OT - school supply gripe

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I can't wait for the sales to come out. My DH wishes I wouldn't buy so much, but students need pencils, and sometimes they don't bring them from home. I request, but not require, supplies such as kleenex. I do not give extra credit - I give a thank you.

Do you have a Staples nearby? They had awesome penny sales last week and if you show them teacher ID or Staples reward card you can get 15 of each item instead of the advertised 3. Last week they had penny folders, packs of pencils, pencil cases and pencil sharpeners. I also got bottles of glue for 9 cents each. I can't wait to see the Sunday circular (that's what I'm thinking about on summer vacation: is that pathetic?) :confused:
 
yes..this is the Budget board and thank you for pointing it out to any who may have missed it. You are quite helpful indeed.
What my Point was: we are talking about spiral notebooks that are aroung 10-20 cents at the preschool sales. Why not get her a new one for school (remember-10-20 cents) and let her use the old one at home for assignments and scratch paper. I am not saying go out and buy a 2000$ jacket because the other kids have one. there is a difference. Have a great night and hope that cleared it up for you!

That's what I do.

Honestly, I could never not buy my DD new school supplies every year because just the thought of buying new school supplies makes me giddy. :cloud9: As soon as I get the list at the end of the year I start shopping. It's probably because school supplies are one of the few things I don't feel guilty about buying. Anyway...

I always let her have her old school supplies at the end of the year. They're pretty much gone now. I think all that's left is half of a bottle glue. There isn't any waste and she still gets new stuff. A win/win situation :cheer2:
 
For the teachers on this thread: Thank you for all you do. I work in a school but I am not a teacher so I do get a small glimpse of the challenges you go though daily as well as the GREAT innovative methods of teaching to make learning FUN and interesting. I had some teachers like you and I remember so much that I learned from them...we had fun and learned all at the same time. The teachers that all they did was expect a written report....I hated those classes and could not wait to get out of those classes. My dh and I had a class in jr High together and we still talk about this teacher. We had her for English Literature and she just made this normally boring class so much fun. We will always remember Miss Hopper and this was from 1975!!! If all we had done was sit there and write a report with footnotes we would have probably failed that class.
Thank you again and do not let the high and mighty people that bash teachers get you down.
 
What grade is this? You said HS--High School? In my opinion, that's too childish for a HS project. My dd did something similar for 4th grade, she found it somewhat boring, the assignment was to make a poster of an historical character, using crayons, markers, glue sticks, etc.

When I was in HS we were doing actual term papers, complete with bibliographies, footnotes, etc., had to follow MLA style sheet, served me well for college. I know the teacher doesn't create the assignments, its the school that decides what is done in what grade, you as a teacher really have little control over that. But I feel the project you described to be way beneath what should be expected from high school (assuming hs means high school, perhaps I made an assumption? Could you have meant home school? :confused3 )

The teachers I learned the most from were the ones who used a lot of different teaching methods. Trust me, I've done plenty of term papers, and they certainly have their place, but for a student to learn, they have to be engaged. Teachers who use nontraditional methods are extremely effective. There has been an enormous amount of research to support this. Just because things aren't being done the way they were when you were in school doesn't make them inferior.

It's becoming pretty obvious that you have a huge chip on your shoulder when it come to public education and I think it's clouding your judgment. I'm not saying that we should fall on our knees and start worshiping teachers, but we should be giving credit to those who find ways of truly engaging their students, not just making them sit there like drones.
 
If the binder is so important why don't you buy them then sell them to the students, for your cost, of course? That way you will get exactly what you want. Diid you even consider that you might be compelling some students/parents to run all over town at inconvenient times just to get the exact binder teacher wants, assuming they can find it?

In my district, it is forbidden to sell items to students without it going through the account in the office. Once the office collects the money, they have to send a receipt. With all that is going on at the beginning of the year, this would cause the secretary a major headache.

I am a teacher that requests a few specific items such as the color of the folders. I teach third grade and I have 4 folder for different subjects. This is because when I pass out a reading vocabulary paper and I ask it to be put in the reading folder, I can see at a glance if each student is putting it in the correct folder. Then when I need the students to get it out, they know where it is and I don't have students wasting time hunting for the paper because they put it in the wrong folder.

Except for a few items, like the folders, I am generally thrilled if students bring their own supplies whatever size or brand. I give at least 1/2 of my students their supplies for the year. I do collect the scissors and remaining glue to reuse the next year. I let them take home the crayons and the folders.

Our PTO or school doesn't give us any money for classroom supplies. We can request basic office supplies but don't always get everything we need. I don't need to provide my own printer cartridges but it might be weeks before I get one when I request it.
 
Well now who's painting everyone with the same brush? I can assure you my dh and I don't fit the picture you seem to have of the "typical" parent.

No, I'm not a teacher, but I'm a parent and I see what passes for education today. Must I be a parent to judge teachers? I recently had back surgery, am I not able to judge the doctor as a patient, only if I was another doctor?

My dh and I both have masters degrees, are very well-educated and value education for our children. What I see coming out of the public school system leaves me quite disappointed. We are investigating alternatives, such as private school, home school, etc. My ds has several learning disabilities, I've tried working with his school for 5 years now, all I have is one big headache. I've done everything that could be expected of a parent and then some to work with the school to no avail and finally gave up. Its a crime, when we pay so much in school taxes and then have to resort to other means to educate our child, but that, unfortunately, is the way it is. DS has done so much better once out of the ps system. I'm investigating private schools, I know the quality varies there, too, but at least they won't automatically assume every child with a ld has drug addict sleaze ball s for parents!

Wow, you really have a chip on your shoulder. First the whole issue a couple of days ago about your child being teased about his used bike and now this. Did you change your user name because you sure remind me of another Dis'er who sounds a lot like you who also had a child with LD. Her user name started with a "V." Is that you?

Please try not to be so harsh. Ninety-nine percent of the people are here to help, and not to put others down. Peace out. :hippie:
 
for anyone who questions the methods used in a classroom: Spend some time observing or volunteering in the classroom.

I have had parents question why we do certain things, and after spending a couple of full days in the classroom, it makes a lot more sense to them.

I teach first grade. I still have difficulty with many parents understanding that first grade is serious and important -- they think the kids should do color sheets and listen to stories like they did 30 years ago. It was a shock to me too when I moved to this grade. First grade today is very comparable to what 3rd grade was when I was a child. (minus multiplication).

There are bad teachers like bad workers in any profession. The majority of teachers love their jobs, love children, and enjoy what they do.
 
Wow, you really have a chip on your shoulder. First the whole issue a couple of days ago about your child being teased about his used bike and now this. Did you change your user name because you sure remind me of another Dis'er who sounds a lot like you who also had a child with LD (user name started with a "V") Is that you?

Please try not to be so harsh. Ninety-nine percent of the people are here to help, and not to put others down. Peace out. :hippie:

No, I haven't changed my user name. Perhaps there's more than one parent with a LD child on this board?

The whole point about the used bike thread wasn't to put up a chip for people to knock off, but rather to point out that sometimes it just doesn't pay to try to economize in certain areas, especially for children. Some items have more than one meaning for a child, for example, a bike isn't just transportation on two wheels, its also carries certain social implications. My whole post was to share my story to give other parents some food for thought. Children have their own society to live in, too, we need to be aware of it. Just wanted to share my experiences, do whatever you like with them, but I see no need to attack me because you don't agree with them.
 
No, I haven't changed my user name. Perhaps there's more than one parent with a LD child on this board?

The whole point about the used bike thread wasn't to put up a chip for people to knock off, but rather to point out that sometimes it just doesn't pay to try to economize in certain areas, especially for children. Some items have more than one meaning for a child, for example, a bike isn't just transportation on two wheels, its also carries certain social implications. My whole post was to share my story to give other parents some food for thought. Children have their own society to live in, too, we need to be aware of it. Just wanted to share my experiences, do whatever you like with them, but I see no need to attack me because you don't agree with them.


Aren't you attacking teachers because you don't approve of their teaching methods?
 
for anyone who questions the methods used in a classroom: Spend some time observing or volunteering in the classroom.

I have had parents question why we do certain things, and after spending a couple of full days in the classroom, it makes a lot more sense to them.

I teach first grade. I still have difficulty with many parents understanding that first grade is serious and important -- they think the kids should do color sheets and listen to stories like they did 30 years ago. It was a shock to me too when I moved to this grade. First grade today is very comparable to what 3rd grade was when I was a child. (minus multiplication).

There are bad teachers like bad workers in any profession. The majority of teachers love their jobs, love children, and enjoy what they do.

Oh, I wouldn't be so quick to take that advice. My ds's first-grade teacher made almost daily complaints about him, I tried everything to find some sort of solution, but couldn't even understand the problem. I mean, this woman was calling me on a daily basis with some sort of petty gripe, like ds forgot to raise his hand before answering a question. I don't know what I could do about that, I'm not teaching her class!

But I tried too hard to work with the teacher, I see that now looking back. I actually went over to school one day to observe, thinking perhaps I could see what the problem was if I actually observed a class. (and it wasn't a surprise to the teacher, it was all scheduled). Well, that was the worst thing I ever did. the complaints escalated from there. Seems the teacher felt I was 'checking up" on her, even though I was just responding to her constant gripes. What did she expect me to do--ignore the situation, so she could complain that ds's parents weren't interested? Seems I couldn't win no matter what I did. I found the best thing to do was just take ds out and homeschool, we're getting much better results and I don't have my daily 'chat with the teacher" to look forward to. Honestly, if that lady was so busy where did she find the time to call me almost daily?
 
2nd grade teacher here! I teach at a very low income school. About 95% of our children live in poverty. I do send a basic supply list. I am lucky if anyone brings anything. I just have to buy anything I absolutely need. I don't ask them to buy anything that is very specific. I like the kids to all have the same color take-home folders, journals, and word-study notebooks - so I buy these.

Honestly, I am a little shocked at all the controversy and griping coming from some of you about having to buy supplies. I promise that most teachers have MUCH more to worry about than if your child brought the right kind of notebook or kleenex. We deal with children throwing desks, attacking principals, and pooping on the floor on an almost daily basis. Your worries about Kleenex are the last things on our minds. Please look at the big picture. Are a few supplies really worth getting upset over? That is addressed to parents and teachers. Just do your best to buy what the teacher needs and then forget it.
 

Be careful with this issue. I've found its best to buy exactly what's on the supply list, this isn't the time to make a stand about the issue.

First of all, your child will stand out. Second, and more important, the teachers don't like students who are "out of the mold". Believe me, I've seen it. When I was in school I saw children being belittled for bringing in the 'wrong' stuff, such as 2 boxes of 8 crayons, instead of the specifiied 16 count box. also, they were quite specific about the type of notebook, any child who brought in the "wrong" notebook automatically lost 10 points on whatever project went in that notebook. How did the teachers get away with such pettiness? Kids typically don't tell their parents about such issues, they feel its somehow their fault or will only blow up even worse.

Even if a teacher doesn't do anything so blantant as deduct an automatic 10 points for having the "wrong" notebook, a lot of the grading, especially in elementary school, is subjective. If they ask for 1.5 inch binders and your kid brings in an assignment in a 1 inch binder its bound to affect the grade.
Teachers can be petty , and they're always griping about how little they're paid, but they seem to have no consideration for the parents budget, like we have a money tree. It constantly bugs me, what they want us to send in, but I always comply, for the kid's sake, even though I probably make less than many teachers! (please, I'm not interested in the flames this one will bring, I don't intend to come back here anyways), its best to play their game, your child is caught in the middle.

Wow. I am sorry for whatever a teacher in school did to you or your child, but please realize that your perception is quite different than the majority of teachers. I hope very much that you will change your mind; I hope that a fantastic, dedicated teacher will enter your life, help your child and you will awaken with a new understanding.

1) Spending - I am a teacher and I spend about $500-$700 of my own money for school supplies every year. This does not count when I bring in breakfast for my homeroom or snacks for Christmas/Halloween, etc. Since I am also a grad student (getting my Masters to become a Reading Specialist so I can diagnose and treat reading disabilities and problems), I have very little money and if I lived alone, could qualify for food stamps. I'm only in my 5th year, so I know it will get better and I feel good about what I'm doing.

2) Large Supply Lists - I require a binder or 5 subject notebook, folder, pen, pencil and highlighter and highly recommend a pocket dictionary and white out.

3) Grading - I have never reduced a child's grade because of not owning supplies. I even state on the first day that if you have a significant financial hardship and cannot purchase some items, let me know. I have purchased supplies for three students so far who have contacted me. Now, once I know a student has items, if they choose not to bring them to class, then they are marked unprepared. They don't lose any points, but it is kept on their record and reported on progress reports and report cards. It is frustrating though, so see a child in $100 sneakers with a sidekick and an ipod tell you that they don't have money for SCHOOL supplies.

4) Art supplies - As a high school teacher, I do occasionally use art supplies in class. No, we do not color. We use this to help teach to multiple intelligences. For example, we did vocabulary work and used red for Latin roots, blue for Greek roots and black for parts of the word that weren't from Latin or Greek. Student felt this really helped them with the SAT vocabulary prep as many words are derived from Latin and Greek. Another way we used art supplies in class was to create maps of the island in Lord of the Flies using the descriptions given in the first four chapters. Students had to locate descriptive passages, write them down and then start sketching out details, adding things in and changing as they learned more. This was to teach chronological order, spatial perception, following directions, and moving items from text to visuals. It is a fact that students that visualize what they read are better readers and enjoy reading more so exercises like this are designed to help motivate an unenthusiastic reader and build confidence. Another way I've used art supplies is with grammar. Many students have a difficult time with the parts of speech and remembering diagrams like I did in school isn't really done anymore because we are so busy doing HSPA prep, SAT prep, interactive notebooks, writing lab work, etc. and I find it is easiest to color code. I give each part of speech a color and we just underline with that color. Students have a much easier time and they say that the colors help them remember. I've had students who said that they would close their eyes and see a word in red and remember it was an action word, a verb!

5)Taxes - Taxes, unfortunately, pay for many things before the remaining quarters and pennies reach the classroom. Schools pay for administrative offices with berber carpeting and cherrywood desks, huge salaries for board members, superintendents, three secretaries for each, etc. Schools pay for beautiful electronic boards, athletic equipment, and huge amounts for new programs that a school adopts one year and tosses to the side three years later. Less than 20% makes it to the classroom. If each school was required to cut the fat from the money spent outside the classroom, then parents wouldn't be asked to send in tissues and crayons. If this is the way things are in your town, don't penalize the teacher or the student - talk to your mayor.

6) Generalizing - I am certain that no one would like to see their profession or any aspect of their lives generalized, especially in a negative way. "Parents think . . . " or "Doctors always . . . " There are millions of teachers, some good some bad. Teachers on the whole, to me, are not petty or vindictive or out to get a child's grade lowered for random things. I don't understand why a teacher like that would *be* a teacher. But, I am sure there might be a few out there.

Yes, you can judge a teacher if you like, but please, do just that judge *a* teacher, not all of us. We are not all the same and we certainly do not run our classrooms all the same way. I've had a teacher who ruined a year of school for me, but I've also had many teachers who have taught me things I will always remember - about the world around me and the world within me and I will be forever grateful. That is why I stick around with the low pay and the low morale at work. I know how much I appreciated my teachers and for the students who yell out their car windows Ms. Disney (not my real name ;) ) I love you! or who name me as their favorite teacher in the yearbook or in the school newspaper, I know how much they appreciate me, too. There are a few teachers where I teach who should be *gone*, so I don't see all teachers with rose colored glasses, either. But, it would be a shame to let the shadow of a few bad ones, cast itself long and dark over every teacher in the world.

Back on topic for the OP -

As far as school supplies go, buy what you can, even if it is store brand (however .50 boxes of crayons are usually just a waste of .50) and recycle still-good stuff (I'm sure 1" will suffice) and talk to the teacher. I am sure the teacher will be willing to work with you if you are suffering financial hardship. Honestly, if your child started a new notebook in June and only used ten pages, I can't see tossing it out to buy a new one just yet, either. I also try to recycle when I can and eliminate waste. I cut up old handouts for scrap paper and ask for double sided copies whenever I have more than one page being copied.

If every teacher in your district has these excessive supply lists I hear about that cost hundreds of dollars, then you need to have a meeting with a principal or superintendent to ask them why the school is not supplying teachers will classroom supplies.

Let me also add a big smile to all my fellow teachers. I am proud of the work we do and I am glad to see you are, too!:teacher:
 
No, I haven't changed my user name. Perhaps there's more than one parent with a LD child on this board?

The whole point about the used bike thread wasn't to put up a chip for people to knock off, but rather to point out that sometimes it just doesn't pay to try to economize in certain areas, especially for children. Some items have more than one meaning for a child, for example, a bike isn't just transportation on two wheels, its also carries certain social implications. My whole post was to share my story to give other parents some food for thought. Children have their own society to live in, too, we need to be aware of it. Just wanted to share my experiences, do whatever you like with them, but I see no need to attack me because you don't agree with them.

You just seem to be so negative about everything. When a teacher was explaining how she creatively did a lesson, you said you wanted to "gag" reading that post. Her lesson sounded fabulous! In fact, it's also the perfect lesson for a student with a learning disability because it allows that student to participate and show his/her understanding of what was read without the learning disability getting in the way. Maybe homeschooling is the better option for you. Then you'll have no one to complain about.
 
I dont mind buying supplies at all. In fact, I always purchase something for the teacher the first week and this has made me realize I need to ask for her wish list. DD attends private school. Our public schools are awful. I am used to paying for her supplies, etc. I have loved all of her teachers. Teachers are teaching and loving our kids...................they deserve to have anything they need. I am one who will provide it, and not because I am rich.

To Me Again......................you say your kids are homeschooled...............why even enter this discussion. Everything, everybody, and every circumstance somehow turns out to be against you. I truly feel sorry for your kids if all these stories are true. You appear to be a very controlling mother who does not hesitate to push her beliefs (perceptions) on others. What on earth will they do when they are old enough to make their own choices?

THANK YOU TO ALL OUR TEACHERS!! You hold our futures in your hands..............our children.
 
I printed out our school supply list yesterday and then went to inventory all of our Staples finds, Walmart finds, etc....and realized that I had almost everything on the list. I think with deals and rebates I spent a total of about $8 on each child.

The optional items are ziplock bags (I assume a box of them???? didn't say), tissues and hand sanitizer.

Can I assume the optional items are for the entire class and buy large boxes?

I am happy to donate items to the class.

Dawn
 
The hand sanitizer and tissues I buy are in the larger sizes. Most of the classes here are coming from a maybe PE,art,music when they are coming to lunch so they use the sanitizer before eating. They use one bottle at a time but the whole class uses it until it is gone and then they move on to a new bottle. Same with the tissues. Sits on the teachers desk and the whole class has access to it....when they run out they open a new box. During cold/allergy season it does not take long to go through a box.

The zipper bags I will usually get a store brand and I will buy a pack of maybe 30ish. For home I buy the huge boxes of multipacks from Sams and I sent a box of those once but I figure a smaller amount is fine since everyone is bringing them and it is not used on a daily basis.
 
You know, you make an excellent point about the required supplies not lasting an entire school year. But that's because that's what parents are asked to send in, we're asked to send in x amount of supplies, so we do. It simply never occured to me that the kids were running low on supplies until I was over there one day and saw how little they had in their supply drawer. I know I should have realized that amount of supplies wouldn't last a year, but that's what they asked for. Perhaps teachers should send home a note every so often to the effect that supplies could be restocked. yes, I know, that would be a lot of work to keep track of each child's supplies and I certainly don't mean to suggest that, but perhaps send home a note with each report card to check with your child, is there anything they're running short on? Honestly, it just doesn't occur to most parents to send in more unless they're made aware of the need. I know now, after 5 years of ps, that those supplies don't last long, but you do need to remind parents, especially kindergarten parents.

Do you ever have anything good to say about teachers?:sad2:

My son will be in the 11th grade in September. In all those years, I've NEVER needed a teacher to TELL me my son needed more supplies.

I always buy more than requested while supplies are on sale. When he was younger, I'd ask my son if he needed more pens, pencils, paper....
By third grade it was his responsibility to inform me when he was running low on supplies.

Me again, this reminds me of your old thread about your son buying extra lunches at school. You always place blame on the teachers/school staff. However, you never take responsibility or hold your children accountable for anything.

I feel sorry for any teachers that have to deal with you.:sad1:
 
Just wanted to let my fellow educators know that you can get a 250 dollar tax credit for all for the supplies you purchase every year, so save those receipts.
And parents who itemize, those sanitizers, tissues, etc are tax deductible as donations to the school.
I teach high school using differentiated instruction and my students love to use colored pencils for map work, highlighting, etc. They REALLY love to create collages with glue sticks, scissors, etc. I supply those materials for them; it is not part of my school's culture to have supply lists.
Just stocked up at the Walmart 10 cent sale yesterday. I used to give away notebooks and folders, but this year I think I will "charge" 10 cents each-- what I paid. Research shows that people don't value things that are given for free. Maybe I will have fewer misplaced folders and notebooks.
Karinbelle-- I wish my kids were in your class!
Fellow teachers--don't let the negative posters get you down!:banana:
 
Yes that is the true number. Approximately 800 kids per grade. Northern suburb of Chicago.

Wow, we are in NW suburbs and I thought our approx 20 classes per grade was alot. But our kids are divided into K-2 and 3-5 schools.

We have a large supply list, the pta offers the wrap paks, but I find it cheaper to buy stuff myself. I don't buy the specific brands listed anymore because I find that they are listed that way because those are brands in wrap paks. Teachers don't mind what brand they are. Lists are same for all classes in grade level and if they need specific items, they have wish list at open house. Also if they run low on something during the year they ask for donations. Some teachers keep supplies as a classroom supply and others allow kids to have their own stuff at their desk. I have found DD8 prefers to have her own things in specific colors she chose, so I ask and the teachers usually have no problem letting her keep them in her pencil box. I know the teachers don't get nearly as much to spend on supplies during the year, so I have no problem helping out once in a while. But I do stock up on certain things during clearance sale to have for the following year.
 

When I was in school I saw children being belittled for bringing in the 'wrong' stuff, such as 2 boxes of 8 crayons, instead of the specifiied 16 count box. also, they were quite specific about the type of notebook, any child who brought in the "wrong" notebook automatically lost 10 points on whatever project went in that notebook.
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One of the many, many reasons why we homeschool.
 
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