Parents of 15 yr. olds, what do you do about this?

I find that by giving my DS time alone, he ends up missing the rest of the family and eventually joins up with us. He'll spend some time alone and come back with wonderful stories. He's gotten his freedom, I'm the "cool" Mom, and everyone ends up happy.
PS When we do this, I always have a PS for dinner and that is non-negotiable.
 
I have 15 year old boy/girl twins. On our next trip in May I'm sure they will want to separate from the rest of us. Myself, DH DS4 and DS2. I don't think they want to spend that much time with the little ones.

We got 2 way radios on our last trip in 2001 and let them go to different rides while we were in the same park.

This time, I think since we are staying at the Poly, I'll allow them to go to EPCOT if we are at MK and vice versa. With the ease of the monorail, I don't have a problem with that.

And they know the cardinal rule is that they have to stick together.
 
My DD has been spending a few hours on her own since she was 13. We have gone to WDW at least once every year since she was 9. So, she really knows how to get around the parks and transportation.

She is also very responsible and I feel comfortable letting her go. I make sure she has a few bucks and she carries her room card key that she can charge on and her AP.
 
Mitch, its really not a matter of trust that I am questioning. We do trust him. I think its a matter of things that could happen or his safety. He's still not an adult, nor is he expected to quite act like one yet. He is still a teenager. That is why I was asking everyone's opinions, especially the ones that have had teens at DW. Thanks.
Jill, I guess I will be one of the few dissenting voices here. I don't think it's a good idea and it sounds like you don't either.

I'm not so concerned about whether HE can be trusted...it's the others that worry me. After all, serial killers, etc can buy tickets, too. I have a 13 yr old daughter and I don't think I would let her be alone at WDW OR 6 flags OR the mall in 2 years. The world is just not what it was when I was 15.

Is there ANY possibility of taking a friend his age? I'm trying to talk my ds into going with us so that her kids-16, and 15-could hang with dd. I think it would be so much fun for all. Anyway, if a friend went with him, I would say yes. But not alone.

Of course, my daddy always said (referring to men's intelligence) 'one boy is a boy, two boys is half a boy and three boys ain't no boy a tall.' ;)
 


unless the laws have changed since I lived in the States, 16 year olds in America can drive? Is that still the case?

If a young person can drive, which involves not only being responsible on the road, but also being trusted to go where they have said they will, and not to just 'take off' and go someplace they aren't supposed to be, then I think they can be trusted for a few hours in WDW.

Bev
 
I figured I should jump in here and post my own personal experiences. I am 21 and have been traveling my parents and alone for years.
At the age 13 I was spending all day in the parks with my siblings (aged 9year old brother, 15 year old brother), we never had one problem or incident. We went from park to park, bought our own meals, went to other hotels for swimming, and anything else we wanted to do.
When I was 15 and a Freshman in Highschool, my cousin and I (same age), flew to florida by ourselves. My parents and aunt/uncle were staying at OKW, the two of us had a room at the All Star. I think I might have seen my parents twice the entire time we were there (5nights).
At the age of sixteen, with a new drivers license, several friends and I spent spring break in Gulf Shores Alabama. Since I live in Michigan this was a real trip. And there was no parents or anyone else we knew.
I spent the summer between Junior and senior year of highschool in Europe ALONE. Once again no problems.
I have also made countless trips to domestice cities (Chicago, NY, LA, Vancouver, Toronto, and many more), and trips to third world countries.
I know that right now my little brother, age 17 is planning a two month trip to Japan. He is spending 3 weeks alone, then my older bro is meeting up with him. You be sure that he will have a great time. I sure they will be times he has to make quick judgments for his safety and health, but he does that everyday.
I have to agree with the folks that said 15 is a short jump to 18. If your kids can't grow up at 15 they won't be an adult at 18. I can also tell you that my friends who were giving responsibilty and respect from their parents are much further along and much more capable than those who were sheltered.
To the people who posted that there are bad people in the world: I say if you can trust your kids for 6+ hours a day in a public school system they are very capable to defend themselves just fine at WDW. The school systems are a far more dangerous place than any that we as adults go into on a regular basis. If you don't believe me I dare you to go to school with your child for a day and see what it is really like. Any "serial killer" or "Kidnapper" is not going to go after a 15 year old male in the middle of Epcot. I have meet allot of interesting people and a bunch of scary looking people. There have been lots of times when I was terrrified of someone just because of a look they gave on a subway, but I have never let anything happen to myself.
To make a long story short I think it works like this: part of growing up is learning how to handle all situations that can come up. I can't think of a better place to do this then WDW. If you did a good job raising your kids, he is more than ready for it.
 
and almost 15 in May
this child is ONLY 14 YEARS OLD!!! I think some of us are giving him a year or more than he really has. My daughter will be 14 in july and there is no WAY she could gallavant around Disney alone.

AND it *is* different than being in your hometown--if she runs into trouble at home, she has a myriad of family friends to call for help.

As for you, R8inbull,
At the age of sixteen, with a new drivers license, several friends and I spent spring break in Gulf Shores Alabama. Since I live in Michigan this was a real trip. And there was no parents or anyone else we knew.
I WOULD NEVER consent to letting my child make these kinds of trips at those ages. I'm glad that you came through unscathed.
I have to agree with the folks that said 15 is a short jump to 18. If your kids can't grow up at 15 they won't be an adult at 18. I can also tell you that my friends who were giving responsibilty and respect from their parents are much further along and much more capable than those who were sheltered.
And it is quite obvious that you are still very young and have no teen-aged children yourself. I bet your perspective will change when you have a 14 year old to be responsible for.

Jill, the upshot here, I think, is that you are uncomfortable with the idea of him going off ALONE (remember, folks, we aren't talking about the son in a group---but on his own), then don't let him. If he's unhappy, so be it. Life is hard.
 


APPARENTLY, I have an opinion on everything this morning...:rolleyes:

If a young person can drive, which involves not only being responsible on the road, but also being trusted to go where they have said they will, and not to just 'take off' and go someplace they aren't supposed to be, then I think they can be trusted for a few hours in WDW.

Bev, let me just say that last year the law in Texas raised the age of driving alone without a licensed adult to 18. Why? Because 16 year olds AREN'T responsible enough to make wise and safe driving decisions...hence the reason insurance is double or more for a teenaged driver. Yes, SOME 16 yr olds are wise beyond their years and prudent in their choices but there are also a lot more than are easily swayed by their peers into making foolish decisions.

Same basis for the drinking age in Texas being raised 20 years ago from 18 back to 21. Being any age...16, 18, 21 or even 40...doesn't give you overnight maturity or wisdom.

I shall be climbing off my soapbox now. No applause, please, just throw Disney Dollars.:jester:
 
Bev, let me just say that last year the law in Texas raised the age of driving alone without a licensed adult to 18.
This is not actually accurate. I'm not the Bev
were talking to but another Bev from Texas:

The Three-Stage Graduated Driver License
Beginning January 1, 2002, anyone under age 18 applying for an instructional permit for the first time must progress through a three-stage system to obtain a driver license. (Changes in the law are italicized.)

Stage 1: Instructional Permit

To obtain a permit, a teen must:

* Be at least 15 years old.
* Obtain parental or a guardian’s consent.
* Have completed or be enrolled in a state-approved driver education program.
* Pass a written test and a vision test.
* Pay a statutory fee.


Once a permit is obtained, a teen must:

* Hold the instructional permit for at least six months.
* Drive with an adult 21 or older (occupying the seat next to the driver) who has been licensed for a minimum of one year.

* Not drink and drive. Any measurable alcohol could result in a two-month to two-year license revocation for drivers under age 21.
* Two violations of failure to drive with adult supervision can result in suspension of the instruction permit for 90 days to one year.

Stage 2: Provisional License

To obtain a provisional license, a teen must:

* Be at least 16 years old.
* Complete Stage 1 successfully.
* Complete a state-approved behind-the-wheel driver education program.
* Pass a behind-the-wheel driving test, overseen by an approved driver education school, or the Department of Public Safety.
* Pay a statutory fee.

Certain restrictions apply during the first six months of a provisional license (for teens under the age of 18).

* Passenger restriction: A teen may not drive with more than one passenger under age 21 unless accompanied by a licensed driver age 21 or older. An exception exists for driving family members under age 21.
* Late-night hours restriction: A teen may not drive between midnight and 5 a.m. unless accompanied by a licensed driver age 21 or older. (Exceptions are permitted for employment, school-related activities and medical emergency.)


A teen is subject to a license suspension of 90 days to one year if cited for two or more moving violations within 12 months.

Stage 3: Full Provisional License

* After six months, provisional licenses are no longer subject to the above restrictions.
* Teen drivers do not have to return to DPS to obtain full provisional licenses.

At age 18 drivers are eligible for a regular, six-year license.
 
How dare you muddy my waters with facts???;)

Ok, I knew I was talking out my butt when I wrote it but I was so hoping nobody would point that out.

But the fact does remain that 14/15 year olds are NOT adults and do not have the intellect, life experience, foresight or judgment to make adult decisions.

What part of Texas, Bev?
 
Originally posted by beansmom
How dare you muddy my waters with facts???;)
What part of Texas, Bev?

I usually use this quote for my errors: "I hate when my well thought out and unresearched theories get shot to h*ll with facts. "

I live in Victoria (half-way between Houston and Corpus). I have two sons still at home who are age 16 and 15 and, believe me, I have to know the latest restrictions for getting Drivers license.

Just a blast from the past but I got my drivers license at age 14 (in 1965.) I was driving before that though. I am *shocked*, *shocked*, :earseek: I tell you, that my parents even considered letting me drive at that age. I never had an accident though.

Bev
 
14/15 year olds are NOT adults and do not have the intellect, life experience, foresight or judgment to make adult decisions.

You bring up a great point that being an adult consists of intellect, life experience, foresight and judgement. However you contradict yourself by stating that 14/15yo are not capable of possessing these attributes. These items are not determined by age, it is life experience that brings adulthood. We all know many adults that we wouldn't trust to watch a pet frog and many teenagers we could trust to watch our houses while on vacation.

And it is quite obvious that you are still very young and have no teen-aged children yourself. I bet your perspective will change when you have a 14 year old to be responsible for.
This stement shows a terrible lack of life experience and maturity on your part. You have no idea the things I am responsible for or where my perspective comes from, the same as I have no idea where your ideas and perspective come from.
 
You bring up a great point that being an adult consists of intellect, life experience, foresight and judgement. However you contradict yourself by stating that 14/15yo are not capable of possessing these attributes. These items are not determined by age, it is life experience that brings adulthood.
I stand behind this wholeheartedly. As Mark Twain said "when I was 14, my father was so ignorant, I could barely stand to be in the same room with him. When I was 21, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned." No, sir/madam, a 14/15 year old DOES not have the life experience, foresight and judgment (a byproduct of the life experience) to make 'adult' decisions. They may possess the intellect--and many do---but they really don't know it all. When you are 14, you meet a girl/boy..they're cute and you give them a smooch. You don't stop to think (like you MIGHT) at age 30, that the kiss will lead to other things, those things might not be very pleasant (Aids, stalking, marriage/divorce) and you might be done irreparable harm by them and you might just better pass because you really don't want to be married to an unemployed alcoholic who picks his teeth with a guitar pick for the rest of your life because his only skill is playing 'Dixie' on a comb and tissue paper.:p Let me also say that I know plenty of 30 (and 40) year olds that act like they just fell off the turnip truck, too.

This stement shows a terrible lack of life experience and maturity on your part. You have no idea the things I am responsible for or where my perspective comes from, the same as I have no idea where your ideas and perspective come from.
Darling, I assure you I've been around your block, way more than once. While I admit that I have no personal information about you, it's an accepted theory that gaining age and life experience enables a person to make better decisions. Hence, you have to be 18 to get married, 21 to drink in some places, 35 to be president. You have to be a certain age to hold certain jobs because of the danger of them. AND having children changes your perspective on what you think is okay for them to do. When I was 16 and 'in love' (for, oh, about the fifth time) I would have thought it was perfectly okay for my bf to spend to night on the couch at our house. NOW, however, I consider that idea to be totally unacceptable (for both my daughter and myself). It was perfectly okay for ME to smoke a little pot when I was 18 but I don't think that my 23, 21 or 13 year old should EVER do it. Because I now know what smoking a little dope COULD lead to for some people. I smoked cigs when I was young---don't want my kids to ever smoke--but it was cool and okay for me.

Anyway, sorry to ramble. But like my dad always told me "honey, I've been where you are (in life); you haven't been where I am." Life almost never takes us where we think we're going.
 
Any "serial killer" or "Kidnapper" is not going to go after a 15 year old male in the middle of Epcot.
As for this (and I swear, after this I'm gonna shut up), no known serial killer put a fake cast on and asked college girls to help him load his skis or whatever into his car until Ted Bundy tried it. But, there is a first time for everything.

4 years ago right here in Texas, a little girl was taken from the front yard...just yards from where her grandparents were sitting...and yanked into a pick up truck in broad daylight---they're still looking for her body.

A teenager was abducted from the park where she was practicing soccer WITH her team---they named the park :Ashley Estell MEMORIAL Park after that.

15 year old males usually aren't abductd and killed but it happened just a few weeks ago right here in Texas.

And serial killers/kidnappers don't usually hunt for prey in casinos but one just happened upon a young girl at a casino a few years ago, took her into the bathroom, raped and murdered her--all while her father gambled a few yards away.

Yes, it is parental responsibility to make sure these things that shouldn't/coulndn't happen DON'T HAPPEN to their kids and that is why MY daughter would not explore Disneyworld, a museum, a shopping mall or even the grocery store by herself. Over protective? Maybe...but I pray that I have a grown daughter to be protective of in a few years. Opal Jo Jennings' grandmother (the one in the front yard) wishes she'd been sitting on the porch in retrospect. Bet the gambling dad wishes he'd left the craps table.

THROUGH. PROMISE. SWEAR. VOW. NO MORE.
 
You do let your daughter sleep in here own room right? Don't your worry about someone climbing a ladder (lindburgh baby) and taking her away?
If a child has been raised properly there is no doubt in my mind that a 14 yo can remove themselves from ANY dangerous situtation.
 
You do let your daughter sleep in here own room right? Don't your worry about someone climbing a ladder (lindburgh baby) and taking her away?
To be fair, I was asked a question so I can answer: Yes, I do think about someone coming in (lindbergh baby) and taking her. It's happened to other children. So, we use a little common sense and keep her window shut and locked. We also keep the drapes closed at night so that someone can't just look in and see that there is a 13 year old female sleeping alone in the room. I do allow her to use her adjoining bathroom without an escort. But I do ask her to walk to the school bus stop with a friend and wait with the group.

If a child has been raised properly there is no doubt in my mind that a 14 yo can remove themselves from ANY dangerous situtation.
Again, I'm sure your perspective will change when you have parenting experience of your own. I am going to assume that you are male because if you were female, you would understand that generally speaking, men are much stronger physically and most can easily out-muscle a woman smaller or their same size. Even my scrawny ex-h was stronger than me. No, a 14 year old, especially a female, cannot remove themselves from ANY dangerous situation. And if that were the case, then how come the bodies of many young, healthy teenage boys were found buried under John Wayne Gacy's house and found in Jeffrey Dahmer's apartment? And, then, where is Elizabeth Smart? Laci Peterson? Elizabeth Smart was raised in a very well-to-do, 'proper' Mormon home by all appearances-surely she should have been able to remove herself. And Laci Peterson is a grown woman just out walking her dog, minding her own business. Even strapping, healhty teenage boys are no physical match for an assailant wielding a gun. Oh, and I was 19 when a friend of my boyfriend's dragged me off to a room and tried to rape me. Thank Goodness he was dumb enough to let go long enough to answer the phone.

Sorry, honey, you lose. Lest you think I hold my kids prisoner, let me assure you that my daughter does leave the house but I always make sure she isn't wandering around alone because, gee, it's well-documented that predators look for the people that have no one near to help them. She attends school, plays outside, goes to amusement parks, movies, performs...has a normal life.

And, gee, if kids didn't fall for the lies that predators tell to trap them, then they wouldn't make videos telling them NOT to helpthe nice man find his lost puppy.

I guess you won't feel the need to warn your kids not to talk to strangers or take candy from them, either, will you?
 
An almost-15 year old alone in a different park? You're talking about a high school freshman? I don't think so.

Kids this age THINK they know it all. One poster has shown by telling us that a 14 year old can remove himself from ANY DANGEROUS SITUATION. That's laughable -- I'm 36, and I wouldn't make such a blanket statement about myself. Unbelievable things pop up every day.

As for kids being "alone" at school -- that argument doesn't hold water. If they ride a bus, they're in the care of an adult driver. In the classroom, they're under the supervision of a teacher. Even if they're "unattended" before or after school, or between classes, there is SOMEONE there to whom they can turn.

Having said that, I'd be okay with a child that age splitting up from the group IN THE SAME PARK for an hour or so WITH a friend if they had some form of communication (walkie talkie or cel phone). Not alone, not in a different park, not for too long.

I think many parents are giving children way too much freedom way too soon, and it's showing in attitudes, grades, and more. 15 is very much still a kid and should be treated and protected like a kid.
 
Mrs Pete,

I love ya. Marry me? Ooops, I guess *Mr* pete wouldn't like it, huh? :D

A voice of reason. How refreshing.
 
Ok, here is my 2 cents....

I think everyone should do whatever makes them feel comfortable, and if you are going to worry the whole time either make it for a very short time or wait until next year.

That being said, I personally do not want my children/teenagers living in fear of doing things on their own. New experiences in small doses help them grow and learn to handle all of the different things that will be thrown at them all thru life.

My daughter was 16 last Sept when we were at WDW. She wanted some time on her own so we allowed her to go to MGM for a few hours. She had her own room/charge key and a cell phone. She also had an wonderful time, when she got back she couldn't stop talking about the different people she met and talked to.

to each his own.....

Denise
 
Here's a thought that might disturb some but may be a comfort to you - Disney parks are DEFINATELY "big brother is watching" kind of places. My littlest once stuck her head through a wrought iron fence at Disney and a very kind security person materialized from no where (I swear they have transporter beams!) to tell us that we should be careful lest her ears bruise and swell and she get stuck. Another time, my kids were on a park bench on one side of a path and I was on another across the path. Again, security was beamed down from the mother ship to be sure that they weren't lost. You've probably heard "the voice" in a dark ride like space mtn. or spaceship earth warning a rider to refrain from a certain activity and wondered if they have night scope goggles. Since your son is a good kid - you're not worried about him engaging in vandalism. The fear then, probably is that he could come to some kind of harm. I suspect that any sign of a scuffle would be noticed or that it would be very simple for your son to make himself noticed - and that help would instantly be on the way. All this to say, I think he would probably be safe on his own. On the other hand, I hang on pretty tightly and knowing that my son was on his own would probably drastically reduce my park quality time. Could one parent manage the younger kids and the other enjoy some quality alone time with your older son who will be leaving the nest soon enough?

My son just got his drivers license this week and drove to school w/ our younger daughter and it has been agonizing for me - I'm learning more about prayer than I ever knew before. So I have great compassion for your inner-termoil. It sounds like you are concerned parents - you'll make a sound decision.
 

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