Dow: 6726

I don't want to get personal, but no financial advisor worth a cent would allow those who are close to retirement to stay heavily invested in equities. Only those with 20+ years left in the market should be invested in equities right now...

My parents had diverse investments; that still did not keep them from having a bundle in the markets. There are many older women, especially, that are not market-astute and have no financial advisor. To dismiss their pain with a finger-wagging shoulda/coulda is mean-spirited, IMO.
 
My parents had diverse investments; that still did not keep them from having a bundle in the markets. There are many older women, especially, that are not market-astute and have no financial advisor. To dismiss their pain with a finger-wagging shoulda/coulda is mean-spirited, IMO.
I am not dismissing their pain, but I am not as quick to excuse their ignorance or the role that their ignorance played in their plight.

Personal responsibility. That is my mantra...
 
If you had 5 years or less until retirement, financial advisers were saying "get out of the market" at least a year ago-probably further back than that.

I've got 20 years to go at least, so I'm riding the coaster.

The rule that we were told is 100-your age is the maximum you want in stocks.

So a 70 year old should have a maximum of 30% in stocks. So their maximum loss would have been 50% of 30% or 15% of their entire portfolio.

I am unsure of where the bottom is. I sure hope we are there now.

We turned 25% of our portfolio into cash over a year ago, so that money is now safe. We also have bonds which are down a small amount. My energy fund was way up and is now way down so it seems to be a wash. Others are down by 30%-50% so over all we are down but no where near the 50% that the market is. I have no idea why I did what I did. I just had a gut feeling.
 
What does that mean? I know it means trading is down or something like that but what does it mean to the average man on the street? (Other than stocks/retirment.)
What does "other than" mean? For many people, retirement is a significant consideration. Some of us were just within ten years of retirement, just beginning to convert equity investments into cash investments. Due simply to bad timing, we're looking at some pretty nasty prospects for the future.
 

I posted this article on another thread, but it certainly fits here as well...


OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Boston Fed President Rosengren:
"Rosengren suggested that governments are not the best managers of bad assets. Rather, he urged removing the assets and selling banks to new owners.

"When a bank is closed with FDIC support, this is relatively straightforward. The bad assets are removed from the bank and quickly disposed of by the FDIC, and the good assets are sold to an acquirer," he said.

"The new acquirer does not spend time focused on the problems of the past, but rather, focuses on maximizing future profitability," Rosengren added. "This is a reason for moving to resolve, as quickly as possible, banks that are clearly insolvent." "
DUH.
Here is what the stock market thinks of you NOT doing this and allowing your stooge Moe, er, Taxcheatin'Timmy, to instead continue to pour taxpayer money into a black hole to save his FRIENDS in the banking business.
barack-owns-it.png

SEVENTEEN PERCENT has come off the S&P since your inauguration, and we're nowhere near done for today.
It'll likely be 20% by the close at the current rate of deterioration with the largest falls being on your inauguration date and then from the date where it became clear that YOUR TREASURY SECRETARY was going offer "more of the same" that has FAILED.
You are certifiably insane; only an insane person does the same thing over and over, which has repeatedly failed, and expects a different result.
I hope you enjoy this Barack, because it's all yours, and every man, woman and child in America needs to understand that it is your refusal to do the right thing that has continued the bleeding in their 401ks (now 201ks and soon 101ks or even 51ks), IRAs, and soon their pension plans will all blow up, bankrupting over 100 of our largest firms and putting 10 million more people out of work.
Congratulations Barack; we are now in a full-on economic and market meltdown over the last week and it is getting MUCH WORSE as a direct and proximate cause of your policies.


KennyD
 
I've kept my Thrift Savings Plan investments in the C (S&P index), S (small cap index) and I (international index) funds, thinking it'll bottom out and I'm buying on sale. Now, I'm starting to think I should switch to the G (government bond) fund at least temporarily--this thing can't find a bottom.
 
We turned 25% of our portfolio into cash over a year ago, so that money is now safe. We also have bonds which are down a small amount. My energy fund was way up and is now way down so it seems to be a wash. Others are down by 30%-50% so over all we are down but no where near the 50% that the market is. I have no idea why I did what I did. I just had a gut feeling.


If you have any more gut feelings, please post them here!
 
I posted this article on another thread, but it certainly fits here as well...


OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Boston Fed President Rosengren:
"Rosengren suggested that governments are not the best managers of bad assets. Rather, he urged removing the assets and selling banks to new owners.

"When a bank is closed with FDIC support, this is relatively straightforward. The bad assets are removed from the bank and quickly disposed of by the FDIC, and the good assets are sold to an acquirer," he said.

"The new acquirer does not spend time focused on the problems of the past, but rather, focuses on maximizing future profitability," Rosengren added. "This is a reason for moving to resolve, as quickly as possible, banks that are clearly insolvent." "
DUH.
Here is what the stock market thinks of you NOT doing this and allowing your stooge Moe, er, Taxcheatin'Timmy, to instead continue to pour taxpayer money into a black hole to save his FRIENDS in the banking business.
barack-owns-it.png

SEVENTEEN PERCENT has come off the S&P since your inauguration, and we're nowhere near done for today.
It'll likely be 20% by the close at the current rate of deterioration with the largest falls being on your inauguration date and then from the date where it became clear that YOUR TREASURY SECRETARY was going offer "more of the same" that has FAILED.
You are certifiably insane; only an insane person does the same thing over and over, which has repeatedly failed, and expects a different result.
I hope you enjoy this Barack, because it's all yours, and every man, woman and child in America needs to understand that it is your refusal to do the right thing that has continued the bleeding in their 401ks (now 201ks and soon 101ks or even 51ks), IRAs, and soon their pension plans will all blow up, bankrupting over 100 of our largest firms and putting 10 million more people out of work.
Congratulations Barack; we are now in a full-on economic and market meltdown over the last week and it is getting MUCH WORSE as a direct and proximate cause of your policies.


KennyD

I didn't vote for Obama but this is not his fault. It's not Bush's fault either. It's greed.....pure and simple. We are now paying the piper.
 
What does "other than" mean? For many people, retirement is a significant consideration. Some of us were just within ten years of retirement, just beginning to convert equity investments into cash investments. Due simply to bad timing, we're looking at some pretty nasty prospects for the future.

I mean Average Joe working his minimum-wage job with no 401K and no money in the stock market. What does the stock market mean to him and his everyday life?
 
I mean Average Joe working his minimum-wage job with no 401K and no money in the stock market. What does the stock market mean to him and his everyday life?

It should mean to him that the capital that businesses use to grow their business, expand and hire "Average Joe" is evaporating. That should seriously concern him. The insurance company, Phoenix Co. that I used to work for had an IPO of $14 a few years ago. Their stock is now valued at 48 cents. They are laying off 250 employees in the next 2 months. That is 25% of their work force. Their mission? "Wealth management".
 
I didn't vote for Obama but this is not his fault. It's not Bush's fault either. It's greed.....pure and simple. We are now paying the piper.


Nonsense... Neither I, or by extension the author of this article, are absolving the Bush administration from any fault here. We are simply stating the facts as they exist today. Read some of the articles from Karl Denninger here:

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

and get the TRUTH...

KennyD
 
We had $75,000 in our 401K, we received our quarterly report last week and that account is down to $48,000. When we started our 401K, we were told, to put at least 3% of our wages into 401K's for retirement 15 years ago. So this is what we did.

2 years ago, we cut it too 1% and we started buying land. Land will always be there. So if you want a good hunch right now, invest in land. It may be loosing value a little right now, but hopefully in 25 years when I can retire, it will be a lot more than what we paid for it.
 
I posted this article on another thread, but it certainly fits here as well...


OBAMA: Are you LISTENING?

Boston Fed President Rosengren:
"Rosengren suggested that governments are not the best managers of bad assets. Rather, he urged removing the assets and selling banks to new owners.

KennyD​


This is what they'd like to do (and have done with AIG)

The problem is the Government will have to hold the good assets until the economy comes back up.

The Republicans are preventing them from implimenting this for other banks because they are screaming "Nationalization"

The market is expecting this to happen which is one of the reasons it's tanking.​
 
If there are any 'acquirers' who don't have their own problems, who have exhibited exclusively positive impact on the economy as a whole, then perhaps that would be something that the Obama administration might consider. However, I don't know of any...
 
I think the main problem with the recently retired and the almost retired is that alot of companies tied the employees pension fund based on the stock market.
The stock market became too high and the companies couldn't pay out what they promised so by submarining the markets the companies actually came out ahead at the expense of the retired people.

At least that is just my opinion.

As for the job losses- the same principle applies. Companies couldn't or wouldn't come up with the money for the benefits promised and are just shrinking the base that they have to deal with.

It is so easy being an arm chair economist isn't it!:rotfl:
 
Yes... very easy to highlight the problems, when you don't have to actually suggest viable, generally-acceptable solutions! :)
 
The Republicans are preventing them from implimenting this for other banks because they are screaming "Nationalization"

The market is expecting this to happen which is one of the reasons it's tanking.
Really? So far this year the GOP is batting zero for "preventing" anything on Capitol Hill, so how are are they working that magic when it comes to this topic?

Also, the only time in recent days that the stock market DIDN'T tank was when Ben Bernanke publicly testified that he was against "nationalization" of banks.
 
Really? So far this year the GOP is batting zero for "preventing" anything on Capitol Hill, so how are are they working that magic when it comes to this topic?

Public opinion is making them go slow on it. After the stress tests we'll see if they go against public opinion.

Also, the only time in recent days that the stock market DIDN'T tank was when Ben Bernanke publicly testified that he was against "nationalization" of banks.

Absoulutely. The market hates the governement taking control of the banks and most likely piecing them out.. The market wants the goverenment to buy all the bad assets.

Are you saying the governement should do what the market wants no matter what the cost to the taxpayers?
 
There is a big question as to who is/should be the (primary) constituency of the government -- taxpayers, investors, or citizens? While there are some affinities, in the end there is no reason to believe that what is good for one of these groups will always be good for either of the other two. Therefore if any of these groups are placed higher in priority than they are now, or have beenin the past, that will change the dynamics.
 





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