Well, I disagree about your bullying. Lots of one and two sentence posts disagreeing with others gets old. Your tone comes across as arrogant and obnoxious. You are tiresome when you repeat the same stuff over and over and do not actually have a conversation. We got your point.Too bad you refuse to acknowledge others' points.
I will probably never buy a GM or a Chrysler made car either. I think they suck and they have for a long time. A Subaru, sure, they've been a consistent quality car in several of their lines. But like the KIA, a Subaru is also a different class of car. With some companies, while the type of car might be similar, they are still apples and oranges. There is no way an Audi A4 convertible is comparable to a Pontiac whatever convertible. That is the point a few folks have tried to make and you do not get. You are missing the point that Toyota Sienna and Honday Odyssey have very long track records of being safe and reliable minivans. KIA does not yet have that kind of reputation. For those of us who remember the fires, tip overs and other problems KIA had when it came out, KIA is and always wpill be, an inexpensive car that has a lot of problems in its history. It's going to take a lot more good ratings to lessen those first impressions.
You "think" they suck. That's not a fact. That's an opinion. The FACT is the GM is making good cars again. Chrysler still has a way to go. But the Chrysler of 2 years ago is not the Chrysler of today. I completely understand the how and why of people's perceptions with regards to auto manufacturers. Again, it's funny how people jump all over Chrysler/GM, while completely ignoring the troubles of toyota and honda.
And yes, comparing a luxury vehicle like Audi to a pontiac is apple and oranges (although performance wise, the pontiac solstice has been clocked faster). Comparing Kia to Honda is not. It's more akin to comparing a Green Apple to Red Apple.
You pay a premium for the "H" badge on grill/hood of the vehicle. Just because it has that badge, does not automatically make it a better product. I understand that they have a better track record. Kia has made tremendous strides. Those in the auto industry recognize this. Until the rest of car buyers wake up and see it for themselves, they will continue to be second tier to the big two japanse producers.
Those who are aware of the quality they put out now, buy them at a much lower price and pocket the savings.
If you aren't one of them, so be it.
So in the end, it seems you don't get my point. Seems to me you wanted to do some bullying of you own. I see you have Honda. Now I understand you defensiveness