Just Back from Disneyland and DCA!!

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  1. toodles

    toodles Earning My Ears

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    It was good to see Disneyland again! Let me start with the synopsis of likes and dislikes from our trip and then expand so that those with shorter attention spans (like me) can still stand to read this!

    Here are the special likes from this trip:
    Liked the Disneyland hotel beds -- these seemed to be an improvement over my last visit, great mattress!

    Loved the new Indiana Jones ride in Disneyland! Not sure when this was installed, but it wasn't there the last time I went or I somehow missed it.

    Loved California Soarin' in DCA! Great virtual reality, although I have suggestions for how to improve it. What fun!

    To die for hot cocoa!!! Yummm!

    Loved the addition of some new restaurants. This will give the Blue Bayou some competition which can only be a good thing. I was particularly impressed with the Storybook Cafe in the new hotel and the Jazz Kitchen or perhaps it was called Brennan's Jazz Restaurant and the short order restaurant next door was the Jazz Kitchen. In any case, this is the New Orleans style restaurant in Downtown Disney.

    Didn't like so much....
    Paradise Pier in DCA -- if I wanted to go to Six Flags, I could've saved a lot of money by staying in Texas. Did they fire all the imagineers??! This was very unDisney and I now understand the anti-DCA statements I have heard. It's pretty lame to say that Walt Disney would've approved it because he loved amusement parks. His concept was to take an amusement park and elevate it to pure whimsical fantasy. No elevation here! And ridiculous lack of crowd control -- cheek to cheek! (And I think you know which ones).

    No normal hotel services. Why is it that you can't rent a movie in your hotel room like you can in 99% of the hotels in America?? Tired from walking and waiting in endless lines, it would've been great to kick back in the room and watch a movie. Also, $2.50 for a soda from the machine at the end of the hall is highway robbery!! Enough to make you want to stay at the Hilton instead. Heaven forbid that you need to call the front desk for anything -- you may never actually have your call answered, but you will spend at least 5 minutes listening to voice messaging. It's faster to walk to the front desk and ask your question. Service is slow and mediocre.

    Now for the long version....
    We arrived last Thursday night and checked into the Disneyland hotel. We're very glad we choose this hotel over the new Grand Californian -- more on that later. I'm glad that we got a room away from Downtown Disney because it generates considerable noise. We were facing the pool in the Sierra tower. Nice large room although someone needs to redecorate it. I loved the TV cabinet with the drawing of an initial plan for the original DL, but nothing in the room seemed to have been intended to go together. The fabrics looked tired -- from too many washes, I suppose.

    We slept really well, thanks to the wonderful mattress and a room on the "good side" of the building. Ahhhh! Then I was up at 5:30 to go for Fantasmic tickets. I left about 6 to go to Guest Relations and it had started to drizzle. I got there (no one told me I would have to walk -- the monorail doesn't start until 8 AM!)and there was one couple standing in line to get tickets just for the 2 of them. I asked how they knew to arrive early, they said that this was what they were told by Disneyland City (Town?) Hall CMs. The 3 of us were the only ones there until my husband showed up at 7:30. About 5 minutes before they opened the window, another person showed up and this was at 8:30. The wheather predictions were that it would rain all day, but I was told by the CM there that they would not cancel the show for rain -- Not! Interestingly enough, when they sold us tickets we were not number 3 & 4, but numbers 8 & 9! There were 5 people on the list before the ticket office opened! We were told that these people were corporate sponsors or something like that (???).

    It was cold and rainy, but this seemed to be a deterrent for many potential attendees so we relished the ability to stop on Main Street for hot chocolate and pastry. I must say that Disney serves the best hot cocoa I have ever had!! Belissimo!!

    Only Fantasyland and Tomorrowland were open for early entry, so we rode 5 or 6 rides and then headed to Adventureland to wait for them to drop the rope at 10. There was a mad dash for the Indianna Jones ride, so we followed the crowd although our original intent was to get reservations at Blue Bayou. The ride was terrific, so we stopped to pick up a fast pass to ride again later and went to Blue Bayou, Pirates and the Haunted Mansion before returning.

    The sun came out at 10:30 and stayed out for the next couple of hours so we rode the coasters that were open, except Splash, since we didn't want to get any wetter! It drizzled a couple of other times in the afternoon, but we went back to our room for a nap at about 2. Then we went to dinner at Blue Bayou -- not as good as I remember it, but I do like those Mint Juleps. I had the evening special which was a chicken and crab dish. My husband had crab cakes. Nothing special in either case.

    I forgot to mention that we stopped at Naples in Downtown Disney on the way back to the room and had a late lunch. I was under impressed with the food for the price, but the service was phenomenal. This is probably because there were 25 employees (we counted them, but maybe there were more that were behind the scenes?) and only 33 customers at this point. I had a salad and my husband had lasagne. The salad had too much greens and the lasagne didn't have enough cheese.

    After dinner at the Blue Bayou, we rode the Indy ride again and then headed to the gallery for Fantasmic. It started to rain. The CM in the gallery said the show would probably be canceled.
    We waited hopefully and even though it stopped raining at 8:30, they cancelled the show. Our consolation was getting served sugary desserts while sitting on the parlor floor - ugh! We got a full refund, but what we really wanted was to see the show without having to get up at 5:30 AM again! We never saw Fantasmic <IMG WIDTH="15" HEIGHT="15" SRC="/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif" alt="red face">

    On Saturday, we headed for DCA. We entered the park and waded through the swarm of bodies to get to California Screamin' --- we were immediately disappointed. We got a fast pass to think about it, but never used it. We walked around Paradise Pier feeling aghast at this new theme park almost ready to call it a day at 10:30 AM. We saw the ride board and California Soarin' already had a 130 minute wait and no fast passes left.

    We stood in line for an hour and 15 to ride the river rapids ride. 14 out of 17 people we asked thought that the rock statue was a wolf. One person thought it was just a pile of rocks, one person thought it was a coyote, and the other person said that they had been told it was a bear, but didn't believe it. I think they should start referring to it as the wolf --BTW, I heard one of the CMs tell someone it was a wolf. I asked her about it telling her that I thought it was suppose to be a bear and she said yes, but since everyone seemed to think it was a wolf, that was what she now told people. It kind of ruins that "Bear Left" sign! And no one can figure out where the stuffed bears in the gift shops are coming from!

    The river rapids ride was rather dull -- again, no imagineering evidence here. Where was the scenery? Where were the back drops?

    We decided to go get some food and we went to see the Bug's Life. It was just as cute as I remember from Animal Kingdom until it got a bit intense with the "evil bugs". When the spiders dropped from the ceiling, the little girl sitting next to us shrieked in sheer terror! This needs to be toned down so as not to ruin an otherwise entertaining event. I mentioned this to one of the CMs and he told me that DCA was not intended for children!!!! :eek:

    We then got very lucky and only had to wait 40 minutes to get into California Soarin'!!!! We got the very best seats, but didn't realize this until we went back later. We were in the theater to the left of the front of the building, in the first row of the first (from the line) set of seats. It was like flying without a plane!! Except for those breaks to new scenery -- not smooth, but then maybe it was the best way to keep the view interesting, it was a sheer delight. What we found when we went back that night and rode again was that on other rows you could see the feet of the people above you -- I think the ride would be improved if you everyone was flat in front of the screen so you'd have to turn in order to see other people. This would make it a better flying experience for those who aren't on the front row.
    It was an out of body experience and a definite must see!!!

    Later in the afternoon we went to the Hollywood section. The SuperStar limo is pretty lame -- card board cut outs with flourescent paint is not my idea of imagineering. We didn't go to see the Muppet Movie since we had seen it at MGM and the line was about an hour long. At 4, there was a 3 hour line for California Soarin' -- the obvious hit of the park.

    We also saw the California history movie with Whoopi and while it was an entertaining movie and we liked the talking statue, it could've been a lot more Disney with some additional imagineering.

    Nothing else interested us here, so we went to Downtown Disney. The big disappointment here is no spa to get pampered in while on vacation. We got some beignets from the Jazz kitchen which were good, but my advice is only to get one order -- there are 3 large beignets in each bag!

    The candy store is fun, but the candy they make is awful!! Unless you happen to like rubbery fudge and sugary chocolate, I wouldn't recommend it.

    The World of Disney has almost everything you could want to buy from Disney stores, but that's almost....I saw monkey's in adventureland, but I couldn't buy them here. I did get some lotion and bath gel that smelled really good.

    We then ducked in the Grand Californian hotel to look around and go to dinner. The hotel is flat out ugly on the outside and I heard several people comment on this in DCA. It's better on the inside but is missing the amenities to make it a luxury hotel. For example (and this is just an example to illustrate what I mean), in the women's bathroom there are wood doors to what appear to be private commode stalls as one might expect to find in a luxury hotel. However, when you step into the stall you find a movie theater type commode with the cheap side walls. The luxury is only a facade! The lobby looks a lot like the Wilderness Lodge, with all the fun stuff removed -- no imagineering here. But then I have to remember that DCA is NOT for children!

    We stopped to view the menus for Napa Rose, where we had a ressie, and the Storybook Cafe. We decided we liked the menu for the Storybook Cafe better, so we canceled the ressie and ate at the Cafe! It was a terrific choice. I had the vegetable soup and my DH had the chicken quesadillas to start. Yummm! Then I had a pasta dish -- can't recall the name -- with artichoke hearts and fresh veggies. My DH had Frittatas. Again it was all very delicious! The service was excellent and we got to sit next to a warm fire. We were very pleased! :D

    That night we went back to DL and rode Splash Mountain and some other rides. We also rode the Indy ride again and the Matterhorn again. We picked up so toys for the kids.

    My DH had to leave Sunday morning, but I went back to the parks later in the day. I got to ride California Soarin' a third time. :cool:

    I rode the Mullhollan madness and it was just like the cheapy roller coasters that they used to set up in carnivals at shopping mall parking lots when I was a kid. No imagineering here!

    I went to dinner at Brennan's Jazz Restaurant on Tuesday night with some of my co-workers who were attending the same conference as I. We decided to order a lot of appetizers, salads and desserts. We had the coconut shrimp (2 orders), crab cakes and the spinach dip (spinach or artichoke?). I had the tomato salad. Then we had banana's foster for dessert. It was all very tasty. Service was good, but some of the staff seemed rather inexperienced. I really liked this restaurant! We didn't get to hear the Jazz musicians though since we could only get a table upstairs without a ressie -- be sure to get that ressie if you want to hear music!

    Well, that's it -- I hope this is helpful to some of you! :cool: :cool:

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  3. benolathe

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    Wow - thanks for the the detail in your report!

    Sounds as though you were not impressed with DCA at all. Too bad they didn't put more "Disney" thought into the rides. From what I've read (the Unofficial Guide), it sounds as though Paradise Pier is simply an amusement park from early California days when is EXACTLY what Walt was trying to improve on when he designed Disneyland!

    It also sounds as though about all of the rides in Paradise Pier are very slow-loading. Doesn't sound as though they put much thought into "people moving." That is one thing that I was very impressed with on our trip to WDW last year - the Disney folks are experts on moving crowds! Sounds as though they've dropped the ball on that one at DCA.

    Anyway, we will be at DL & DCA the middle of March. Do you think we should plan on more than one day at DCA or will one day be enough? My kids are 8 and 10 - but, DCA wasn't built for them!?

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  4. toodles

    toodles Earning My Ears

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    When you go to DCA, I would run to the fast pass machine for California Soarin'. Then plan to do whatever else your kids want to do. They may not be disappointed with Paradise Pier, since they are too young to understand what Disney did for amusement parks.

    The first time I went to WDW, back in the 70s, I was only going for my son's sake and I was pleasantly surprised. It was not the ambiance of the typical amusement park as I expected. I expected my son to be happy either way, but as an adult, I prefer the clean, crowd controlled Disney parks!

    DCA has the same queuing techniques, for the most part, but no imaginative diversions for you while you stand on line. The bigger problem seems to be that they allow more people than the park was designed to hold. Of course, I think every Annual pass holder in CA was there this past weekend!

    Anyway, I'd let the kids define their own fun. Amusement parks should be for kids!! I think at 8 and 10, they will be okay with the scary spiders.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Interestingly enough, when they sold us tickets we were not number 3 & 4, but numbers 8 & 9! There were 5 people on the list before the ticket office opened! We were told that these people were corporate sponsors or something like that (???).
    [/quote]

    These were people staying at the DLR hotels, like you. You could have gotten ressies at the hotel guest services for Fantasmic and Blue Bayou with out waiting in any lines.


    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Paradise Pier in DCA -- if I wanted to go to Six Flags, I could've saved a lot of money by staying in Texas. Did they fire all the imagineers??! [/quote]

    Pretty brutal considering you didnt go on "the" E ticket ride of the area.

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think they should start referring to it as the wolf [/quote]

    If they called it a wolf, people would say it looks like a bear! If you consider the shape of a wolves head vs. a bear, they are similar

    Does Mickey really look like a mouse?

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The SuperStar limo is pretty lame -- card board cut outs with flourescent paint is not my idea of imagineering[/quote]

    Its the same stuff old Walt put in Fantasyland.

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> When the spiders dropped from the ceiling, the little girl sitting next to us shrieked in sheer terror [/quote]

    What? Is this too much themeing now?

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The big disappointment here is no spa to get pampered in while on vacation. [/quote]

    The Californian has a spa: "Eureka Springs Health Club
    Keep up with your exercise regimen at our fully equipped workout facility. Then relax with a pampering massage or replenish your spirit with a steam or dry sauna.
    "

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I had a salad and my husband had lasagne. The salad had too much greens and the lasagne didn't have enough cheese.[/quote]:confused: What kinda salad had too much greens? Tons of cheese in Lasagne is not "California Cuisine."

    Thanks for the report, but I think someone missed the point of what DCA is supposed to be.

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  6. toodles

    toodles Earning My Ears

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    My point is that the current Disney management misses the mark on what makes Disney theme parks special. DCA is no better than 6 flags and I won't ride their main attraction either! I don't have to ride the ride to know that I don't like the atmosphere of the park.

    The rides I like at DL are Pirates and Peter Pan and they have a lot of "animatronics" which is what makes them so special to so many people. Sure there is a certain amount of other types of scenery, but I can't really say that I think any of the rides in DL are as dull as SuperStar Limo! Regardless of what the scenery is made of, there is nothing special about this ride.

    Spiders are scary to kids -- Disney is suppose to be the happiest place on earth! I think you missed the point.

    If you like DCA, that's your opinion. I think I'm just as entitled to mine and that's what a trip report is all about. Get over it.

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  7. calbayBWV

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    I respect very much your opinion, thats why I a commented on it. However I think you made an error in judgement and should re-think some of your comments.

    It is obvious to me you know nothing about what Disney IS.

    To compare Six Flags to Disney is like comparing a Yugo to a Mercedes.

    And you DO need to ride the rides to judge a theme park.

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Spiders are scary to kids -- Disney is suppose to be the happiest place on earth! I think you missed the point.
    [/quote]

    So, I think all parents out there who want to protect their children from the evil spider, should stay away from all Disney parks from now on.

    Spiders, satanic references, degradation to women, a talking Bill Clinton, and other creepy crawlies can be found at every single Disney park. The list of "bad" not for children things is a long one, if you want to preach the "protect the children" or "not for children" rantings.

    I could easily argue why all Disney is not for children, (although I do not believe it to be the case) but I dont think you would get it.

    With all the rotten stuff in the world I am just simply offended when folks spew their venom all over something that is just plain "good".
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  8. disneydork

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    Now now Calbay...I don't exactly agree with all of toodles trip report either, having been to DCA. But I will come to his support being a lover of Disney who can also wash the "pixie dust" out of my eyes once and a while to realize Disney can do wrong sometimes. Lots of people including myself have been to DCA and don't like the theming, certain attractions, the restaurants, etc... It's definitely not had five star reviews all the way across the board.

    In particular though, toodles comment about the spiders at Tough to be a Bug perplexed me as it did you Calbay. The "evil spiders" also exist at the attraction in the Animal Kingdom, they shouldn't be a new thing to toodles. Both AK and DCA warn parents profusely that the attraction might frighten young children, they warn more-so than some of the "thrill" rides.

    All in all, I think toodles got out of Disney what he or she wanted to. I wouldn't be so bold as to explain to toodles or anyone else what Disney IS. I think everyone gets something different out of it. And hey, look at it this way Calbay, if toodles didn't like DCA...it's just one less anti-Disney fan to crowd up the park when you go.;)

    I'd love to hear what you think of it once you go...I always enjoy reading trip reports.


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    I didn't read any venom spewing. All I read was a very informative and interesting OPINION of DCA.
    And thank you for it! :)

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  11. disney13

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    I agree. I didn't read any venom in the trip report either. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I read trip reports to learn different peoples view's on Disney parks.

    Well done on your trip report Toodles!!!

    Andy :) :) :) :)

    P.S. This is just my opinion!

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  12. toodles

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    Thanks to all for appreciating that we are all individuals with our own opinions. I don't expect everyone to agree with mine. Boards like this are intended for "opinions" and discouraging differing opinions detracts from the value of the boards.

    Isn't the Internet a wonderful thing! It is the best source of information going and I know that I typically read multiple opinions in an attempt to discern what mine might be, but ultimately we all have to make up our own minds.

    The first time I went to WDW in 1979, I did not expect to like it! I was going in order to take my 4 year old son. I was pleasantly surprised that it was not like other amusement parks! I've been a Disney fan ever since (well, I've always been a fan of the animation). I've recommended the parks to others who've told me they don't like amusement parks or other theme parks. It is a unique experience!

    I see Paradise Pier and much of DCA as an erosion of that magic and I think it is a real shame. At the same time, I've been encouraged by other resent additions like Animal Kingdom and the Indiana Jones ride. I guess they can't always be magic.

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    The Eureka Springs Health Club is NOT a spa. They may have massage therapy, but this is not the same as a full service spa. If there is a place that has the ability to give spa pedicures and manicures and facials, then the Disney staff we asked in downtown Disney didn't know about it.
    I think a spa would be a good addition to Downtown Disney, but then I don't know as much about their demographics as they do! I did have another woman ask me if I knew whether they had a spa.

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    Nice work, toodles, a very full and honest report. Having just been myself, I am very keen to hear what people think about the park and I can understand your reservations about some areas.
    Personally, I find a lot of it more entertaining than I expected, but that's just the usual pre-conception stuff. I think the park will polarise opinion quite a lot because it is pretty different to DL and the Magic Kingdom, and it IS short of the audi-animatronic Imagineering that makes the likes of Pirates so special. However, I do wonder if they had built a brand new ride called It's A Small World for DCA, would people say it's a pretty lame effort? That could be the case with things like SuperStar Limo. I agree 100% about Mulholland, it doesn't look finished to me, and that IS a surprise. As I say, your reports are clear and honest, and I think people can get a good idea of what they will like and dislike about the new park (and, let's face it, no-one likes everything about any one park anyway). Your comments about what some of the CMs told you is a little worrying, though. It sounds like there are a lot of new staff in place who haven't been fully briefed on some apsects of the park. Let's hope they quickly pick up the slack now the park is open.

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    I think the problem is that many post opinions and are shocked that everyone doesnt agree with them.

    If someone disagrees with a poster they should post it, it is not bad, it simply presents an alternate position.

    I also agree that one should ride the rides at park to give a review or keep their bashing at home. That would be like walking through a restraurant and declaring it bad without eating the food and the same goes for the hotel. Before you bash the Californian, shell out $300.00 a night a then post if it was worth is or not.

    You can argue the definition of a spa, but how often do you go to a spa anyway?

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  16. scrappinmom_2000

    scrappinmom_2000 Remembering 9/11/01

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    I'm intrigued by your comment about getting Fantasmic reservations as a DLR guest. We stayed at DLR 3 times last year & were assured by hotel/park that access to Fantasmic tix were only by enduring the early a.m. line...what am I missing?

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    I haven't been to DL or DCA yet, hope to go this year. I did like the comment about It's a Small World, if built today. You see I remember 'the' original ride built for the NY World's Fair. Back then it was not considered lame given the context of its environment. But now, who knows? How would one compare this ride to Indiana or Buzz or Alien Encounter. From an adults point of view it may be 'lame'. But what about from a child's point of view.

    This is part of the misconception about DCA and other things Disney. DCA from everything I have read was built to be unique, a representation of California. It is not DL or WDW. So parts of it do not match our adult perceptions of a Disney theme park. What's wrong with trying something new? If Disney were to build a DNYA would it not be appropriate to include Coney Island. To capture the flavor/feel of the NY experience it would be a most include otherwise something is missing. That is how I see Paradise Pier. It represents the Californai pier experience. Yes, Walt was trying something different when DL was built. But the point is, he was trying for something different just like DCA now is trying something different.

    Some will like; some will not. But horrors of horrors, I know people who don't like WDW and have been their just once and will not go again. So we each have our own tastes.

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    if anyone can read my 2/11 question about getting Fantasmic ressies as a DLR guest.

    thank you

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    I would also like to know if you can get Fantasmic reservations without standing in line at 6 am if you're staying at one of the Disneyland Resorts. Anytime I skip waking up at 5:30 a.m. is a good thing.
     
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    Toodles, thanks for the great review. Much of what you say confirms what I have been reading about this park. We have reservations for June, but are seriously considering cutting back our time at DL and seeing Knotts and Universal.

    As far as reservations to Fantasmic priority seating, I have never read or heard that one can make reservations from, or through, your hotel. I suspect your take of these being corporate reservations is correct.

    Again, thanks for your excellent post. Disregard the nay-sayers. Yours is most likely the most accurate, unflavored by prejudice.
     
  21. disneydork

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    storey, to answer your question with 99% certainty, you can not purchase or reserve tickets for the Fantasmic dessert/viewing through any of the Disneyland hotels (unless you are staying on the concierge levels). In that case, concierge will happily book the ressies for you. If not, I am sorry to say, you'll be in line waiting like everyone else. I hope calbay reads this post before he goes so he doesn't miss out! :D

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