MVMCP new rule...no early admission!

[bethann1970]

Lol, darn them for not giving you extra hours!What a shame! Not.

I always thought DIS people were happy and nice. Why post if you're just laughing at someone's opinion? Opinions are all valid and not a joke. Hasn't everyone heard the saying "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all"?

I never would have started this thread if I thought people would use it to put others down.

 

[GetGlowing]

Any chance we can get an aerial photo of 30k people being forced to wait outside while the park is cleared?

I'm sure the news helicopters will provide one after the riots start.

 

[meded70]

It's pretty simple and I don't understand the debate or why it's "fair" or "unfair." The ticket you buy allows you entry into the part during certain times. If the party ticket allows people to be there from 4 pm, they're allowed to be there at 4 pm. If the regular ticket says the day ends at 7, the day ends at 7.

What's the big deal here? And why is this so hard to understand?

I can't believe how long these threads last.

The big deal is that the party ticket apparently says 7 pm, not 4 pm, so your logic doesn't make sense. I'm happy to leave at 7 pm if that's what my ticket says, but the people with party tickets should be just as happy to enter at 7 pm, not 4 pm, if that's what their ticket says.

 

[bytheblood]

I have been to way more than 3 parties and did see people on the curb. A CM would go down the line and do the wristband game (all hold up you wristband). All who did not were pointed to the exit. The CM made them get up. If they refused others help. They were all gone from the curb and their places filled by wristbanders.

They could see the parade if they got in the back just as the parade started.

Well, all I can say is that your experience has been the complete opposite of mine (ours).

We sat next to a party of about 12-15 people this past December who spent 10 minutes bragging to us and the other people around them how they get to see the special shows, parades and fireworks for MVMCP and MNSSHP every year this way. They were trying to tell us how we should do this so that we can save the money we spend on tickets. And when my MIL asked them how, they went on about how they wear long sleeves and just sit on the walls and curbs and just avoid ride queues.

My sister and I went to a 2nd party and had similar experiences. I even asked one of the men how they can feel good about doing this knowing that everybody else paid $50 - $60 a ticket to get in and he actually responded with, "well, I pay enough money for my annual pass, I should not have to pay to watch some gun powder get shot into the air and some people in Christmas costumes dance down Main Street."

Most of the CMs do check for wristbands before allowing people on the rides, but they do not check every single person in the park....and the bigger issue is, they do not ensure that the person without the wristband is escorted completely out of the park.

I have seen people say, "oh, my kid is in the bathroom" or "I am waiting on my wife" - and the CMs just tell them that they need to find them and leave the park. Honestly, they should be escorted out.

One final comment - In both 2007 and 2009, as we waited in line for MVMCP merchandise, we saw CMs selling items to people without wristbands. When we arrived at the counter, we asked why they were able to make the purchase and the CM said that there are too many people in the parks who did not purchase a ticket, so they have to limit the pins, which is their way of controlling who purchases and for what reasons.

So yes, it is disgusting, but it does happen.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Many years ago they did make all the non-party goers leave the park at 6PM. If you had a party ticket and already were in the park on another ticket, you were directed to Tomorrowland where party goers were held until 7PM. I you weren't already in the park on another ticket, you were held outside until 7PM - just like first thing in the morning. The park was swept and decorated in that one hour (there were no decorations for the Halloween party until after 6PM) and holiday lighting was turned on. It wasn't that big of a problem. And they had fewer parties that they do now.

Now they have so many more parties and so many more tickets sold.

 

[kaytieeldr]

It's pretty simple and I don't understand the debate or why it's "fair" or "unfair." The ticket you buy allows you entry into the part during certain times. If the party ticket allows people to be there from 4 pm, they're allowed to be there at 4 pm. If the regular ticket says the day ends at 7, the day ends at 7.

What's the big deal here? And why is this so hard to understand?

I can't believe how long these threads last.

Well, regular park tickets don't state times, because the times can vary day to day and park to park. With a park ticket, the Guest can go to any park and stay for all the park's published hours for that day. The Guest can add the park hopper feature to their tickets and visit up to four parks that one day with that one ticket.

Party tickets do state party times, because that's the time/date/location for which the held ticket is valid. A party ticket has no flexibility. It's valid for five party hours only... plus, apparently, actual physical time to allow attendees to get in to the party.

 

[nytimez]

The big deal is that the party ticket apparently says 7 pm, not 4 pm, so your logic doesn't make sense. I'm happy to leave at 7 pm if that's what my ticket says, but the people with party tickets should be just as happy to enter at 7 pm, not 4 pm, if that's what their ticket says.

So these people are sneaking in? It's not about "logic." The party starts at 7, yes, and for several years now Disney has allowed people with party tickets to enter at 4. No logic necessary -- it's either allowed, or it isn't. If it's allowed, they can be there. Period.

 

[mesaboy2]

To paraphrase a previous poster: Merry Christmas everyone!!!!!

 

[kaytieeldr]

The big deal is that the party ticket apparently says 7 pm, not 4 pm, so your logic doesn't make sense. I'm happy to leave at 7 pm if that's what my ticket says, but the people with party tickets should be just as happy to enter at 7 pm, not 4 pm, if that's what their ticket says.

But if you could come up with a reasonable method to get all the 'day' Guests out of the Magic Kingdom at/by exactly 7 PM and all the party Guests inside the Magic Kingdom at exactly 7 PM, this would make absolute sense.

With Walt Disney World selling between 50% and 100% more tickets per party than they did in the past, holding all the party Guests outside until 7 simply wouldn't work. It would take, conservatively, an hour and 38 minutes to get 30,000 Guests through the turnstiles - and that's if everything were working optimally... which of course it never does... and not allowing for any turnstiles to be used for exiting Guests.

 

[Motomom06]

OK, I don't have a dog in this fight; I don't care one way or the other. But I do see a basis for an argument. So here it is.

I have a regular ticket and you have an MNSSHP or MVMCP ticket. I have paid for entry from 9-7. You have paid for entry from 7-11. By entering at 4, you have now increased the number of people at MK that I have to compete with for rides, counter service, ADRs, space in the stores, etc. that you didn't pay for. You have from 7-11 to ride Space Mountain; why should you be able to get in line early if I can't get in line late?

You complain about competing with non-payers for space during the party, but I would complain about competing with partygoers during the 4-7 PM period if they didn't pay for entry at 4.

Can you see the argument from that side now? (As I said, I don't care; just explaining a possible point of view.)

"I don't have a dog in this fight" - this statement is offensive to me! I adopted 2 pit bulls from a "VERY WELL KNOWN" dog fighting ring. I am a champion of the breed. These are the 2 most well adjusted, loving dogs you will ever meet. PLEASE DO NOT FIGHT YOUR DOGS!!!!
okey dokey, now, we aren't fighting dogs, so let me in at 4pm so I can make my PL ressie at 4:30pm and be ready for MSSHP at 7pm!

 

[mousermerf]

That point has been made numerous times in this thread...

But, that hasn't made a dent in the near panic that seems to infuse and continues to fuel it.

That hasn't stopped them from actually doing it in years past though - all this impossibility and illogicality and yet MK has actually done this many times not just for MVMCP but other hard-close events.

 

[mousermerf]

And to note, last i heard parties were still capped at 22k - where did this 30k number come from?

 

[mousermerf]

And one last thing: "Why would they do this? Why make the change now?"

Disneyland - Halloweentime - Adult Costumes

Google it if you're confused.

 

[mom2rtk]

That hasn't stopped them from actually doing it in years past though - all this impossibility and illogicality and yet MK has actually done this many times not just for MVMCP but other hard-close events.

1) I think a lot of people are guessing at the number of tickets sold. I don't think Disney has ever published a firm figure. I do think we can ALL agree that a) they sell too many and b) it's quite a bit more than it used to be

2) I think when they emptied the park like this before, the gates were configured differently. With increased security, more fences and bag check, it is almost a physical impossibility.

I have tickets to two of the final Christmas parties. I think even if they try this approach, the uproar will be loud enough to have it changed back by the time I get there in December.

I am going to be in the MK on those days too, so I don't need the extra time, so I don't have a horse in this race (is that analogy OK???)

If people spend a chunk of limited party time just getting INTO the park, it's gonna get ugly.......

And one last thing: "Why would they do this? Why make the change now?"

Disneyland - Halloweentime - Adult Costumes


Google it if you're confused.

Did I miss something? I saw nothing when I googled it. Are they not allowing adults to dress up this year or something?

 

[joelkfla]

And one last thing: "Why would they do this? Why make the change now?"

Disneyland - Halloweentime - Adult Costumes

Google it if you're confused.

Maybe because a bean counter is now pres of Parks & Resorts?

"Oh my gosh, we're giving guests 3 hours for free? Stop that, immediately!"

 

[doconeill]

In the past, there was at least an hour between "park close" and "party open". You didn't have to very large groups hitting at exactly the same time. And one of the groups was definitely smaller then.

 

[fx2594]

Personally, I always thought it was odd that guests for MVMCP got to come in early.

 

[keishashadow]

Many years ago they did make all the non-party goers leave the park at 6PM. If you had a party ticket and already were in the park on another ticket, you were directed to Tomorrowland where party goers were held until 7PM. I you weren't already in the park on another ticket, you were held outside until 7PM - just like first thing in the morning. The park was swept and decorated in that one hour (there were no decorations for the Halloween party until after 6PM) and holiday lighting was turned on. It wasn't that big of a problem. And they had fewer parties that they do now.

Now they have so many more parties and so many more tickets sold.

seemed less crowded too! An hour was plenty to usher out the day guests. We took to sitting down to eat @ TS before 6 pm to avoid being sent to the 'pen' & just stroll on out to enjoy the party when we were done dining

disney is "the" expert @ crowd control. It's no great feat for them to empty out a park quickly (one backstage tour we took touched on the various behind the scenes routes they have for emergencies if needed). Disney states plainly they reserve the right to the change park hours at will, and have for private events.

 

[PaulaSB12]

I haven't been to the christmas party but have been to the halloween party. Being from the UK I usally have the 14 day ultimate ticket which gives you 14 days of all the parks and park hopping, I wonder how they would handle someone at the christmas party with a ultimate ticket and a party ticket.

 

[doconeill]

I haven't been to the christmas party but have been to the halloween party. Being from the UK I usally have the 14 day ultimate ticket which gives you 14 days of all the parks and park hopping, I wonder how they would handle someone at the christmas party with a ultimate ticket and a party ticket.

Technically, you need to leave and re-enter the park using the party ticket and get the wristband - although I believe they have had people around the parks to scan your party ticket and give you a wristband as well if you had entered early (pre-4pm) using your park ticket (like they used to do for EMH evenings).