Free Dining Discussion (And a Whole Lot More) - Part 4

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Thank you for the thoughtful and thorough input on FD for this fall, Black. Personally, RO worked well for us this year, but we may have chosen FD had it been available for our time/resort choices.

I would love a deal to come out that truly "Wows!" me and makes a trip this year a possibility. We don't expect to visit again until 2015 at the earliest (boy, does that sound far away!!), but a great discount could make it happen. We received an incredible PIN many years ago, and would love to find some of that "magic" again.

What else could they do aside from the room and FD discounts? It would be interesting to see a new marketing approach. I remember back when they had airline relationships for discounted flights. Something like that would be fabulous for us!
 
Hey Black,

Do you think they'll offer a FD pin code for April-Early June? I really miss my Disney Detinations emails!!!

Oh, and that "hint, hint"... how far off do you think that code will go? Early summer?

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge, as it makes so many of us excited!
 
Any thoughts on if already having a bounce back offer booked will kill my (already slim) chance of getting a FD pin?
 
I am feeling the need to stir the waters concerning September 2014. I've been in full writing mode of a couple of magazine articles, but now find myself with time on my hands to dwell and observe.

Who's in?

Interesting comment... My mickey ears are up,and waiting to hear lol
 


Good point on how limiting it is becoming. This year, I could not book a standard room to get it at CO, had to book a water view to get it for my dates. And that was checking on the first release date. Kept checking availability, and no standard room was available in any mod resort for my dates.
 
Easter is one of the busiest times of the year for Walt Disney World. Discounts will be extremely difficult to come by during this time. Christmas-New Year and Easter are two of the busiest times, which often finds signs saying "Magic Kingdom Closed due to Capacity" in front of the park.

Unfortunately I know this all to well because I am a teacher and we always put our break with Easter.. :-(. There has been a couple years where I have landed a room only discount. I just didn't know if you had any insight.. ;-). Thanks so much!
 
To the European specialist:
Do you think the UK Site will offering FD for October, like they did last year 8I guess it was in January or February offered).
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I wanted to finally share some thoughts for 2014 and how it's shaping up in terms of discounts and promotions. First I will share thoughts on promos and discounts, then I'll share things that could alter those. Finally, I will share how we all can help shape the discounts to come...yes, there are things we can do. Are you with me? Ok, lets go.

Free dining is without a doubt the most popular and most anticipated discount of the whole year, and that's no secret to Disney. Free dining was first offered for the month of September (and usually the last week or so of August) due to two factors....(1) the peak of hurricane season...and (2) kids returning to school. These two factors kept September as the least crowded month of all for Disney, so they threw this offer out and have been every year since. As the economy went south, Disney saw free dining as an offer to entice visitation, and offered it during other months. This is why, even as the economy returned to (somewhat) normal, free dining has continued to be offered in September....because that month has far different reasons than the others.

Many of you remember in May when free dining was released, how mad it was calling in to book. Phones were flooded, the website crashed, it was an absolute onslaught of bookings. Even with free dining and as popular as it is, September was STILL the least crowded month of a record breaking attendance year (with the lone exception of the Villains event at Studios). At Magic Kingdom, the longest wait time I encountered was Splash Mountain, at 5 minutes....Little Mermaid and other rides were a walk-on. The longest time I saw was Midway Mania with 45 minutes...which is usually up to 3 times that amount. Soarin' and Test Track...walk-ons each time I went.

Disney has also been lately trying to bring down the discounts and replace some with others....such as Stay/Play/Dine. This promotion will replace most of the free dining during the non-September months. However, I see free dining sticking around in September due to factors mentioned above. Disney MUST get their bookings for September, which is the least booked time of year....and without free dining, attendance would be much lower than ever. NO other discount could or would book even close. So its either stick with a proven winner, or replace it with something that saves just as much. Remember, a standard discount isn't enough for September....they must sweeten the pot even more.

There are, as I mentioned above, a few things that can swing things the other way. First, if MyMagic+ falls flat on its face, that would be a huge game changer. By "flat on its face", I mean attendance drops. I don't see this happening, as I feel people will still travel to Disney regardless. The thing I could see happening is with their competition. With the opening of Harry Potter phase 2, along with a Value resort at Universal, these could have implications. They will do one of two things...either they will take attendance away from Disney, or actually increase Disney's attendance as more come to Orlando to visit this new area at Universal...the rising tide effect. IF Disney sees a dramatic drop in attendance, only then would they dig into their "free dining" chest for October-December.

Now, what can you all do to help this along. Believe it or not, you can do something...and that is....don't book a reservation. We've long discussed this on these boards, but not booking a reservation is the most sure fire way of getting Disney to offer a discount. The reason is simple, Disney offers discounts due to low bookings. When everyone books a room expecting a discount, they are actually filling rooms, thus not enticing Disney to offer up anything. I'm not sure if you guys know this or not, but this has happened recently.

Do you guys remember a few months back when the room discounts were one of the rumored promos to be coming? When this originally leaked, all looked good up until a few days beforehand....then came news that resorts such as Riverside and All Star Movies would be excluded? Bookings were strong on these resorts, thus no discount was offered. Remember...booking early gives you zero benefit for a discount when it goes live. You still have to call, it still has to show availability, and they have to add it to your room only if the above criteria are met. You are just as likely to get your resort room choice by calling that morning than by booking months ahead.

So guys, please...if you want a promo to drop, don't book anything the promo is released, unless you fully plan to go regardless of a discount or not. Now, if you have a bounceback or PIN offer, then absolutely jump on that as soon as possible. I always said, always ALWAYS do the bounceback. I currently have a free dining reservation for September, and the bounceback even offered a wider date range than public offers.

So in short...I see free dining for September only, similar to 2013....which would equate roughly to Sept 1-24, 2014 (give or take). Beyond that the best to hope for is stay/play/dine, which isn't bad, just not quite as good. I do however see evidence of the room discounts continuing. In fact, some more should be dropping very soon (hint hint).

Another thing that will happen even more is PIN codes for everything from room discounts, to even free dining, which many of you have been received in the past, as Disney uses this means of discount more and more. So please feel free to share the news with us, but remember, only you and you alone can use your PIN code.

That is my crystal ball for what 2014 could have in store. We've been seeing this pull-back for some time now, so it's probably not much of a surprise.

So, thoughts? Would stay/play/dine be enough to entice you? Do you prefer the room discounts anyway? Is free dining the only way you can go this year? I'd be curious to hear.

Our family went this past October for our first trip. We were able to get free dining because of you and these boards. We had an absolutely wonderful time and are a little spoiled because of all the fabulous dining (and the discount) and we don't want to go back without it so we will probably just go less frequently instead of yearly as we would like. Lucky for next year I did book a BB which I would not have known about with you guys since nothing was in the room. Just my two cents! Thanks for keeping us informed!
 
We will only go this year with free dining. Last year we didn't get a pin ( we go in June) and it was so much more. With discounts less and less we have decided to try somewhere else. Come on free dining pin!
 
So, thoughts? Would stay/play/dine be enough to entice you? Do you prefer the room discounts anyway? Is free dining the only way you can go this year? I'd be curious to hear.

I have always done RO booking. Money wise it just worked out better for me to buy separately and to pay OOP for food. (truth be told I have a weird eating habits anyway so regimented amounts are not my forte).

I did Free Dining last fall (and found this great thread so that's a PLUS) mainly because I was going with my mom and planned some TS and one Event, we were staying at a moderate (and upgraded to a better room). Booking free dining actually saved me a bit on the food costs. Not a lot but over $100.

Being a single (with maybe 1 other adult attending with me) I just can not make S/P/D work out money wise. On my march trip I figured out that over 3 days (+ dinner my arrival day and breakfast my departure day) I'd have to eat almost 150-175 dollars worth of food. :scared: By myself. On the quick service plan no less. There is no way. Even if I decide to do a TS I'd have to pay OOP since my dining wouldn't cover it unless I upgraded and 4 TS and 4 CS plus snacks is more than I want to deal with. I tend to eat ala carte or snacks for breakfast and/or lunch and maybe do one actual meal per day. Even then I'm happy with CS as often as a TS.

I can see how S/P/D would still benefit families but it would not benefit me or the way I eat/tour.

Free Dining is the only discount that might entice me, and that mainly for convenience but if S/P/D is the offer, I'll stick to RO.

But NOT EVEN Free Dining could make me book September. (I really dislike the weather LOL).

My plans right now are to do WDW in March. I am trying to plan for Hawaii in Aug. I may not make it to WDW next fall at all.
 
But NOT EVEN Free Dining could make me book September. (I really dislike the weather LOL).

Now I'm scared! This is when we are going back - this year we went in October. What is wrong with the weather???
 
I sure wish that we could travel during ANY dates that fell under free dining. However, it's just not possible. So, I'll keep my fingers crossed that something/anything comes out that I can take advantage of for our May/June travel dates.
 
But NOT EVEN Free Dining could make me book September. (I really dislike the weather LOL). Now I'm scared! This is when we are going back - this year we went in October. What is wrong with the weather???

Some folks do not like the heat. The temps still average around 90 degrees. September is my favorite time of year and we were going then even before Free Dining. September has some of the lowest crowds, so you don't have to wait around in lines in the heat. Can quickly jump on a ride or dash into a restaurant to cool off. : )

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But NOT EVEN Free Dining could make me book September. (I really dislike the weather LOL).

Now I'm scared! This is when we are going back - this year we went in October. What is wrong with the weather???

Threats of Hurricanes aside, the weather is a usually bit more mild. However, this past September it was quite warm, upper 80s-lower 90s each day. I should mention that I've been in Orlando during a hurricane or two, it's really not much of a big deal since that far inland it's mainly rain and some wind...no storm surge, which is the real killer of hurricanes.
 
But NOT EVEN Free Dining could make me book September. (I really dislike the weather LOL).

Now I'm scared! This is when we are going back - this year we went in October. What is wrong with the weather???

It wasn't the hurricanes. :rotfl: Wind and water don't scare me.

It was very very muggy. It's totally doable, but I really dislike being hot and sticky and muggy weather is just not my favorite. There were a few days where the entire middle of my days were miserable for me. I actually don't mind rain and tend to just tour through it.

I like late Oct. It's still hot in mid afternoon but workable and the mornings and evenings (when I tend to tour) are mild and pleasant.

Don't let it scare you. Just be prepared to adjust your days, wear light clothes (either bring extras or plan on laundry because clothes are stinky yucky pretty quick and a change of clothes mid day is almost a must) and drink tons of water.
 
September is great except for the humidity. We try and go every September because we love the low crowds. Like others have said, you van always go into a building or rode to escape it. Also don't forget about the water parks! Crowds are lighter there as well! Enjoy!
 
Easter is one of the busiest times of the year for Walt Disney World. Discounts will be extremely difficult to come by during this time. Christmas-New Year and Easter are two of the busiest times, which often finds signs saying "Magic Kingdom Closed due to Capacity" in front of the park.


Last year (actually, still this year), they offered discounts starting the Tuesday after Easter. Hoping they at least do the same for 2014. If they do, I guess we'll have to do two reservations as we're already booked to arrive on Monday. Would love free dining, but not expecting that at all. More realistically, I'm hoping for maybe a 30% RO discount.
 
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