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wow, 'wish I was there' seems a little non-descriptive really! looks like some amazing things you have lined up to see and do
Only 24 Hours From Tulsa - The Movie. Pre-trip report.
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Oh Deb,
Thank you for such a beautifully detailed pre-trip report. I do like nice writing and that's very nicely written. A true pen portrait.
Now, I will share information with you. I know Oklahomas state symbols!
Animal: bison (does Matt snore? Will he be honoured in error?)
Reptile: mountain boomer lizard (why boomer? I'm boggling to know)
Stone: rose rock (barite rose) (they have a state stone?!)
Colors: green and white
Beverage: milk (apparently the only drink they can lawfully serve..that'll be a challenge for you!)
Butterfly: black swallowtail
Fish: white or sand bass (NOT Lance Bass)
Folk dance: square dance (photos please)
Furbearer: raccoon (that's cleaner that I imagined)
Game animal: white-tailed deer
Grass: Indiangrass
Insect: honeybee
Musical instrument: fiddle;
Poem: Howdy Folks, David Randolph Milsten (bit of pre-trip reading for you there)
Waltz: Oklahoma Wind (there's no answer to that really)
Wildflower: Indian blanket
Song: Oklahoma
Bird: Scissor Tailed Flycatcher
Tree: Redbud
Flower: Mistletoe
Lastly I'd like you to do some research for me. I've heard that the native Americans had land taken from them (they were given reserves to live on) which was then sold to the highest bidder. The remaining land was available to anyone if they took part in a land race. There was a starting point and the persons with an interest all started running to the relvant plot at the same time. Whoever got there first owned the land. Apparently the white men had horses. The native Americans literally had to run. Bit of an unfair contest, huh? Is this true or a myth. I bet you'll be able to find out when you're there>
Grumpy xxxx
Thank you for such a beautifully detailed pre-trip report. I do like nice writing and that's very nicely written. A true pen portrait.
Now, I will share information with you. I know Oklahomas state symbols!
Animal: bison (does Matt snore? Will he be honoured in error?)
Reptile: mountain boomer lizard (why boomer? I'm boggling to know)
Stone: rose rock (barite rose) (they have a state stone?!)
Colors: green and white
Beverage: milk (apparently the only drink they can lawfully serve..that'll be a challenge for you!)
Butterfly: black swallowtail
Fish: white or sand bass (NOT Lance Bass)
Folk dance: square dance (photos please)
Furbearer: raccoon (that's cleaner that I imagined)
Game animal: white-tailed deer
Grass: Indiangrass
Insect: honeybee
Musical instrument: fiddle;
Poem: Howdy Folks, David Randolph Milsten (bit of pre-trip reading for you there)
Waltz: Oklahoma Wind (there's no answer to that really)
Wildflower: Indian blanket
Song: Oklahoma
Bird: Scissor Tailed Flycatcher
Tree: Redbud
Flower: Mistletoe
Lastly I'd like you to do some research for me. I've heard that the native Americans had land taken from them (they were given reserves to live on) which was then sold to the highest bidder. The remaining land was available to anyone if they took part in a land race. There was a starting point and the persons with an interest all started running to the relvant plot at the same time. Whoever got there first owned the land. Apparently the white men had horses. The native Americans literally had to run. Bit of an unfair contest, huh? Is this true or a myth. I bet you'll be able to find out when you're there>
Grumpy xxxx
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Does the day have a "y" in it?
There's a state reptile? As well as "The Sooner State", Oklahoma is also known at "The Boomer State".
Don't you believe it!
Matt has already admonished me for not attempting to explain the Sooner State nickname. Here's a "cut and paste" I found. Susan will be able to give you the full skinny.
"Unassigned Lands" in Oklahoma were offered to settlers through a series of "Land Openings" where newcomers initially competed for the land in horse races. The Land Run of 1889 began the process of disposing of these Unassigned Lands. The Homestead Act of 1862 provided that a legal settler could claim 160 acres of public land, and those who lived on and improved the claim for five years could receive title.
People who entered the district illegally to lay claim to lands, before the designated entry time, were called "Sooners." The name came from a section in the Indian Appropriations Act of March 2, 1889, that said that nobody would be permitted to enter upon and occupy the land before the time designated in the President's opening proclamation and that those that did would be denied rights to the land. This section became known as the "sooner clause."
Early legal settlers had a very low opinion of Sooners. This began to change by 1908 when the University of Oklahoma named the football team the "Sooners." Like many nicknames, this one's negative connotations faded over time and the name, Sooners, is now worn with pride. Though not official, Oklahoma is popularly known as "The Sooner State."
SusanEllen
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Well done, Grumpy. You now know more about Oklahoma than a lot of Oklahomans do.
And good job, Debbie, explaining “sooner.” I'll just add a little visual aid, the land run scene from the movie Far and Away . At the end of the clip we see a pair of sooners staking claim to land they clearly hadn’t risked their necks to reach during the chaotic run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ycMhMM2UFs The movie depicts the 1889 land run that was the first and largest of the seven runs that took place over a six year period. Let’s assure Grumpy that this was unassigned land and not taken from the Native folks. That felony had occurred 60 and 70 years earlier when ancestral lands were jerked out from beneath dozens of Tribes in all parts of the U. S. and the people were “removed” to Indian Territory (later called Oklahoma). Every tribe was given an area of Indian Territory to be considered a sovereign nation and individual allotments were made to Tribal members. There was land in the surveyed area of the Indian Territory that was leftover after that process and for decades it was empty of human inhabitants except for the occasional outlaws who ran across the Kansas, Arkansas or Texas borders to the sanctuary of the I. T. where only a Federal Marshall had the authority to arrest them and those marshalls were few and far between. That sort of thing was why they called it the Wild West. There were some other people in those unassigned lands who were not exactly outlaws but they were scofflaws. They were the “Boomers,” a bunch of people who came into the unassigned area and built farms and ranches without benefit of legal title—squatters. They hoped to force the Federal Government to open the unassigned land for settlement by the general population. So whether you use the nickname Sooner or Boomer or both, you’re actually talking about people who had little regard for law. Hmmmmm.
[Before addressing Grumpy’s concern for the well being of Native people and in the interest of full disclosure, I should reveal that my heritage includes Creek and Cherokee, although not in generations close enough to allow me Tribal privileges or benefits.]
Oklahoma has never had the kind of reservations you have likely seen in movies, the kind that many Navajo and Hopi people live on in Arizona, large areas of Indian only land. Oklahoma has always been a mashup of cultures. The sovereign nations of the various Tribes overlap with land now held in private ownership. My city, Tulsa, was founded by Creeks on their Tribal land. As the metropolitan area grew it crossed the border of the Osage Nation on the north and the Cherokee Nation on the east, so all three Tribes have a strong presence in our city, but people of all ethnic backgrounds live here. A good bit of the land has long since been sold out of Tribal control, but rest assured that a significant amount is still owned by the Nations and on some of that land they’ve built fabulous casinos and countless “smoke shops” (where tobacco products are sold at sharply reduced prices because the Tribes don’t have to (and don’t) impose Federal and State taxes on the tobacco). Interestingly, as the world economy has tanked over the past few years, Tribal income has soared. I’m guessing that for a lot of people there’s comfort in gambling and smoking. When oil was found on Osage land in the early 1900’s, for several years the Osage people who shared Tribal income equally, were the wealthiest people on the planet. There are still a lot of producing oil wells on Tribal land, but it’s their casinos that are doing the trick for them now.
And good job, Debbie, explaining “sooner.” I'll just add a little visual aid, the land run scene from the movie Far and Away . At the end of the clip we see a pair of sooners staking claim to land they clearly hadn’t risked their necks to reach during the chaotic run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ycMhMM2UFs The movie depicts the 1889 land run that was the first and largest of the seven runs that took place over a six year period. Let’s assure Grumpy that this was unassigned land and not taken from the Native folks. That felony had occurred 60 and 70 years earlier when ancestral lands were jerked out from beneath dozens of Tribes in all parts of the U. S. and the people were “removed” to Indian Territory (later called Oklahoma). Every tribe was given an area of Indian Territory to be considered a sovereign nation and individual allotments were made to Tribal members. There was land in the surveyed area of the Indian Territory that was leftover after that process and for decades it was empty of human inhabitants except for the occasional outlaws who ran across the Kansas, Arkansas or Texas borders to the sanctuary of the I. T. where only a Federal Marshall had the authority to arrest them and those marshalls were few and far between. That sort of thing was why they called it the Wild West. There were some other people in those unassigned lands who were not exactly outlaws but they were scofflaws. They were the “Boomers,” a bunch of people who came into the unassigned area and built farms and ranches without benefit of legal title—squatters. They hoped to force the Federal Government to open the unassigned land for settlement by the general population. So whether you use the nickname Sooner or Boomer or both, you’re actually talking about people who had little regard for law. Hmmmmm.
[Before addressing Grumpy’s concern for the well being of Native people and in the interest of full disclosure, I should reveal that my heritage includes Creek and Cherokee, although not in generations close enough to allow me Tribal privileges or benefits.]
Oklahoma has never had the kind of reservations you have likely seen in movies, the kind that many Navajo and Hopi people live on in Arizona, large areas of Indian only land. Oklahoma has always been a mashup of cultures. The sovereign nations of the various Tribes overlap with land now held in private ownership. My city, Tulsa, was founded by Creeks on their Tribal land. As the metropolitan area grew it crossed the border of the Osage Nation on the north and the Cherokee Nation on the east, so all three Tribes have a strong presence in our city, but people of all ethnic backgrounds live here. A good bit of the land has long since been sold out of Tribal control, but rest assured that a significant amount is still owned by the Nations and on some of that land they’ve built fabulous casinos and countless “smoke shops” (where tobacco products are sold at sharply reduced prices because the Tribes don’t have to (and don’t) impose Federal and State taxes on the tobacco). Interestingly, as the world economy has tanked over the past few years, Tribal income has soared. I’m guessing that for a lot of people there’s comfort in gambling and smoking. When oil was found on Osage land in the early 1900’s, for several years the Osage people who shared Tribal income equally, were the wealthiest people on the planet. There are still a lot of producing oil wells on Tribal land, but it’s their casinos that are doing the trick for them now.
Pugsly
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Well done, Deb.
The only thing missing is to route yourselves (after leaving Houston) through Austin, the Texas state capital, where I could meet your for a drink at one of our many local hotspots (they don't call Austin the "live music capital of the world" for nothing. I'm just sayin' ...) or some of the best Mexican food you've ever come across, along with the requisite margarita.
Safe travels to you and Matt. Enjoy!
The only thing missing is to route yourselves (after leaving Houston) through Austin, the Texas state capital, where I could meet your for a drink at one of our many local hotspots (they don't call Austin the "live music capital of the world" for nothing. I'm just sayin' ...) or some of the best Mexican food you've ever come across, along with the requisite margarita.
Safe travels to you and Matt. Enjoy!
Tammy Stringer
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Wow Deb - what an amazing pre-trip report.
I know how much research Susan and yourselves have done for this trip and have no doubt that you will all have the most amazing time.
My only hope is that Susan is prepared for the avalanche of Brits who will be rushing to get their own guided tour of Oklahoma (ourselves included) in the not too distant future.
We are so jealous that you will be visiting Susan in her hometown and meeting Sally and all her friends, but we know we will have so much fun hearing all about it on your return.
Don't forget the pressure is on you to get Susan to come and visit our wonderful country before too long.
Tam
I know how much research Susan and yourselves have done for this trip and have no doubt that you will all have the most amazing time.
My only hope is that Susan is prepared for the avalanche of Brits who will be rushing to get their own guided tour of Oklahoma (ourselves included) in the not too distant future.
We are so jealous that you will be visiting Susan in her hometown and meeting Sally and all her friends, but we know we will have so much fun hearing all about it on your return.
Don't forget the pressure is on you to get Susan to come and visit our wonderful country before too long.
Tam
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WOW this is truly amazing ... you have a fantastic experience planned. One of my many travel dreams is to take road trips in USA. I look forward to reading about your adventures with interest.
Kevin Stringer
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Blimey Deb, that isn't a pre-trip report - it's a small book! And an excellently researched and written book at that.
Looks like an amazing time is planned. If you fit it all in you'll need a holiday when you get back!
About the 'We're the best friends they could ever hope for' part - I have to take slight exception - I was actually hoping for incredibly rich and yet amazingly generous friends who bear an uncanny resemblance to Kelly Brook, but I guess you two will do at second best.
Have a wonderful time with Susan and say 'Hi' to all in Oklahoma on our behalf.
Kev
Looks like an amazing time is planned. If you fit it all in you'll need a holiday when you get back!
About the 'We're the best friends they could ever hope for' part - I have to take slight exception - I was actually hoping for incredibly rich and yet amazingly generous friends who bear an uncanny resemblance to Kelly Brook, but I guess you two will do at second best.
Have a wonderful time with Susan and say 'Hi' to all in Oklahoma on our behalf.
Kev
UKANGEL
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You were right Debs.....you are a much better write than my sil!
Watch out Mr Stringer, your TR crown could be lost here!
Loving your work, and found all the history and info very interesting, the hotels look fab...and I'm keen to hear all about the cowboy museum on your return
Geeky I know, but the idea of visiting another school library sounds a really exciting trip for me too....
See you soon for all the details
Watch out Mr Stringer, your TR crown could be lost here!
Loving your work, and found all the history and info very interesting, the hotels look fab...and I'm keen to hear all about the cowboy museum on your return
Geeky I know, but the idea of visiting another school library sounds a really exciting trip for me too....
See you soon for all the details
I'm very impressed.
Edification and enjoyment all in one thread!
I've had a look at the Indians Appropriation Act...outrageous!
Have a splendid time and we all look forward to hearing what you've done, what you've eaten, what you've drunk and...everything.
Will you be naming the final segment "Debbie Does Dallas"? One can only hope.
Edification and enjoyment all in one thread!
I've had a look at the Indians Appropriation Act...outrageous!
Have a splendid time and we all look forward to hearing what you've done, what you've eaten, what you've drunk and...everything.
Will you be naming the final segment "Debbie Does Dallas"? One can only hope.
fizz13
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truly in awe of your pre-trippie! Beautifully written, fab photos, and really sparked an interest in a visit myself, some very professional looking travel writing there I really can't wait to read the report and wish you and Matt an amazing trip
I really can't wait to read the report and wish you and Matt an amazing trip
mandymouse
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Wow !! What an amazing trip you have planned 
I can't wait to read your trip report when you get back
I hope you both have a fantastic time
I can't wait to read your trip report when you get backI hope you both have a fantastic time
carolina_yankee
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I can see this will be a very exciting trip! You could probably finance it by selling the first few posts to students who need to submit a social studies project. 
(Susan might not approve, though.)
I look forward to viewing the actual presentation!
Dirk
(Susan might not approve, though.)I look forward to viewing the actual presentation!
Dirk
Hilary
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I've read it, I've enjoyed it, and I'm looking forward to Christmas 2012
What a trip you have planned! It sounds wonderful In amongst all the information and detail of your post, this is the phrase that leapt at me:
It stood out for me, not because I have ever seen the chandeliers, but because I found myself nodding with approval when I read 'atria' for the plural of 'atrium'! I really should get out more ...
A great pre-trip report, Deb, and I'm really looking forward to hearing more on your return - or sometime within the next couple of years, anyway!
SusanEllen
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I can see this will be a very exciting trip! You could probably finance it by selling the first few posts to students who need to submit a social studies project.
I look forward to viewing the actual presentation!
Dirk
Dirk,
No doubt some educators would frown on a student purchasing, shall we say, "ready made projects," but I think I could rationalize the transaction you mentioned and live with a clear conscience because Debbie's work is so well done on all levels--planning, writing, and presenting--that the mere act of copying her work would be an educational experience. Plus The money would come in handy on our ramble across the state!
Hi to J. Hugs, Susan
carolina_yankee
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Debbie, do you and Matt have your spurs packed? Saved room for some beef jerky to bring home?
Can't wait to read your impressions of the more civilized and cultured parts of our country!! Safe travels . . .
Dirk
Can't wait to read your impressions of the more civilized and cultured parts of our country!! Safe travels . . .
Dirk
SusanEllen
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Dirk,
Is that a facetious tone I detect when you refer to Oklahoma's civility and culture? I'm sure I'm mistaken as you are such a gentleman. By the way, a question about your state that I've been meaning to ask, how are your neighbors, Tony and Carmela Soprano, these days? Susan
Is that a facetious tone I detect when you refer to Oklahoma's civility and culture? I'm sure I'm mistaken as you are such a gentleman. By the way, a question about your state that I've been meaning to ask, how are your neighbors, Tony and Carmela Soprano, these days? Susan
I hope you have a great time while you visit here in Dallas. I'm now inspired by your posts to venture into Oklahoma. I only moved to Dallas 7 months ago, so I have a lot to discover. And with OK being so close, I should have no excuses! All the Route 66 stuff looks like fun. If you have a chance, try to make it into Fort Worth (not too far from Grapevine) and visit the Stockyards and downtown. http://www.fortworth.com/visitors/things-to-do/
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