I agree with the whole skip puppyhood. My dream list was: Housebroken Crate Trained Leash Trained House manners (stays off furniture etc) No incessant barking Not food aggressive Not cat or people aggressive. Our boy is not well crate trained. We found a huge crate at GoodWill and we work on it. When we are not home (adults at work, DD at school) he gets the laundry room. Due to the heat in Texas and his furry coat he is not left outside except in the evenings or early mornings. When we cool off in the late fall/winter he will be able to spend more time in the yard. He roams the fence line but has never challenged the fence. He does dig, its a trait of the breed. He will dig himself a hole to sit in to keep cool. A section of our yard is dirt, its under a tree and it has become his spot. Our Boy was an owner surrender. The owner got him as a puppy, thought he would be cute to breed and then he grew and he shed and he kept growing. He is 75#'s and per our vet approx. 35#'s underweight. He sheds a lot so we brush a lot. I brush him just about every evening and we got a "Furminator" when he was blowing his undercoat. Expensive but very effective. I have no regrets with him. He has great manners, housebroken and no known aggressions that we have seen in the 2 months we have had him. Instead of spending our time housebreaking we spend time grooming and teaching him commands. He's a jewel and just a giant marshmallow. I have never liked dogs, never wanted one etc. Now that DD is 14 we felt we had the time. When we first brought him home I took him to work with me. I have my own office and everyone at work got a kick out of him. I still take him periodically but he tends to get car sick so its kind of a torture to take him to work. We are working on the car sick issues and he is getting better and better. We also take him lots of places where there are people. Outdoor malls are a favorite along with his nightly walk to check his neighborhood. Our Boy just like so many here have said about their adult adoptees was a perfect find. Just goes to show, a long wish list is very do-able. I strongly encourage an adult dog. We were looking at 1-3 years of age, ended up at 1.5 years. Still a teen, still growing but out of the destructive, time consuming, carpet destroying puppy phase.