True, but there are lots of things that are required to be covered on ObamaCare that weren't before.
I tried to get an exact list earlier this AM but had trouble finding one.
True, but there are lots of things that are required to be covered on ObamaCare that weren't before.
I tried to get an exact list earlier this AM but had trouble finding one.
Married my hubby. He was army. Tricare sick calls sucked. Can we say 3-5 hrs wait times. Honey you don't have free health care it is earned, without people like your husband we might not have the freedoms we have today. That's not lip service or PC talk because I'm not.lol
My dad was Navy. I remember my mom constantly fighting with Tricare over the dumbest things. Thank your husband for his service. I may not deal with Tricare, but I understand what you go through.
Interesting to hear the point of view of Tricare clients. From the other side, I hear that reimbursements to doctors are terrible.
So we have a government program that provides poor service to military, and doesn't like to reimburse doctors properly. But the government can say that it is a 'Free benefit!' and take credit for 'providing services'.
I wonder if Ocare will be run the same way.
I like to think as the military health care system as a microcosm of what socialized medical care will be like.
You get care, it takes a lot of time and it may not always be in a timely fashion- you will do a lot of waiting.
Here is some information from FACTCHECK. I like that website.
Health insurance premiums for employer-sponsored family plans jumped a startling 9 percent from 2010 to 2011, and some have blamed the federal health care law. But they exaggerate. The law the bulk of which has yet to be implemented has caused only about a 1 percent to 3 percent increase in premiums, according to several independent experts. The rest of the 9 percent rise is due to rising health care costs, as usual.
Furthermore, the increase caused by the law is a result of the increased benefits it requires, a factor Republicans generally ignore. So far, insurance companies have been required to do the following:
Now 1-3% is still an increase but the overall cost of health insurance is jumping substantially.
True, but there are lots of things that are required to be covered on ObamaCare that weren't before.
I tried to get an exact list earlier this AM but had trouble finding one.
Karlzmom said:You should "factcheck" Factcheck. If you look, Factcheck is a project of the Annenberg School and is funded by the Annenberg Foundation. The same foundation the provided a multimillion dollar grant to Chicago schools and secured primarily through the efforts of Bill Ayers - Chairman of the Board was none other than the party the new insurance is named for! Not exactly who I would turn to for a neutral evaluation and I would skeptically consider what they are putting out to cheerleading. Annenberg is also the same group that has been running the "Ask Emily" campaign to boost support for the cause. That your quote singles out a particular PARTY for ridicule should also be a clue that they may not be speaking from a "fact neutral" perspective.
Assuming, for the sake of the argument, that a 1-3% increase is typical and can not be attributed to implementation of the ACA, how do you account for the poster's increase that exceeds 17%? Are the people who are posting increases that exceed the 3% mark just unlucky?
I am thinking the Tricare example is going to be the best example on how this new system will work. Now in Tricare's defense when I was on smaller bases I had an easier time with the Tricare. I live now in a huge military town and having one heck of a time.
For example this is a situation that has happened to me within the last two week. I found out I was pregnant, took a home pregnancy test and freaked out. I'm 27 but was told five years ago when my husband and I tried to have another child that due to some medical issues I would not be able to conceive kids without medical attention. Needless to say seeing a positive pregnancy test I was confused and very scared it was not a viable pregnancy. Also due to my medical issues I had no idea how far along I was however knew for pretty sure I was months along. I called the medical number I have to schedule an appointment for a blood test. I was transferred FOUR times before someone would talk to me. When I finally spoke to the nurse, explained to her my whole situation (which I had also done 4 times) and she told me they wouldn't give me a pregnancy test and that an at home test was the best I could do. She schedule me for a general meeting that all pregnant women have to do to fill out paperwork and go from there. The meeting they originally scheduled me for was over a week away (almost two weeks. I called on Tuesday and they scheduled me for the following Friday). I eventually called back and they shoved in me the next day.
The appointment was for 1:15 the base hospital I am REQUIRED to go to is 15-20 minutes away without traffic. I pulled my daughter out of school since they only did the meetings at 2 o'clock and my husband comes home whenever his command lets him. He doesn't have solid hours that you can count on. Not to mention the 20 minutes it takes to find a parking spot in the parking garage. Anyway so went to the meeting spoke sat there for an hour going over information that I mostly knew already and filling out paperwork. Then I met with a nurse who scheduled me for the fist available appointment which was the following Friday. I asked if there was any way I could see someone sooner. I just wanted to know if the pregnancy is viable I take medications that are VERY important to have correct when pregnant. I was told my thyroid test had to be submitted by a doctor but they had put in for my first pregnancy labs to be done. I asked if there was anyway I could get any test today to make sure the pregnancy was viable or if something else was going on. The nurse told me to go to the ER (in the naval hospital) and they could do an ultrasound.
I leave the women's health area and go down to the ER. The ER receptionist looks at me like I'm nuts. I explain the whole situation (again) to her and she puts me in the system. When I go back for my vitals she asks if I have taken a pregnancy test there. I told her no and repeated what I was told about the home test. She told me someone gave me misinformation and gave me a cup. I get back into a room pretty quickly. The doctor comes in acts confused about what I want and has to talk to someone above her to see what they can do. Long story short it takes 7 HOURS for me to have my blood drawn and the labs run the tests. I'm super emotional and upset. My poor 7 year old is bored out of her mind. My husband is furious that it's taking so long and that I'm upset. Eventually once the labs come back with the positive pregnancy results I'm given an ultrasound to make sure everything is okay and the baby isn't where it shouldn't be. The results of the ultrasound are that I'm 12 weeks along and everything is good.
I'm sure not many people would stand for this. Every time I call for anything I am pretty much going to be told I was given wrong information. In fact I have a written doctors note telling me to call Radiology for an Ultrasound this Monday. I called and they told me to call back on the 15th. I have been called at 4:30 that my labs have come back and I need a new prescription come to the hospital to pick them up. I do not enjoy going to the doctors and this just adds to my stress. Not to mention I am pretty much at their mercy for how delivering a baby is going to go. Just imagine seeing a different doctor every time you go who has a different opinion on what they think is best for you.
When I have gotten referrals to see doctors outside of the military office I usually do not have a say in who I am going to see. Once for physical therapy I had to drive 20 minutes one way for a half hour session twice a week. I ended up just not going and working on it at home since it was so much hassle.
I'm sorry to be so long winded and I'm sure for some people this is TMI however I think the health care system the government is already running is a good example on what they are going to do for the rest of the population. Yes it's better than nothing but that is about it.
Well I have pushed more buttons than I can count this morning.
I could give arguments to each and every one of you, but clearly, it wouldn't do one bit of good.
I will keep in the spirit of this thread.
ObamaCare is a wonderful law that we will all love.
My dad was in active service (Navy) when he died and my 74-year old mom is a dependent in Medicare with Tricare as her secondary. My experiences of the military health care system (both as a child and now through her) are VERY positive. My mom has been in and out of the hospital and in and out of a nursing home and she has paid a big fat $0 for it all. I am not exaggerating when I say that once I retire I hope that I am able to afford secondary medical coverage that is as good as Tricare .
Maybe the issues that your parents are experiencing are from going to a Veteran's Hospital? My mom goes to her local hospital and sees a regular non-military doctor.
I am thinking the Tricare example is going to be the best example on how this new system will work. Now in Tricare's defense when I was on smaller bases I had an easier time with the Tricare. I live now in a huge military town and having one heck of a time.
For example this is a situation that has happened to me within the last two week. I found out I was pregnant, took a home pregnancy test and freaked out. I'm 27 but was told five years ago when my husband and I tried to have another child that due to some medical issues I would not be able to conceive kids without medical attention. Needless to say seeing a positive pregnancy test I was confused and very scared it was not a viable pregnancy. Also due to my medical issues I had no idea how far along I was however knew for pretty sure I was months along. I called the medical number I have to schedule an appointment for a blood test. I was transferred FOUR times before someone would talk to me. When I finally spoke to the nurse, explained to her my whole situation (which I had also done 4 times) and she told me they wouldn't give me a pregnancy test and that an at home test was the best I could do. She schedule me for a general meeting that all pregnant women have to do to fill out paperwork and go from there. The meeting they originally scheduled me for was over a week away (almost two weeks. I called on Tuesday and they scheduled me for the following Friday). I eventually called back and they shoved in me the next day.
The appointment was for 1:15 the base hospital I am REQUIRED to go to is 15-20 minutes away without traffic. I pulled my daughter out of school since they only did the meetings at 2 o'clock and my husband comes home whenever his command lets him. He doesn't have solid hours that you can count on. Not to mention the 20 minutes it takes to find a parking spot in the parking garage. Anyway so went to the meeting spoke sat there for an hour going over information that I mostly knew already and filling out paperwork. Then I met with a nurse who scheduled me for the fist available appointment which was the following Friday. I asked if there was any way I could see someone sooner. I just wanted to know if the pregnancy is viable I take medications that are VERY important to have correct when pregnant. I was told my thyroid test had to be submitted by a doctor but they had put in for my first pregnancy labs to be done. I asked if there was anyway I could get any test today to make sure the pregnancy was viable or if something else was going on. The nurse told me to go to the ER (in the naval hospital) and they could do an ultrasound.
I leave the women's health area and go down to the ER. The ER receptionist looks at me like I'm nuts. I explain the whole situation (again) to her and she puts me in the system. When I go back for my vitals she asks if I have taken a pregnancy test there. I told her no and repeated what I was told about the home test. She told me someone gave me misinformation and gave me a cup. I get back into a room pretty quickly. The doctor comes in acts confused about what I want and has to talk to someone above her to see what they can do. Long story short it takes 7 HOURS for me to have my blood drawn and the labs run the tests. I'm super emotional and upset. My poor 7 year old is bored out of her mind. My husband is furious that it's taking so long and that I'm upset. Eventually once the labs come back with the positive pregnancy results I'm given an ultrasound to make sure everything is okay and the baby isn't where it shouldn't be. The results of the ultrasound are that I'm 12 weeks along and everything is good.
I'm sure not many people would stand for this. Every time I call for anything I am pretty much going to be told I was given wrong information. In fact I have a written doctors note telling me to call Radiology for an Ultrasound this Monday. I called and they told me to call back on the 15th. I have been called at 4:30 that my labs have come back and I need a new prescription come to the hospital to pick them up. I do not enjoy going to the doctors and this just adds to my stress. Not to mention I am pretty much at their mercy for how delivering a baby is going to go. Just imagine seeing a different doctor every time you go who has a different opinion on what they think is best for you.
When I have gotten referrals to see doctors outside of the military office I usually do not have a say in who I am going to see. Once for physical therapy I had to drive 20 minutes one way for a half hour session twice a week. I ended up just not going and working on it at home since it was so much hassle.
I'm sorry to be so long winded and I'm sure for some people this is TMI however I think the health care system the government is already running is a good example on what they are going to do for the rest of the population. Yes it's better than nothing but that is about it.
Now you have to prove that the increase is due to the ACA.
Considering that according to the kaiser foundation which tracks these things. Insurance premiums for American families have risen 131% over the last 10 years.
The last 5 years the average insurance premiums rise has been 9%. So lets see, 450 time 9%. It almost a guarantee that you would have seen an increase of at least 40 bucks.
So the assumption that this was caused by the ACA is false. If insurance premiums have been rising exponentially over the last 10 years, it's a pretty safe bet they would have gone up regardless.
Or is every one saying that their premiums have been the same for the last few years?
Here is some information from FACTCHECK. I like that website.
Health insurance premiums for employer-sponsored family plans jumped a startling 9 percent from 2010 to 2011, and some have blamed the federal health care law. But they exaggerate. The law — the bulk of which has yet to be implemented — has caused only about a 1 percent to 3 percent increase in premiums, according to several independent experts. The rest of the 9 percent rise is due to rising health care costs, as usual.
Furthermore, the increase caused by the law is a result of the increased benefits it requires, a factor Republicans generally ignore. So far, insurance companies have been required to do the following:
Now 1-3% is still an increase but the overall cost of health insurance is jumping substantially.
First of all, congratulations on your baby ! I'm sending out positive vibes to you for a great pregnancy {{hugs}}.
But ... (you knew there had to be one ) I am confused about why you are so upset.
It seems that you were fast tracked for the initial appointment but that wasn't good enough because it didn't include an ultrasound then and there. So, you went to the ER and where neither the receptionist nor the doctor could figure out exactly what the emergency was so you went over their heads and demanded that the ultrasound be done. While there you were probably triaged as a non-emergency so you had to wait longer. You are also upset that you can only go to one hospital, it takes 15-20 minutes to get there, the parking sucks and that you are not seen by the same doctor every time.
Here's a News Flash for you. It would be NO DIFFERENT with private insurance. (1) People with private insurance are either required or monetarily encouraged to go to a specific "in network" hospital and group of doctors. (2) 15-20 minutes is nothing when it comes to driving to a hospital or clinic. I live in downtown Madison, WI and all of my doctors are 5 miles away near the University. It is STILL a 15 minute drive because of the timing of the lights. (3) the hospital where I am receiving my radiation therapy has a parking lot from hell. I just have to add time to park and get to my appointment. (4) As for seeing different doctors, that happens in private practices too. They have groups of doctors who work together and you get "luck of the draw" ... which is actually good for OB's because you can never be sure who will be on call when your baby decides it's time. (5) ERs are for emergencies, not requests. If you don't have a true emergency you will be made to wait while the real emergencies are taken care of. (6) Your fear of doctors has nothing to do with your quality of care.
FWIW, I guess I understand about your medical issues, but I wonder why you were so transfixed on the viability of your pregnancy. Couldn't you have had your medication adjusted to the pregnancy levels until you could get in for an ultrasound?
Oh, FTR I am a Navy Brat so I grew up with military doctors. My mom would drive me 2 hours north to Great Lakes Naval Base and I almost never saw the same doctor twice. Big Whoop.
FWIW, I guess I understand about your medical issues, but I wonder why you were so transfixed on the viability of your pregnancy. Couldn't you have had your medication adjusted to the pregnancy levels until you could get in for an ultrasound?.
Megkel, congratulations on your pregnancy. It seems like your complaints are not at all about the ACA and all about military hospitals.