More Carnival Problems

Most know I am not a Carnival fan!

However in this case its NOT Carnivals fault!. When a vessel is in the shipyard the safety of the vessel is the responsibility of the shipyard, not the owners or line.

AKK

correction ... at least when I sat in "the chair"

when a ship is in DRYDOCK the responsible party is the ship yard and transfers as soon as the ship crosses the line denoting the entrance .. for the common floating dock this was the 'sill' or edge of the dry dock.

a ship in a "dockside" maintenance or repair period, responsibility remains the with the Master

Had many experiences in both conditions . . .

I'm always amazed how poorly cruise ships are set up for their mooring lines. A bundle fore and aft and nothing 'tween. If I'd tied up that way in ADAK or Dutch Harbor my ship would have been on the rocks the first night. Remember, a Disney ship blew away from the terminal in Canaveral not long ago and dropped the gangways .... tugs fortunately were close and responded to push the ship back against the pier.
 
correction ... at least when I sat in "the chair"

when a ship is in DRYDOCK the responsible party is the ship yard and transfers as soon as the ship crosses the line denoting the entrance .. for the common floating dock this was the 'sill' or edge of the dry dock.

a ship in a "dockside" maintenance or repair period, responsibility remains the with the Master

Had many experiences in both conditions . . .

I'm always amazed how poorly cruise ships are set up for their mooring lines. A bundle fore and aft and nothing 'tween. If I'd tied up that way in ADAK or Dutch Harbor my ship would have been on the rocks the first night. Remember, a Disney ship blew away from the terminal in Canaveral not long ago and dropped the gangways .... tugs fortunately were close and responded to push the ship back against the pier.


I beg to differ, once the vessel was tied along side the pier, the shipyard by contract took responsibility for the vessel, generally because the plant was dead and power limited. That of course did not mean if their was a Master onboard........he could sit back and not raise holy hell if in his judgment the vessel was in danger.

I have been in yards when there was only a mate and a chief engineer and of course the Owners port Captain/engineer or supervisor. This of course is likely the difference form Military and Merchant.



I am glad I am not the only one that wondered about the lines on the big cruise ships. Just like you said.........a bunch of bow and stern lines.............maybe 2 springs. NEVER saw a breast line!:scared1:

AKK
 
Capt_BJ said:
I'm always amazed how poorly cruise ships are set up for their mooring lines. A bundle fore and aft and nothing 'tween. If I'd tied up that way in ADAK or Dutch Harbor my ship would have been on the rocks the first night. Remember, a Disney ship blew away from the terminal in Canaveral not long ago and dropped the gangways .... tugs fortunately were close and responded to push the ship back against the pier.


The Wonder was towed to another pier after her incident. She couldn't stay at term 8 because of the crew gangways and bridges that were hanging over the edge of the pier.

As far as lines I've seen the Magic running her thrusters to stay against the pier at CC. This was when they still did bridge tours. The oic was getting or making phone calls every few minutes and updating the Capt.

The thrusters are prob why we don't see more lines like normal ships.
 

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