As a longtime DISBoard reader (and now first-time poster), I'm really surprised at some of the comments I've read throughout multiple discussions here. More specifically - calling the Fantasyland expansion and the Avatar projects flawed / blown or trying to compare them to WWOHP. Let's take some steps back on what has happened over the past few years and discuss Disney's theme park strategy to this point. Granted, it's only my opinion, but there is some simple logic to follow here.
We probably all agree - WWOHP was a serious kick to Orlando Disney's ego. Beyond the success - if there is one demographic Disney would like to grow, its the Tween / Teen sector (boys, especially). Some of Disney's related programing is very good and Pixar has helped tremendously. But let's face facts - if I could morph back into a 9-14 year old boy, I'm zapping bad guys with my wand at WWOHP, not "letting it go" with Anna and Elsa. Since my parents know that and (most likely) flipping the bill for my vacation, guess where we are headed - at least for a significant amount of time? Disney has nothing to counter WWOHP on that scale and to that demographic. But, what should they do? What will get the buzz back to Disney's side of Orlando?
Is it supposed to be Avatarland? James Cameron's ambition would tell you otherwise, but that wasn't Disney's plan. There is one important thing to remember about Disney - they will never dedicate a major chunk of real-estate to Intellectual Property they don't own or have a large majority stake into. Rides and restaurants? Absolutely. But never something of WWOHP scale. Avatar is a springboard that Disney is using for one thing - nighttime hours to AK. When you add as many hotel rooms / DVC stuff as Disney has over the past few years, the guests have to go somewhere. Although there are four main Disney theme parks in Orlando, only three are open at night today.
Is it Cars Land to DHS? No, and two reasons highlight this. First, California Adventure has a tumultuous history of money-losing ambitions since it opened. Cars Land has finally reversed its fortunes and Disney wouldn't cannibalize its own attendance. Also, Disney likes to diversify its parks enough to entice it's fan-base to travel to other locations. Think about it - would you spend tens of thousands to fly the family overseas to attend basically the same theme park you could see in your own backyard?
So it must be the New Fantasyland, right? Again, no. Similar to AK, attendance is growing and the guests have to go somewhere. WDW is the busiest theme park in the world today and Fantasyland has to be one of the most crowded areas I've ever seen. Sure, the size and scale of the project was ambitious, but could hardly be seen as a WWOHP counter-move. It served to create some buzz, addresses the growing needs of the park and solidifies the current demographic - it does not expand on it.
So what about Star Wars Land? Well, here are some things to think about...
1) - Harry Potter is a more recent phenomenon that appeals to a specific generation of fans. Star Wars is legendary and spans multiple generations, including the parents who are paying for the Orlando vacation. If I want to deflate the Harry Potter buzz - Star Wars is the knockout punch.
2) - Disney spent $4 billion on the franchise and committed to three new movies, almost immediately. You don't spend that kind of money / then commit even more if you're not being serious. Remember: Disney didn't just buy Star Wars. George Lucas sold his baby to someone he trusted - Bob Iger. There is a history there.
3 - Iger mentioned a "significant" Star Wars presence to theme parks announcement in 2015 - in a shareholder's meeting. That's big news.
4) - Take a look at today's DHS. American Idol is closing soon (IP they didn't own). SoundStage is closed. Indiana Jones is being reported as closing soon (again, IP they don't own). And where do all these acreage eating, unused attractions sit? Conveniently next to Star Tours and Tatooine Traders.
I know that fan buzz / commercials can over-hype things, but Fantasyland was never anything but an expansion. Avatar / Pandora hasn't even been built yet, so I don't understand how it can be criticized. In any case, I'm off my soapbox now.
However, the 9-14 year old kid in me is very excited about the potential of a Star Wars Land - hopefully at DHS. Wife and I visit Disney frequently, but the crowds have been a little off-putting to me these past few visits. Star Wars Land would get me out of my shell pretty fast.
Wow! - Lots of words from me today. Wonder what my second post will look like
We probably all agree - WWOHP was a serious kick to Orlando Disney's ego. Beyond the success - if there is one demographic Disney would like to grow, its the Tween / Teen sector (boys, especially). Some of Disney's related programing is very good and Pixar has helped tremendously. But let's face facts - if I could morph back into a 9-14 year old boy, I'm zapping bad guys with my wand at WWOHP, not "letting it go" with Anna and Elsa. Since my parents know that and (most likely) flipping the bill for my vacation, guess where we are headed - at least for a significant amount of time? Disney has nothing to counter WWOHP on that scale and to that demographic. But, what should they do? What will get the buzz back to Disney's side of Orlando?
Is it supposed to be Avatarland? James Cameron's ambition would tell you otherwise, but that wasn't Disney's plan. There is one important thing to remember about Disney - they will never dedicate a major chunk of real-estate to Intellectual Property they don't own or have a large majority stake into. Rides and restaurants? Absolutely. But never something of WWOHP scale. Avatar is a springboard that Disney is using for one thing - nighttime hours to AK. When you add as many hotel rooms / DVC stuff as Disney has over the past few years, the guests have to go somewhere. Although there are four main Disney theme parks in Orlando, only three are open at night today.
Is it Cars Land to DHS? No, and two reasons highlight this. First, California Adventure has a tumultuous history of money-losing ambitions since it opened. Cars Land has finally reversed its fortunes and Disney wouldn't cannibalize its own attendance. Also, Disney likes to diversify its parks enough to entice it's fan-base to travel to other locations. Think about it - would you spend tens of thousands to fly the family overseas to attend basically the same theme park you could see in your own backyard?
So it must be the New Fantasyland, right? Again, no. Similar to AK, attendance is growing and the guests have to go somewhere. WDW is the busiest theme park in the world today and Fantasyland has to be one of the most crowded areas I've ever seen. Sure, the size and scale of the project was ambitious, but could hardly be seen as a WWOHP counter-move. It served to create some buzz, addresses the growing needs of the park and solidifies the current demographic - it does not expand on it.
So what about Star Wars Land? Well, here are some things to think about...
1) - Harry Potter is a more recent phenomenon that appeals to a specific generation of fans. Star Wars is legendary and spans multiple generations, including the parents who are paying for the Orlando vacation. If I want to deflate the Harry Potter buzz - Star Wars is the knockout punch.
2) - Disney spent $4 billion on the franchise and committed to three new movies, almost immediately. You don't spend that kind of money / then commit even more if you're not being serious. Remember: Disney didn't just buy Star Wars. George Lucas sold his baby to someone he trusted - Bob Iger. There is a history there.
3 - Iger mentioned a "significant" Star Wars presence to theme parks announcement in 2015 - in a shareholder's meeting. That's big news.
4) - Take a look at today's DHS. American Idol is closing soon (IP they didn't own). SoundStage is closed. Indiana Jones is being reported as closing soon (again, IP they don't own). And where do all these acreage eating, unused attractions sit? Conveniently next to Star Tours and Tatooine Traders.
I know that fan buzz / commercials can over-hype things, but Fantasyland was never anything but an expansion. Avatar / Pandora hasn't even been built yet, so I don't understand how it can be criticized. In any case, I'm off my soapbox now.
However, the 9-14 year old kid in me is very excited about the potential of a Star Wars Land - hopefully at DHS. Wife and I visit Disney frequently, but the crowds have been a little off-putting to me these past few visits. Star Wars Land would get me out of my shell pretty fast.
Wow! - Lots of words from me today. Wonder what my second post will look like