I Can't Believe I'm Going to Vote for Kerry

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by BuckNaked
No, I heard him say that. And then I heard him say later in the same debate that U.S. military action must pass a global test.

So which is it? Clearly it can't be both.

Last night in a stump speech I heard him say we "must think globally, the world is watching". He has had the same "vision" for 30 years, I don't see why he would change now.

 

[gometros]

One is not mutually exclusive of the other. All he is saying is that we need to be responsible in our actions, not like our current president, who went in at the wrong time and the wrong place.

 

[Island_Lauri]

Things you have to believe to be a Republican TODAY:

1. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

2. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

3. Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

4. A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multinational corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

5. The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

6. If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

7. A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

8. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

9. HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

10. Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but Creationism should be taught in schools.

11. A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense.

12. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

13. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

14. The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's driving record is none of our business.

15. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

16. You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have the right to adopt.

17. What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest (smoke pot), but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant (snort coke and become an alcoholic).

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by gometros
One is not mutually exclusive of the other.

I believe that they are. If a candidate says that he will not allow any other country to hold veto power over our defense, then that certainly doesn't leave room for any type of global test, does it? What happens if the necessary action doesn't pass the "global test"? At that point, the veto has been exercised.

It seems to me that they are mutually exclusive.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by MossMan
Here I am, registered Republican, stalwart conservative and I’m about to cast a vote for someone like Kerry. What an amazing election.

And I know I’m not the only person who finds themselves in this unfamiliar predicament. I have worked on a few campaigns over the years (always for Republicans) and have formed a few grudging friendships with some of the Democrat volunteers who have worked opposite me. So I meet a couple of these folks a couple of weeks back. It seems that both of these longtime Democrats are voting for Bush. I could hardly believe it. They, of course, were just as surprised to find me supporting Kerry.

I sure am uncomfortable with my decision, as they are with there’s. But you do the best with what you believe. Having always automatically voted Republican in the past, I think it was good for me to spend some time as an “uncommitted” voter this time around. And though I will vote for a Democrat, I’ll still support my President if Bush is re-elected.

I do know this, though: If Bush is elected America will do just fine in the end. And if Kerry is elected, America will do just fine in the end.

All those sweating tomorrow’s election results should remember that. This country has prospered like no other nation on earth this last century. And this has all been accomplished because of (or in spite of) the leadership of our two main political parties. This isn’t about to change now.

It doesn't surprise me at all, MossMan. I could see happening to you what was happening to many people in this country. Once you took a second look at Bush, you never saw him in the same light again.


Btw, nice to see you again.

 

[acepepper]

Originally posted by dmadman43



I'm also more likely to be killed in a car crash than I am in a fire. Does that mean I don't put smoke detectors in my house? I'm also more likely to be killed in a car crash than in an airplane. Does that mean I don't wear a seatbelt on an airplane? I'm also more likely to be killed in a car crash than I am by lightning. Does that mean I don't seek shelter during a lightning storm? I'm also more likely to be killed in a car crash than in a hurricane or tornado. Does that mean I don't heed evacuation and shelter warnings when one is approaching?

The answer to all those questions is obviously no, but then Bush isn't using any of those things as the central plank of his re-election strategy, is he.

 

[gr8tpanther]

Originally posted by MermaidsMom
I do know this, though: If Bush is elected America will do just fine in the end. And if Kerry is elected, America will do just fine in the end.

In elections past I used to believe that too, until September 11, 2001. Now, it matters more than ever that our leader remains President Bush.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by acepepper
The answer to all those questions is obviously no, but then Bush isn't using any of those things as the central plank of his re-election strategy, is he.

But the concept still applies. You point seems to be that since one is more likely to be killed in a car than by a terrorist we shouldn't worry about terrorism very much.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by Island_Lauri
Things you have to believe to be a Republican TODAY:

1. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

2. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

3. Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

4. A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multinational corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

5. The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

6. If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

7. A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

8. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

9. HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

10. Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but Creationism should be taught in schools.

11. A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense.

12. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

13. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

14. The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's driving record is none of our business.

15. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

16. You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have the right to adopt.

17. What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest (smoke pot), but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant (snort coke and become an alcoholic).

This has to be the most moronic post from a liberal yet.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by oracle
Could we back the American patriotism train up for just a second here? Reality check time. Before you go patting yourself on the back, maybe you should remember that America didn't lead the efforts in either World War. They were the last man in both times. For most of the world, the First World War began in 1914, and the Second War started in 1939. Not to underestimate your contribution, but don't pretend that you were leading the way.

How much progress was being made until we got involved?

So, besides the US and the UK, who is leading the fight in the war on terrorism? Who was leading the fight during the cold war?

 

[acepepper]

Originally posted by dmadman43
But the concept still applies. You point seems to be that since one is more likely to be killed in a car than by a terrorist we shouldn't worry about terrorism very much.

Not at all. Terrorism should be taken seriously, but it shouldn't be blown out of all proportion and used as a means to scare certain gullible sections of the electorate, into voting for a certain candidate, as the Bush campaign has clearly done.

 

[Laurajean1014]

If you are seriously voting for Kerry. My advice to you:

Put your head between your legs and kiss your @ss goodbye!

 

[caitycaity]

Put your head between your legs and kiss your @ss goodbye!

yet more of the politics of fear. nice.

 

[Crankyshank]

Lovely. Just freaking lovely

 

[Peter Pirate]

I thoughtthe United States was a smart, tolerable and peace loving nation...I've been hibernating awhile, what happened?

 

[Laurajean1014]

Ouch. It seems Kerry supporters and libs have no sense (of humor that is).......

 

[Paradise]

Originally posted by dmadman43
This has to be the most moronic post from a liberal yet.

Now that you have identified what the post is all about, it is no wonder that 50% of Americans and the a majority of the World feel that we have a MORON in the white house. bush speaks English as well as a Mexican who just came across the Texas border for the first time.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by BuckNaked
I've seen nothing that indicates this statement is true. There comes a time when a nation has to do what is in their best interest, whether their "allies" like it or not. IMO, Kerry has given every indication that he sees no such line.

That's because you've made up your mind and you refuse to see that line.

Kerry has said, too numerous times to mention, that he will not place this nation's security at the mercy of another nation. He could not be clearer than that.

Fine, you're entitled to your opinion, and you can "read between the lines" all you want, but Kerry has most definitely given every indication and has said it definitively, that he would not place this nation's security in someone else's hand.

Those are the facts, which you can choose to believe or choose not to believe, but that doesn't mean the facts don't exist.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
Last night in a stump speech I heard him say we "must think globally, the world is watching". He has had the same "vision" for 30 years, I don't see why he would change now.

Yanno, the Bushies have been saying that 9/11 changed everything...........except when it comes to John Kerry. For the Bushies, what Kerry did 30 is completely relevant to today, but what Bush did 30 years ago, assuming anyone can find out what that is, is ancient history. Make up your minds.

Next, the war on terror is a global conflict, but this administration still has the pre-9/11 mentality that you go after a nation state to fight terrorism. That's fine when Bush did the correct thing in Afghanistan, but not in Iraq. The end result of the invasion of Iraq is our mobile military is no longer mobile and is bogged down in a regional conflict to the detriment of the global conflict.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by Peter Pirate
I thoughtthe United States was a smart, tolerable and peace loving nation...I've been hibernating awhile, what happened?

A political machine in the WH figured out they couldn't win an election without the scare tactics. What else do they have, their record?