Not attending MVMCP, when do we get kicked out?

[lustergirl]

OP here.

I was simply asking how late I can enter a line, similar to asking how late I can enter a line any other day that isn't MVMCP. I realize there are shortened hours, but it's unreasonable to close up shop and expect all people without wristbands to actually be out of the gates by the time 7 rolls around. When the parks close at midnight, I'm sure people remain in line for some time afterward. I never said I wanted to be there for the party and get something for nothing.

It is no unreasonable for Disney to expect non party ticket people to be out of the park by 7pm. I would head for the gates before then.

 

[Number Six]

If the park is open until 7, the park is open until 7.expecting to be out by then is unreasonable like it would be any other day.the first poster is fine

 

[Donna3271]

Actually it is a big deal. People pay a lot for the parties, and it is not at all right for people to linger if they have not paid to be at the party. And I'm glad Disney sees it as a bigger deal than you do. When I was at a party a couple of weeks ago they checked for wrist bands multiple times.

Please don't make it sound as if it is ok if guests without tickets hang out. It is not!

I think you misinterpreted what the PP said. She was just stating you are allowed to use the amenities until 7, and then you can walk out. She was not advocating loitering… she just wanted the OP to know not to be stressed leaving if you get off a ride a few minutes after 7.

 

[Donna3271]

If the park is open until 7, the park is open until 7.expecting to be out by then is unreasonable like it would be any other day.the first poster is fine

I agree with this.

 

[Tinkerbella001]

Yes, they will treat you like a criminal. I think they should close the park at 6:30 and give non-party goers until 7 to exit.

On a non-party night, if they close at 10, you can still go to the bathroom and shop afterwards. I don't think it's unreasonable for the average guest to expect the same thing when it closes at 7. Let's stop and buy our stuff on the way out...

We were in a long line at the Emporium at 6:50. By the time we got up to pay it was 7:02, and they did not let us purchase our selections. It was our last night in the World, flight early the next morning and some very disappointed kids. I don't see the need for this extreme cut-off. It isn't printed on the maps that non-party guests need to be on the OUTSIDE of the gates before 7, just that the hours are until 7.

There needs to be a softer line between the two. Like park hours are until 6:30, party can still start at 7 and give the rest a nice cushion to take those last pictures, buy those souvies...

 

[mom2rtk]

Yes, they will treat you like a criminal. I think they should close the park at 6:30 and give non-party goers until 7 to exit.

On a non-party night, if they close at 10, you can still go to the bathroom and shop afterwards. I don't think it's unreasonable for the average guest to expect the same thing when it closes at 7. Let's stop and buy our stuff on the way out...

We were in a long line at the Emporium at 6:50. By the time we got up to pay it was 7:02, and they did not let us purchase our selections. It was our last night in the World, flight early the next morning and some very disappointed kids. I don't see the need for this extreme cut-off. It isn't printed on the maps that non-party guests need to be on the OUTSIDE of the gates before 7, just that the hours are until 7.

There needs to be a softer line between the two. Like park hours are until 6:30, party can still start at 7 and give the rest a nice cushion to take those last pictures, buy those souvies...

Disney is trying to balance the needs of one set of guests (party goers) with the needs of another (non-party goers).

If you think they should close at 6:30 but give you to 7 to leave, why don't you just pretend they close at 6:30 and give yourself until 7 to go?

FWIW, I think that if you were in line before 7, I think they should have let you finish your purchase (as long as it wasn't party merchandise). That said, you now know the deal so it shouldn't be a problem next time.

 

[LBIJim]

If the park is open until 7, the park is open until 7.expecting to be out by then is unreasonable like it would be any other day.the first poster is fine

Yep, if they want non-party ticket holders OUT by 7pm, they need to post a 6 or 630pm closing time. if I held just a day ticket and desired to get full value out of it, I'd definitely stay until 7pm, even if it means entering a 40 minute 7DMT line at 659pm.

 

[Tinkerbella001]

Disney is trying to balance the needs of one set of guests (party goers) with the needs of another (non-party goers).

If you think they should close at 6:30 but give you to 7 to leave, why don't you just pretend they close at 6:30 and give yourself until 7 to go?

FWIW, I think that if you were in line before 7, I think they should have let you finish your purchase (as long as it wasn't party merchandise). That said, you now know the deal so it shouldn't be a problem next time.

Yes, NOW I KNOW. It sure would have been nice to have that perspective BEFORE it happened. Not just for myself, but every guest who doesn't know the implication. Since I DID stay for the party a couple days before I didn't have the experience of being treated poorly for not wanting to attend a second party.

Wouldn't it make the world a better place if everyone just "magically" knew this information??!! or if there was a cushion of time.

 

[saskdw]

. I think they should close the park at 6:30 and give non-party goers until 7 to exit.

I agree. Seems like the whole process would be easier if they put a 1/2 hour buffer in there.

 

[kaytieeldr]

It seems they do make several announcements, starting at that requested half hour "buffer" http://www.magicmusic.net/blog/2/en...oween-party-party-announcements-2005-present/

Three announcements play immediately prior to the start of the party. These announcements are made by the "Ghost Host," using music and sounds from the Haunted Mansion, and really puts one in the mood for the fun that is to follow. To my knowledge, the announcements have been the same since 2005.

NORMAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

Announcement #1 (1:22) Plays 30 minutes prior to the start of the party. "Good evening foolish mortals. It is I, your host, your, Ghost Host. And welcome to what is sure to be a ghoulishly delightful occasion. All will begin to reveal itself tonight, at the hour of seven, when Mickey Mouse will be hosting our Not So Scary Halloween Party, with Mickey's Boo to You Halloween Parade, a very illuminating Happy Hallowishes fireworks show, and trick or treating throughout the park. If you do not already possess a ticket, please visit our Ghost Relations, located at City Hall in Town Square, to pay your token fee. Of course, if you choose not to join us, don't worry, a ghost will still follow you home (evil laughter followed by wolf howl)."

Announcement #2 (1:11) Plays 15 minutes prior to the start of the party. "Ah, there you are, and just in time. It is I, your host, your Ghost Host. I see many new happy haunts are materializing for tonight's Not So Scary Halloween Party. Welcome, our party is almost ready to begin. It would be our treat to have you join our celebration. Yet mortals require a separate ticket. To procure your passage, please visit Ghost Relations at City Hall in Town Square. If our jamboree is not in the cards for you this evening, then please remember, the hauntings always free (evil laughter followed by wolf howl)."

Announcement #3 (1:02) Plays at the start of the party. "Ha Ha, the time has come. It is I, your host, your, Ghost Host. Our Not So Scary Halloween Party has begun. This Magic Kingdom is now prepared to celebrate my favorite time of year. For those mortals who have not paid their token fee to attend, you may do so at Ghost Relations in City Hall. Otherwise, you'll need to please leave the Magic Kingdom at this time. And remember, beware of hitchhiking ghosts! (evil laughter followed by wolf howl)."

 

[rapunzels]

In my experience they start looking for wrist bands a while before the party starts. And they then inform guests that they need to leave by 7 pm. So while they may not push you to the front, they do some gentle nudging.

Yeah, and by gentle nudging, we mean cast members blocking walk ways, checking bands. Non payers are squeezed out. Though there will always be some who try to be clever.... on Friday at the MVMCP, we saw the same family be told to leave multiple times at various parts of Fantasyland in 20 minutes. They claimed they could not find other members of their party.... at a ride, at a food concession and at a store. The cast member told them to look at the exit of the park.

 

[WeHaveADisneyProblem]

We have done the parties and also been there heading toward the exit at 7:15 on nights we weren't staying. Last year it was actually a little annoying as we were heading around the hub towards Main Street when were confronted a little too aggressively by three CM within 60 seconds as we walked toward the exit. I absolutely understand how frustrating it can be for the CM however as there are always a good amount of people who try to stay. We saw big groups being escorted out this year at MNSSHP after the first parade so I get why they have to do it. Not the fault of the CM but those who try to beat the system.

 

[Tinkerbella001]

It seems they do make several announcements, starting at that requested half hour "buffer" http://www.magicmusic.net/blog/2/en...oween-party-party-announcements-2005-present/

Three announcements play immediately prior to the start of the party. These announcements are made by the "Ghost Host," using music and sounds from the Haunted Mansion, and really puts one in the mood for the fun that is to follow. To my knowledge, the announcements have been the same since 2005.

NORMAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

Announcement #1 (1:22) Plays 30 minutes prior to the start of the party. "Good evening foolish mortals. It is I, your host, your, Ghost Host. And welcome to what is sure to be a ghoulishly delightful occasion. All will begin to reveal itself tonight, at the hour of seven, when Mickey Mouse will be hosting our Not So Scary Halloween Party, with Mickey's Boo to You Halloween Parade, a very illuminating Happy Hallowishes fireworks show, and trick or treating throughout the park. If you do not already possess a ticket, please visit our Ghost Relations, located at City Hall in Town Square, to pay your token fee. Of course, if you choose not to join us, don't worry, a ghost will still follow you home (evil laughter followed by wolf howl)."

Announcement #2 (1:11) Plays 15 minutes prior to the start of the party. "Ah, there you are, and just in time. It is I, your host, your Ghost Host. I see many new happy haunts are materializing for tonight's Not So Scary Halloween Party. Welcome, our party is almost ready to begin. It would be our treat to have you join our celebration. Yet mortals require a separate ticket. To procure your passage, please visit Ghost Relations at City Hall in Town Square. If our jamboree is not in the cards for you this evening, then please remember, the hauntings always free (evil laughter followed by wolf howl)."

Announcement #3 (1:02) Plays at the start of the party. "Ha Ha, the time has come. It is I, your host, your, Ghost Host. Our Not So Scary Halloween Party has begun. This Magic Kingdom is now prepared to celebrate my favorite time of year. For those mortals who have not paid their token fee to attend, you may do so at Ghost Relations in City Hall. Otherwise, you'll need to please leave the Magic Kingdom at this time. And remember, beware of hitchhiking ghosts! (evil laughter followed by wolf howl)."

Funny. I don't see anything in those announcements about leaving IMMEDIATELY. Do not pass go! Just a basic reminder the park closes at 7...Even the #3, at 7:00 does not say anything about restrooms and gift shops being closed.

Yes, NOW I KNOW. I can easily pretend the park closes at 6:30 if I am ever there on a party day again. But that doesn't help others.

Maybe the park map should read "Today's Park Hours 9-7 pm. Please plan on having your purchases completed and bladder emptied prior to 7 pm, so that your entire party can be outside of the gate at exactly 7 pm.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Funny. I don't see anything in those announcements about leaving IMMEDIATELY. Do not pass go! Just a basic reminder the park closes at 7...Even the #3, at 7:00 does not say anything about restrooms and gift shops being closed.

Oh. Because when the third/final/7 PM announcement states "Otherwise, you'll need to please leave the Magic Kingdom at this time. ", it's clear to me. It's not saying to make your way to the exit, it's telling undocumented guests they need to leave - after two earlier warning announcements.

 

[Tinkerbella001]

Announcement #2 Plays 30 minutes prior to the start of the party. if you choose not to join us, don't worry, a ghost will still follow you home (evil laughter followed by wolf howl)."

Announcement #2 (1:11) Plays 15 minutes prior to the start of the party. If our jamboree is not in the cards for you this evening, then please remember, the hauntings always free (evil laughter followed by wolf howl)."


Nope. Still nothing about getting the heck out of dodge before 7. Not even to begin making your way to the exit.

It makes me sad to hear stories from co-workers and extended family about how they were treated in my happy place. Toddlers wetting themselves, etc. This is NOT common knowledge, and is NOT well articulated to the average guest. That's why this thread is important. People need to know the unwritten expectation and avoid a very negative experience.

The first 2 announcements should say "if you choose not to join us, please make your way to the exits at this time". I do not think Disney intends for this to be such a hard core breaking point.

As for those who try to sneak a peek at the parade instead of just trying to wrap up their shopping/restrooms/etc, I say GOUGE THEIR EYES OUT!

 

[maxiesmom]

They have a giant sign out front that explains about the party and the park hours. I'm not sure why, if someplace has a ticketed event and you don't have a ticket to that event, it is a hard concept to grasp that you should no longer be there. For those without a ticket, the park is closed. Not kind of sorta closed, but we can dwaddle a bit, or maybe get a snack or use the restroom. Closed! It is not an unwritten expectation. Closed to you is closed to you.

Shouldn't be that hard to understand.

 

[LBIJim]

Do they have those playfully evil announcements throughout the park? I don't recall exactly where we were between 630 and 7pm, but I don't remember any announcements. And those are the kinds of things I would enjoy and remember.

And on a sold out party night, could you pay to stay?

I agree with the poster who says Disney does a rotten job making logistics clear. Nothing in the party promo material, neither printed nor online, says anything about being able to enter at 4pm. Nor anything about non-party goers being excluded from shops, food, and restrooms after 7pm. It's normal for casual guests, those not in-the-know, to be unaware of these policies. So I don't doubt that some guests feel like criminals for unwittingly violating them.

 

[maxiesmom]

Do they have those playfully evil announcements throughout the park? I don't recall exactly where we were between 630 and 7pm, but I don't remember any announcements. And those are the kinds of things I would enjoy and remember.

And on a sold out party night, could you pay to stay?

I agree with the poster who says Disney does a rotten job making logistics clear. Nothing in the party promo material, neither printed nor online, says anything about being able to enter at 4pm. Nor anything about non-party goers being excluded from shops, food, and restrooms after 7pm. It's normal for casual guests, those not in-the-know, to be unaware of these policies. So I don't doubt that some guests feel like criminals for unwittingly violating them.

The allowing guests in at 4 pm with their party tickets in not written anywhere I have seen. From what I understand Disney does it to keep the mob a bit easier to control. Instead of having one huge gigantic mob of people trying to get in the park at the same time and trying to get wrist bands all at once, it is broken down a bit.

As far as the 7 pm timing is concerned again, if you don't have a party ticket, the park is closed to you. Seems pretty clear that if you didn't pay to be in the park those hours then you have no business being in the park those hours. Park hours are provided to each guest, and that includes the days of the parties, and what those party hours are. If someone is surprised the park closes to them at 7 pm without a party ticket, then they didn't read the park hours. That is their own fault.

 

[LBIJim]

They have a giant sign out front that explains about the party and the park hours. I'm not sure why, if someplace has a ticketed event and you don't have a ticket to that event, it is a hard concept to grasp that you should no longer be there. For those without a ticket, the park is closed. Not kind of sorta closed, but we can dwaddle a bit, or maybe get a snack or use the restroom. Closed! It is not an unwritten expectation. Closed to you is closed to you.

Shouldn't be that hard to understand.

But it IS hard to understand for a casual guest. On a normal operating day, closed means sorta closed. No rides or attractions, but you can dwaddle a bit, or maybe get a snack or use the restroom. Disney communicates NOTHING about this not being the case for party nights.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Nope. Still nothing about getting the heck out of dodge before 7. Not even to begin making your way to the exit.

Announcement #3 informs guests, after two warning announcements and the signs described by maxiesmom, that they "...must leave the Magic Kingdom at this time". Not 'make...way toward the exit but feel free to linger, shop, even use the facilities'. Not before the party starts (although absolutely nothing prohibits non-party guest from leaving earlier), but given the signage and multiple announcements, it's the guests' responsibility to plan accordingly.