DXOmark:
DXOmark rates the Pentax K-X color depth as 22.8 bits. That's better than the PL2, which comes in at 21.4 bits.
In dynamic range, it's not really close -- The Pentax K-X at 12.5 EV, versus only 10.2 for the PL2.
Total image quality.. DXO rates the K-X at 72. The PL2 gets a score of 55.
So yes, I try my best to thoroughly research before I speak. I'm not always right, don't pretend to be. But I try to bring an educated voice to the discussion.
And as I just proved, everything I said was fully accurate.
You also tend to get hung up on the statistics. Stats are great to get an idea of what you might want but far too many people let them play a larger role in the decision making process than they have in the practice of photography.
The Olympus 4/3 line is a traditional DSLR setup using internal mirror box and an optical viewfinder
The m4/3 line which includes the PEN line and the newer O-MD are part of the mirrorless cameras mentioned above. The O-MD does have a built-in EVF while the PEN linup does not.
Both formats use th same 4/3 sensor, which is slightly smaller than an APS-C sensor. m4/3 cameras can use 4/3 lenses with an adapter but 4/3 cameras can not use m4/3 lenses.
I' confused. I don't know why but it seems there r so many diff mounts with mirror less?
Correct. Many different camera manufacturers produce mirrorless cameras. Olympus, Nikon, Panasonic, Canon, Fuji...etc.
So just the mirrorless line. . . both have a 4/3 sensor? but above u saif the PEN and O-MD line are m4/3 so they can use both sets of lens but with an adaptor for the 4/3 lens?
Correct again. The Olympus 4/3 DSLR line and the PEN / O-MD m4/3 line both use the same size sensor but the lens mounts are different.
I think i'm confused cause I shoot Canon so it is a APS-C sensor not 4/3. The Olympus SLR line is a 4/3 sensor not APS-C sensor? correct?
Correct again. Olympus and Panasonic both use the 4/3 sensor, different from the APS-C sensor used by Canon, Nikon, Pentax, etc.
jim
I may be wrong here, but I thought Olympus used micro 4/3, a slightly smaller sensor, on their mirrorless. The same as Panasonic. The 4/3 on their DSLR's is a little bit larger.
JoeDif said:All of the Olympus DSLR 4/3 cameras and m4/3 cameras use the same sized sensor. They have increased the MP's on the newer models to 16MP as opposed to 12MP on the older sensors
Joe so if u was looking at an Olympus m4/3 what should I be looking for when shopping glass regarding mount? Just make sure it fits a micro 4/3 mount? If just talking the new smaller lens. Not traditional glass with an adaptor.
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All of the Olympus DSLR 4/3 cameras and m4/3 cameras use the same sized sensor. They have increased the MP's on the newer models to 16MP as opposed to 12MP on the older sensors
Yes just make sure the lens has a m4/3 mount. Various manufacturers are now making lenses with that mount such as Olympus, Panasonic, Sigma, Lenbaby. Tamron just announced a m4/3 lens but it isn't out yet. Also Samyang make manual focus lenses for m4/3.