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Call me crazy, but I just feel there was a better way of handling this than suing the governor.
Suing DeSantis was the proper way to respond to him using the power of his office to punish a company for its speech. He's belligerent (probably partly by nature, but I suspect ramped up for perceived political gain) and wasn't about to unwind CFTOD if Disney just asked nicely.
 
A case Disney will end up dropping or losing most likely.
I am purposely staying out of this discussion that is bordering on the "p" word but I must say I don't see how Disney loses the first amendment suit. The gov clearly used the power of the "state" to punish someone for their speech. How that doesn't disturb people on both the right and left is really disturbing to me.
 
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My first take away from this article was that this was a summer Flop for ALL theme parks but so many on Disboards insisted it was a Disney only problem...

9:00a ET 9/23/2023 - Dow Jones
Theme Parks Pin Hopes on a Fall Rebound After Summer Flop -- WSJ
Mentioned: DIS FUN SEAS
By Will Feuer

Theme-park operators are pinning their hopes on a blockbuster fall season, betting that splashy Halloween and Oktoberfest events can make up for a summer season hurt by extreme weather.

Dorney Park-owner Cedar Fair, Six Flags Entertainment and SeaWorld Entertainment are looking to lure customers this fall by tapping into growing demand for Halloween festivities. Other parks, including Disney, rolled out themed events earlier than ever this year. In coming weeks, haunted houses and fleets of ghoulish actors will take over theme parks across the country.

The Halloween season and weeks leading up to it will prove critical, after a cold, wet spring and scorching summer heat waves dashed hopes for a booming year. Attendance across the three major regional park chains is still below prepandemic levels, even as other travel sectors have fully recovered.

"I have seen through the years where Halloween has made or broken a season," said Dennis Speigel, a longtime theme-park consultant. This year, Speigel said, some parks began teasing Halloween events as early as June. "They knew they needed to start thinking ahead and hanging their hat on Halloween."

Shares of regional theme-park operators are lagging behind the S&P 500 this year, as hopes for a robust postpandemic recovery meet the reality of heightened competition for leisure spending and uncooperative weather. Analysts say park traffic improved later in the summer, but the fall season remains pivotal.

Theme parks' embrace of Halloween has been a multidecade trend. In 1973, Knott's Berry Farm in Buena Park, Calif., now owned by Cedar Fair, introduced "Knott's Scary Farm" to drum up more fall business. Now, most U.S. amusement parks, and even some in other countries, mark the holiday with their own festivities. Earlier this year, Universal said it plans to open a year-round horror-focused park in Las Vegas, a sign of ambitions to offer scare-centric events beyond Halloween.

The expected fall bump comes with challenges. Kids are back in school and their fall schedules become packed. Apple picking, leaf peeping and other fall activities also compete for families' leisure time. Hurricane season threatens to disrupt the period, especially in Florida and Texas. In late summer, Hurricane Idalia battered Florida and other parts of the Southeast, while tropical storm Hilary posed a rare threat to Southern California as it approached land.

Still, fall events have become moneymakers. Across Six Flags, SeaWorld and Cedar Fair, the fourth quarter, which runs from the start of October through the end of the year, has become a bigger source of annual revenue over the past decade. In 2019, Cedar Fair generated more than 17% of its annual sales in the fourth quarter, up from 12% in 2013.

Beyond driving traffic, many parks cash-in by selling separate tickets for day- and nighttime Halloween events. Many of the evening events have also become more adult-oriented, said Chris Woronka, an analyst at Deutsche Bank. That translates into a boost of high-margin cocktail and beer sales.

"Let's face it, this is like an adult-beverage themed holiday," Woronka said. "Adults will spend more per capita than they will just on their kids."

Hersheypark launched its haunt-focused event, called "Dark Nights," in 2022. The event, which started earlier this month, includes a haunted coal-mine attraction and various so-called scare zones. The event also features a haunted house based on a character called Ethel Mortem, a second-generation meat processor running the family business with the help of her sinister nieces and nephews.

SeaWorld runs a not-so-spooky daytime event called "Spooktacular," which turns into "Howl-o-Scream" at night. "Howl-o-Scream is deliberately NOT for young children or the faint of heart," a spokesperson said. The nighttime event features live shows and haunted houses, along with food and drinks available at the "Blood Bar."

Six Flags gave customers in the spring an early taste of its popular "Fright Fest" event, with its first-ever "Scream Break." The chain's bigger parks are rolling out new haunted houses this fall based on popular horror movies like "The Conjuring" and "Saw." The child-friendly "Boo Fest" features corn mazes and trick-or-treating. "These events play a vital role in the company's strategy," Six Flags said.

Parks also seize on the festivities to get a jump on selling next-year season passes. Six Flags recently marketed discounts of up to 70% on 2024 season passes, which also include admission to Fright Fest and its Oktoberfest parties. At the chain's park in Arlington, Texas, the highest-grade 2024 season pass was on sale for $110 a person, down from $170.

"The companies have just been incredibly aggressive with their sale passes for the next year," Deutsche Bank's Woronka said. "It's not just about what they're going to spend for Oktoberfest or Halloween. It's really, 'Can we also get the pass?'."

Natalie Parrish, a 35-year-old chemist from Greenwood, S.C., typically skips Halloween festivities at the Carowinds park in Charlotte, N.C. A recent visit to the park with her daughters, ages 10 and 16, convinced them to plan a return trip for October, after they saw decorations for the "SCarowinds" event going up. Admission is included with the roughly $300 they spent on season passes for next year.

"It looks like it's going to be really fun," Parrish said. "And wherever their little run-through scary sections are -- that looked pretty cool too."

Wall Street analysts will be watching closely to see if season-pass deals tempt potential parkgoers, as costs ranging from higher interest rates to the resumption of student-loan payments squeeze consumers. A bright spot for theme parks this year is that consumers have continued paying higher prices for admittance, parking, food and more.

Financial challenges are weighing on consumers' willingness to spend. According to a recent survey from the National Retail Federation, about three of every four consumers said their Halloween shopping will be affected by economic challenges. Still, Americans are expected to spend $12.2 billion on Halloween celebrations, up 15% from last year, according to a separate survey from the trade group.

Theme-park executives blamed weak attendance in the first half of the summer on extreme weather. Cedar Fair Chief Executive Richard Zimmerman said last month that while more-volatile spring and summer weather has weighed on the traditional season, warmer fall weather has boosted business in parts of the country.

"The back half of the year is where we've actually benefited from the weather driving the demand," he told analysts on a conference call. "It has created opportunity."

Soft attendance this spring and summer, though, might have also been an early warning that consumers are pulling back, B. Riley analyst Eric Wold said. Season-pass sales this fall and next spring should deliver some clarity.

"In terms of willingness to plunk down a committed dollar amount for the next year, when you may be worried about buying groceries, that's probably a better tell on consumer health," Wold said.

Write to Will Feuer at Will.Feuer@wsj.com


(END) Dow Jones Newswires

September 23, 2023 09:00 ET (13:00 GMT)
Copyright (c) 2023 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
 
RE: Disney+ Hotstar

Disney+ Hotstar clients have only produced $0.59/mo per user over the last 2 reported quarters.

Tech costs alone run Disney about $1.25 to $1.30 per user per month.

Every single Hotstar subscriber that cancels is a net positive for Disney's bottom line.

Further to my little blurb above, I have come across this report from India about negotiations over Disney selling Hotstar India. Didnt see anyone post about these negotiations. So, I guess watch this space and see what happens.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/disney-india-sale-talks-draw-firms-including-reliance-1.1972829

Disney India Sale Talks Draw Firms Including Reliance​

Baiju Kalesh, Preeti Singh and P R Sanjai, Bloomberg News

(Bloomberg) -- Walt Disney Co. has held preliminary talks with potential buyers for its India streaming and television business including billionaire Mukesh Ambani’s Reliance Industries Ltd., according to people familiar with the matter.
The US entertainment giant has discussed a range of options with would-be suitors, from a deal for the entire Disney Star business to a piecemeal transaction that may include some combination of its assets including sports rights and regional streaming service Disney+ Hotstar, the people said.

Disney has been weighing strategic options for the business including an outright sale or setting up a joint venture, Bloomberg News reported in July after the Indian unit lost its streaming rights to the Indian Premier League cricket tournament to Viacom18 Media Pvt., a tie-up between Paramount Global and Reliance. Disney had approached Reliance about potentially buying a stake in the business, a person familiar with the matter said at the time.

Discussions are ongoing and may not lead to any deal, the people said, asking not to be identified as the information is private. Disney could decide to hold onto the assets for longer, they added. A representative for Disney declined to comment.
A spokesperson for Reliance said the company “evaluates various opportunities on an ongoing basis” and will make the required disclosures when necessary, declining to comment further.
Disney shares closed down 0.7% in Monday trading in New York, the most in nearly three weeks, while Reliance shares declined 0.9% in Mumbai to finish the day at their lowest value since Sept. 7.

Though Disney Star has seen declining subscriber numbers after losing the IPL streaming rights, it hasn’t ceded the entire cricket business, securing the television rights through 2027. Last year it agreed to license the TV rights for International Cricket Council men’s matches to ZEE Entertainment Enterprises Ltd. for four years, with Disney+ Hotstar retaining the digital rights.
JioCinema, the streaming service backed by Reliance, netted a record 32 million concurrent viewers in May for the IPL final, which was free to watch on the platform. The venture has begun charging for some content on the platform after signing a multi-year pact to stream Warner Bros Discovery Inc.’s exclusive content in india.
 


My first take away from this article was that this was a summer Flop for ALL theme parks but so many on Disboards insisted it was a Disney only problem...

9:00a ET 9/23/2023 - Dow Jones
Theme Parks Pin Hopes on a Fall Rebound After Summer Flop -- WSJ
Mentioned: DIS FUN SEAS
By Will Feuer

Theme-park operators are pinning their hopes on a blockbuster fall season, betting that splashy Halloween and Oktoberfest events can make up for a summer season hurt by extreme weather.

Dorney Park-owner Cedar Fair, Six Flags Entertainment and SeaWorld Entertainment are looking to lure customers this fall by tapping into growing demand for Halloween festivities. Other parks, including Disney, rolled out themed events earlier than ever this year. In coming weeks, haunted houses and fleets of ghoulish actors will take over theme parks across the country.

The Halloween season and weeks leading up to it will prove critical, after a cold, wet spring and scorching summer heat waves dashed hopes for a booming year. Attendance across the three major regional park chains is still below prepandemic levels, even as other travel sectors have fully recovered.

"I have seen through the years where Halloween has made or broken a season," said Dennis Speigel, a longtime theme-park consultant. This year, Speigel said, some parks began teasing Halloween events as early as June. "They knew they needed to start thinking ahead and hanging their hat on Halloween."

Shares of regional theme-park operators are lagging behind the S&P 500 this year, as hopes for a robust postpandemic recovery meet the reality of heightened competition for leisure spending and uncooperative weather. Analysts say park traffic improved later in the summer, but the fall season remains pivotal.

Theme parks' embrace of Halloween has been a multidecade trend. In 1973, Knott's Berry Farm in Buena Park, Calif., now owned by Cedar Fair, introduced "Knott's Scary Farm" to drum up more fall business. Now, most U.S. amusement parks, and even some in other countries, mark the holiday with their own festivities. Earlier this year, Universal said it plans to open a year-round horror-focused park in Las Vegas, a sign of ambitions to offer scare-centric events beyond Halloween.

The expected fall bump comes with challenges. Kids are back in school and their fall schedules become packed. Apple picking, leaf peeping and other fall activities also compete for families' leisure time. Hurricane season threatens to disrupt the period, especially in Florida and Texas. In late summer, Hurricane Idalia battered Florida and other parts of the Southeast, while tropical storm Hilary posed a rare threat to Southern California as it approached land.

Still, fall events have become moneymakers. Across Six Flags, SeaWorld and Cedar Fair, the fourth quarter, which runs from the start of October through the end of the year, has become a bigger source of annual revenue over the past decade. In 2019, Cedar Fair generated more than 17% of its annual sales in the fourth quarter, up from 12% in 2013.

Beyond driving traffic, many parks cash-in by selling separate tickets for day- and nighttime Halloween events. Many of the evening events have also become more adult-oriented, said Chris Woronka, an analyst at Deutsche Bank. That translates into a boost of high-margin cocktail and beer sales.

"Let's face it, this is like an adult-beverage themed holiday," Woronka said. "Adults will spend more per capita than they will just on their kids."

Hersheypark launched its haunt-focused event, called "Dark Nights," in 2022. The event, which started earlier this month, includes a haunted coal-mine attraction and various so-called scare zones. The event also features a haunted house based on a character called Ethel Mortem, a second-generation meat processor running the family business with the help of her sinister nieces and nephews.

SeaWorld runs a not-so-spooky daytime event called "Spooktacular," which turns into "Howl-o-Scream" at night. "Howl-o-Scream is deliberately NOT for young children or the faint of heart," a spokesperson said. The nighttime event features live shows and haunted houses, along with food and drinks available at the "Blood Bar."

Six Flags gave customers in the spring an early taste of its popular "Fright Fest" event, with its first-ever "Scream Break." The chain's bigger parks are rolling out new haunted houses this fall based on popular horror movies like "The Conjuring" and "Saw." The child-friendly "Boo Fest" features corn mazes and trick-or-treating. "These events play a vital role in the company's strategy," Six Flags said.

Parks also seize on the festivities to get a jump on selling next-year season passes. Six Flags recently marketed discounts of up to 70% on 2024 season passes, which also include admission to Fright Fest and its Oktoberfest parties. At the chain's park in Arlington, Texas, the highest-grade 2024 season pass was on sale for $110 a person, down from $170.

"The companies have just been incredibly aggressive with their sale passes for the next year," Deutsche Bank's Woronka said. "It's not just about what they're going to spend for Oktoberfest or Halloween. It's really, 'Can we also get the pass?'."

Natalie Parrish, a 35-year-old chemist from Greenwood, S.C., typically skips Halloween festivities at the Carowinds park in Charlotte, N.C. A recent visit to the park with her daughters, ages 10 and 16, convinced them to plan a return trip for October, after they saw decorations for the "SCarowinds" event going up. Admission is included with the roughly $300 they spent on season passes for next year.

"It looks like it's going to be really fun," Parrish said. "And wherever their little run-through scary sections are -- that looked pretty cool too."

Wall Street analysts will be watching closely to see if season-pass deals tempt potential parkgoers, as costs ranging from higher interest rates to the resumption of student-loan payments squeeze consumers. A bright spot for theme parks this year is that consumers have continued paying higher prices for admittance, parking, food and more.

Financial challenges are weighing on consumers' willingness to spend. According to a recent survey from the National Retail Federation, about three of every four consumers said their Halloween shopping will be affected by economic challenges. Still, Americans are expected to spend $12.2 billion on Halloween celebrations, up 15% from last year, according to a separate survey from the trade group.

Theme-park executives blamed weak attendance in the first half of the summer on extreme weather. Cedar Fair Chief Executive Richard Zimmerman said last month that while more-volatile spring and summer weather has weighed on the traditional season, warmer fall weather has boosted business in parts of the country.

"The back half of the year is where we've actually benefited from the weather driving the demand," he told analysts on a conference call. "It has created opportunity."

Soft attendance this spring and summer, though, might have also been an early warning that consumers are pulling back, B. Riley analyst Eric Wold said. Season-pass sales this fall and next spring should deliver some clarity.

"In terms of willingness to plunk down a committed dollar amount for the next year, when you may be worried about buying groceries, that's probably a better tell on consumer health," Wold said.

Write to Will Feuer at Will.Feuer@wsj.com


(END) Dow Jones Newswires

September 23, 2023 09:00 ET (13:00 GMT)
Copyright (c) 2023 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
October to December is the most profitable time of the year for Disney Theme Parks and assume most others as well. Disney domestic parks has an incredibly tough YoY comparison coming in Q1FY24. The post revenge travel boom is over in North America and we start to settle in to pre-covid trends for FY24.
 
When Iger talks about storytelling, he is referring to the branded intellectual property that he spent his years as CEO assembling, acquiring Pixar, Marvel, Star Wars, and Fox's entertainment assets.
I doubt he considers Fox’s entertainment assets "storytelling". Most of the Fox IP, like Ice Age and Simpsons, don’t get treated fairly, especially when it comes to parks presence. Heck, most of 20th Century Studios' and Searchlight Pictures' recent films are relegated to Hulu than theatres. Iger only bought most of the Fox assets just to boost Disney's streaming initiatives, not become Touchstone Pictures 2.0.
 
https://deadline.com/2023/09/writers-strike-deal-close-1235554418/

WGA & Studio CEOs Near Deal Finish Line, Working On Fine Print
By Anthony D'Alessandro, Dominic Patten
September 23, 2023 1:22pm PDT

A deal in the latest negotiations between the WGA and studios CEOs to end the nearly five-month-long writers strike looks within sight.

During the meeting today at the AMPTP Sherman Oaks office, the parties appear to have essentially untangled their stalemate over AI, writing room staffing levels, and the last remaining matters of contention.

With Netflix’s Ted Sarandos, Universal’s Donna Langley, Disney’s Bob Iger and Warner Bros Discovery’s David Zaslav participating from afar, attorneys are now said to be deep-in working on final language for a three-year deal.

The lack of in-room attendance from the CEO Gang of Four comes after the group had been present in person for the past three days trying to seal the deal. As he has over the past couple of days, California Gov. Gavin Newsom made calls today to the top negotiators and execs to check in about where things stood and where they’re going, we’re told.

With deliberations starting around 10 a.m. as Ellen Stutzman led the WGA negotiating committee and AMPTP’s Carol Lombardini on the other side of the table, today was always going to be about final details, sources say. To that end, lawyers took center stage for the most part to translate their employers’ deal points into formal language.

“The intention was always to wrap this up by the weekend,” an insider tells us. “That was the desire on both sides of the table.”

It looks like a tentative agreement could be finalized before the end of the day if the WGA lawyers sign off on what their AMPTP counterparts hand over – – therefore not seeping over into the Yom Kippur holiday.

Once the language of the WGA deal is done, and the contract is ratified by membership, the next step for the AMPTP is to be making a deal with SAG-AFTRA — which will definitely have its own set of challenges. SAG-AFTRA National Executive Director and Chief Negotiator Duncan Crabtree-Ireland and other leaders in the actors’ union have been kept closely appraised by their fellow guild of the machinations of the back-and-forth between the WGA and the AMPTP over the past 96 hours, we’re told.

Despite gripes in the room over press leaks, and last-minute asks by the WGA on Thursday night, several sources inform us that talks have not been contentious, and have just kept moving. One person with knowledge of the situation equated Thursday to “an ant rolling a boulder up the hill.”

We have yet to hear the exact terms as to when writers can put pen to scripts for the studios, and producers can start sending out specs to agents. On the mind of many is getting the new TV season underway.

With the weekend box office reaching a new all-time low for 2023 this weekend at $49M — that’s a problem largely stemming from actors unable to promote their movies due to the SAG-AFTRA walkout. One executive last night called the 2024 theatrical release calendar as “not real,” meaning given the ADR, and last minute shoots, and even uncompleted productions on several movies next year, we’re bound to see more release date changes.

This is the 145th day of the WGA Strike. The longest was in 1988 at 154 days. SAG-AFTRA is on its 72nd day of the strike.

Economists have estimated that the dual strikes have spelled a $5 billion blow to the state of California.
 


as in most cases, the loudest people to complain, are in the minority. i think you're right that most people are ok with the content disney has put out.

we have more ways with todays technology to express our opinions, therefore we're much louder.
 
Iger only bought most of the Fox assets just to boost Disney's streaming initiatives, not become Touchstone Pictures 2.0.
He certainly bought Fox for streaming and always preferred the tentpole movies to the less expensive and less gross BO ones but maybe a Toushstone 2.0 will be the way to go now that they have seen IP fatigue along with bloated budgets for the tentpoles. Get back to the singles and doubles instead of hitting for the fences every time (Eisner's old movie philosophy).
 
He certainly bought Fox for streaming and always preferred the tentpole movies to the less expensive and less gross BO ones but maybe a Toushstone 2.0 will be the way to go now that they have seen IP fatigue along with bloated budgets for the tentpoles. Get back to the singles and doubles instead of hitting for the fences every time (Eisner's old movie philosophy).
Fox/Searchlight currently accounts for half of the currently scheduled theatrical releases for 2024 (obviously subject to change with the ongoing strikes). It’s technically Disney with 8 releases and Fox with 6 but one of the Disney releases is Deadpool which wouldn’t happen with the MCU if not for the Fox acquisition.

Agreed about the bloated budgets. Covid delays and what not bloated the already bloated budgets for Disney’s releases so far. Package that with diminished returns with the growth of streaming is a recipe for underperformance.
 
Bloated budgets, changing directors, tons of reshoots, and expensive marketing campaigns are the current norm for Disney and a big reason their movies are struggling to make money.

Fiscal discipline in the studio is needed and also stop trying to make everything a billion dollar blockbuster.

Good wholesome content made for the flyover states is what Disney needs to get back to. Make that with reasonable cost like $150M production and $50M in Marketing. Then a $500M box office is a financial winner. The math is not hard, just stop doing stupid things for way too much cost.
 
https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/09/24/disney-debundling-cable-tv-streaming-shareholders/

Disney Is Leading the Debundling of Cable TV. Is It the Right Move for Shareholders?
By James Brumley–Sep 24, 2023 at 9:45AM EDT

Key Points

Look for cable plans to shrink going forward, and for channels to be sold on a more a la carte basis.

The highly competitive nature of the streaming business will make life tough for Disney.

Its shares will likely struggle until investors better understand how the company plans to transition.

It's good that Disney recognizes the cable business as we know it is dying. It's just not clear it has a plan to address it.

At first glance, it might appear that Walt Disney (DIS -1.79%) and Charter Communications (CHTR -0.36%) ended their recent standoff the way most cable TV blackouts end -- the two companies agreed on a price each could live with, thus restoring Spectrum Cable subscribers' access to Disney's ESPN, ABC, and The Disney Channel.

This impasse did end differently than prior ones have, however. This time, not every Disney-owned cable channel came back to Spectrum's lineup. Namely, Baby TV, Disney Junior, Disney XD, Freeform, FXM, FXX, Nat Geo Wild, and Nat Geo Mundo will no longer be offered to any Spectrum customers. It's still not the end of the world. These channels are among cable television's lesser watched, and generate fairly little revenue for Disney.
That's not the only noteworthy difference with this particular agreement though. This time, Spectrum's cable customers will also be getting gratis access to the ad-supported version of streaming service Disney+, and some Charter customers will even be provided access to ESPN+. Moreover, when it finally launches, the stand-alone version of sports-focused ESPN will be "made available" to Spectrum's customers. Charter's even going to be selling Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+ to Charter's non-cable internet customers soon.

These are eye-opening changes, to be sure, suggesting that both companies understand that streaming is bringing about the end of cable TV as we know it. And yet, there are still other hints that bloated cable subscription bundles -- once a sign of the cable industry's strong hold on consumers -- are now falling apart.

Sports is the canary in the coal mine

Chief among these clues is that Disney seemingly wants out of the cable television business. Prior to the Spectrum blackout, Disney CEO Bob Iger confirmed his interest in selling at least part of ESPN. Since then, credible rumors have surfaced that Disney is looking to offload television network ABC, a possibility that Iger didn't exactly deny.

And it's not just Disney pulling cable TV bundles apart. Warner Bros. Discovery's Max (formerly known as HBO Max) streaming service is now getting some programming directly from cable news channel CNN. It will also soon be airing a handful of live sports broadcasts, tiptoeing onto cable's turf. The programming in question will be games normally airing on TBS and TNT truTV, which aren't exactly at the center of the sports broadcasting stage.

It's a step though, as is the availability of Thursday Night Football on Amazon's Prime, as well as the addition of professional and college football games to Comcast's streaming service, Peacock. Meanwhile, the buzz is that other cable companies are already asking Disney for deals similar to the one Charter just got.
Cable has been on the defensive for years. A recent Yahoo! Finance poll found that access to live sports programming was the top reason subscribers have continued to pay for cable TV. With sports now increasingly available without it, the end of cable television as we know it is near. The question is, can Disney handle it?

Probably not.

Cable TV is still a cash cow for Disney

Don't misread the message. Disney's not going under anytime soon. On the other hand, it appears unlikely that Disney's streaming business will be able to fully replace its shrinking linear (cable) television business's top and bottom lines.

The graphic below puts things in visual perspective -- at least, partially. In terms of revenue, cable television is Disney's single-biggest business. It's closely followed by the theme parks and resorts division, though, as well as its growing streaming business. These three arms account for similar portions of about 80% of the company's top line.

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Data source: Disney. Chart by author. All figures are in millions.

Even so, two things stand out in the chart above. First, Disney's cable television business hasn't produced any top-line growth in years. You could chalk some of that weakness up to the pandemic. Not all of it, though. The advertising market has been healthy of late -- just not for TV.

This may be one of the reasons Disney was so willing to accommodate Charter's demands -- Spectrum Cable looked ready to simply drop all of Disney's content altogether. That would have instantaneously reduced Disney's total carriage fee base by 14.7 million viewers, which Disney's cable arm just can't risk right now.

And the second curious nuance of the chart above? While streaming is now one of Disney's biggest businesses, its growth is clearly slowing down. That's arguably why Disney was willing to allow Charter to sell Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+ to Charter's non-cable broadband customers. It remains to be seen how many of these customers will want any of those services now if they don't already have them.

Perhaps the more troubling graphic, though, is the one below, which compares the operating incomes of all of Disney's key operating divisions. Unsurprisingly, theme parks and cable television are by far the media giant's two biggest profit centers. Streaming, however, is still losing tons of money despite generating tons of revenue.

For perspective, Disney's parks and resorts arm banked nearly $2 billion worth of operating income last quarter, while its cable business earned $1.9 billion. Streaming reduced the company's bottom line by around $500 million. Never even mind the fact that its cable television earnings are slowly dwindling, in step with continued cord-cutting.
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Data source: Disney. Chart by author. All figures are in millions.

And there's the rub. Assuming most or all of its cable television business will eventually go away now that the cable bundle is disintegrating, Disney has a massive amount of revenue and income ground to make up with streaming. It's not likely to fully close those gaps, particularly if it expects hordes of cord-cutters to flock to a stand-alone version of ESPN.

While sports may be the most common reason consumers continue paying for cable, a survey performed by CableTV.com indicates that only 19.5% of cable customers cite sports as the top reason they're still paying sky-high cable prices. That's not many. The rest of these consumers say there are other reasons they stick with it, many of which (like access to local news or a DVR device) are slowly but surely fading away.

Meanwhile, although ESPN is clearly the leading sports channel, it still only offers a minority of all sports programming. Networks like Fox, NBC, and CBS are collectively carrying more sports, offering much of it for free outside of conventional cable platforms, including via old-school aerial antennas.

Demand answers

There's nothing that investors must "do" immediately. Disney's deal with Charter bought both companies some time by sweetening the value of Spectrum's cable packages. Presumably, both companies will use that time.

Nevertheless, long-term doubts remain. Debundling cable plans works against Disney since neither consumers nor cable companies want to pay for what they're not watching or selling, respectively. (It's a reasonably safe bet that many ESPN watchers don't care about access to The Disney Channel, and vice versa.) Now they won't have to, undermining leverage that Disney previously utilized a lot.

That's arguably why Disney's so willing to walk away from its cable -- and broadcast -- business and double down on streaming. The problem is that streaming doesn't appear capable of fully offsetting the fiscal deterioration of Disney's cable TV business. The streaming arena's a heck of a lot more competitive than cable ever was.

Maybe Iger's got plausible solutions to these concerns. Until he articulates them though, Disney's going to be a tough stock to own. There's too much at stake with this slow-moving but inevitable shift.
 
He certainly bought Fox for streaming and always preferred the tentpole movies to the less expensive and less gross BO ones but maybe a Toushstone 2.0 will be the way to go now that they have seen IP fatigue along with bloated budgets for the tentpoles. Get back to the singles and doubles instead of hitting for the fences every time (Eisner's old movie philosophy).

Some of my top favorite movies of my childhood are Touchstone releases. I agree, having a flashy high cost blockbuster here and there is okay but to me the budgets have become outrageous and there aren't enough great, lower cost, lower return but still profitable films. I am aging out of target audience but I am Marveled out man. IP fatigue is definitely a thing for me.
 
He certainly bought Fox for streaming and always preferred the tentpole movies to the less expensive and less gross BO ones but maybe a Toushstone 2.0 will be the way to go now that they have seen IP fatigue along with bloated budgets for the tentpoles. Get back to the singles and doubles instead of hitting for the fences every time (Eisner's old movie philosophy).
The Walt Disney Pictures unit can always do more theatrical films that are less expensive to make, too, just like in the good old days.
 
https://www.ft.com/content/c3c65b65-1ba3-472d-94de-8f37e0b719f6

Bob Iger and Brian Roberts lock horns over ‘kingmaker’s asset’ Hulu
Disney and Comcast prepare for battle over the price of full ownership of the streaming service
Christopher Grimes in Los Angeles 9/25/23

In February, Disney chief executive Bob Iger surprised employees and investors by saying that “everything is on the table” regarding the future of Hulu, adding that its content was “undifferentiated”.Many assumed Iger was ready to jettison the streaming service. But just three months later, Iger said his remarks had been “a little harsh,” insisting he was planning to keep Hulu and integrate it with the Disney+ app.

By early next year, Iger will have discovered how much the decision to hold on to Hulu, home to shows such as Only Murders in the Building and The Bear, is going to cost him.

On September 30, Iger’s team will begin a months-long process with Comcast to determine the value of the cable giant’s minority stake in Hulu, setting the stage for Disney to purchase it and gain full ownership.

Disney and Comcast have been in an uneasy relationship over Hulu since 2019, when Iger’s company gained a 66 per cent stake in the streaming service through its acquisition of 21st Century Fox. Comcast holds a 33 per cent stake, and the two companies agreed at the time that either could initiate a sale or purchase of all of Hulu at a minimum valuation of $27.5bn. The process of determining the value of Comcast’s stake was expected to begin sometime next year, but the companies recently agreed to start it sooner. Wall Street analysts admit they have no idea how it will play out, but the consensus is that Disney will end up having to pay at least $9bn for the 33 per cent stake — and possibly much more.

Hulu is home to shows such ‘The Bear’, featuring Ayo Edebiri as the character Sydney Adamu

Brian Roberts, Comcast’s chief executive, called Hulu a “kingmaker’s asset” at a Goldman Sachs conference this month. He argued that Hulu’s value has increased significantly since 2019, and suggested that a fair price would be around $60bn thanks to potential synergies and a reduction in customer “churn” if it is bundled with Disney+, its flagship streaming service.“

Hulu is a great business,” Roberts said. “I think if we’re selling all of this as-is there would be a line of bidders around the block.” However, Disney will want the Hulu value to be set as close to the $27.5bn “floor value” as possible, analysts say. “Any payment above this level may put pressure on Disney’s equity,” Citi analyst Jason Bazinet wrote in a recent research report. “Hulu’s valuation is apt to make someone disappointed: either Disney will pay more than investors want, or Comcast will receive less than investors expect.”

Reaching an answer to this dilemma is expected to take at least until the end of this year, following two — and probably three — appraisals of Hulu’s value.Both companies will appoint an investment bank to act as an appraiser. If the two sides arrive at a price within 10 per cent of each other, Hulu’s value will be set at the average of the two figures. Analysts see this as an unlikely outcome, given the difference expected between the values assigned by the two companies’ bankers. If they fail to settle on a price through the first process, then a third bank will be hired to come up with a value for Hulu. In that case, the final value would be the average of the two closest of the three estimates.

“There is a wide range of valuation outcomes given the unique nature of Hulu as a business and the role of what will likely be three arbitrator valuations to deliver the final value,” Morgan Stanley analyst Benjamin Swinburne wrote in a research report.

Jonathan Chaplin, an analyst at New Street Research, said in a report that “both parties have an incentive to deliver a reasonable valuation [since] the outlier among the three valuations will be discarded”.Chaplin said “we don’t know where this will land,” but added that he expected the number to be higher than the $27.5bn floor value because that would “assume no change in value and no synergies for Disney”.

The stakes are high for Disney, which would need to raise money to buy out Comcast’s stake through a debt offering if the valuation goes above $29.5bn, according to Citi estimates. With Disney’s shares trading near a five-year low, it is unlikely to pay by issuing stock.

At the end of the most recent quarter, Disney had $11.5bn in cash on its balance sheet.Investors have already shown some concern about Disney’s cash flow, analysts said. Last week, Disney said it would double its spending on its theme parks to $60bn over the next decade. The shares dropped after the announcement due to investor concerns about potential pressure on Disney’s free cash flow until those investments start to pay off.

Iger has also pledged to start paying a small dividend by the end of this year.Comcast has said it will use any proceeds to buy back its shares. Iger and Roberts, both long-serving media chiefs, have competed against each other for decades. Roberts made a failed hostile bid to buy Disney in 2004, when Iger was president and chief operating officer. In 2018, Roberts offered Rupert Murdoch a higher price for 21st Century Fox than Iger had already made, forcing the Disney chief to raise his bid significantly. The bidding war pushed the final price paid by Disney to $71bn, a sum that has been criticised by some shareholders as too high.

The Hulu negotiation comes as Iger is seeking to cut costs and exit declining businesses. Disney’s streaming business is expected to lose money until 2024, and Iger has floated the idea of selling Disney’s traditional TV assets such as the ABC network. He has also acknowledged that some of Disney’s movie studios need to regain their creative spark. Disney and Comcast declined to comment.

Disney does not break out Hulu’s profitability, but in its most recent quarter the streaming service’s operating income and revenues grew thanks to higher prices and an increase in its number of subscribers. Hulu had 48.3mn subscribers in the third quarter — up from about 30mn in 2019 — with average monthly revenue for each subscriber rising to $12.39 from $11.73 thanks to price hikes. Hulu’s average daily engagement is second only to Netflix, according to Morgan Stanley and Nielsen. Roberts argues that Hulu has appreciated in value since 2019, despite the turn in investor sentiment against streaming.“

The company is way more valuable today than it was then,” Roberts said at the Goldman conference. “We are excited to get this resolved.”
 
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Bob Iger and Brian Roberts lock horns over ‘kingmaker’s asset’ Hulu
Disney and Comcast prepare for battle over the price of full ownership of the streaming service
Christopher Grimes in Los Angeles 9/25/23

In February, Disney chief executive Bob Iger surprised employees and investors by saying that “everything is on the table” regarding the future of Hulu, adding that its content was “undifferentiated”.Many assumed Iger was ready to jettison the streaming service. But just three months later, Iger said his remarks had been “a little harsh,” insisting he was planning to keep Hulu and integrate it with the Disney+ app.

By early next year, Iger will have discovered how much the decision to hold on to Hulu, home to shows such as Only Murders in the Building and The Bear, is going to cost him.

On September 30, Iger’s team will begin a months-long process with Comcast to determine the value of the cable giant’s minority stake in Hulu, setting the stage for Disney to purchase it and gain full ownership.

Disney and Comcast have been in an uneasy relationship over Hulu since 2019, when Iger’s company gained a 66 per cent stake in the streaming service through its acquisition of 21st Century Fox. Comcast holds a 33 per cent stake, and the two companies agreed at the time that either could initiate a sale or purchase of all of Hulu at a minimum valuation of $27.5bn. The process of determining the value of Comcast’s stake was expected to begin sometime next year, but the companies recently agreed to start it sooner. Wall Street analysts admit they have no idea how it will play out, but the consensus is that Disney will end up having to pay at least $9bn for the 33 per cent stake — and possibly much more.

Hulu is home to shows such ‘The Bear’, featuring Ayo Edebiri as the character Sydney Adamu

Brian Roberts, Comcast’s chief executive, called Hulu a “kingmaker’s asset” at a Goldman Sachs conference this month. He argued that Hulu’s value has increased significantly since 2019, and suggested that a fair price would be around $60bn thanks to potential synergies and a reduction in customer “churn” if it is bundled with Disney+, its flagship streaming service.“

Hulu is a great business,” Roberts said. “I think if we’re selling all of this as-is there would be a line of bidders around the block.” However, Disney will want the Hulu value to be set as close to the $27.5bn “floor value” as possible, analysts say. “Any payment above this level may put pressure on Disney’s equity,” Citi analyst Jason Bazinet wrote in a recent research report. “Hulu’s valuation is apt to make someone disappointed: either Disney will pay more than investors want, or Comcast will receive less than investors expect.”

Reaching an answer to this dilemma is expected to take at least until the end of this year, following two — and probably three — appraisals of Hulu’s value.Both companies will appoint an investment bank to act as an appraiser. If the two sides arrive at a price within 10 per cent of each other, Hulu’s value will be set at the average of the two figures. Analysts see this as an unlikely outcome, given the difference expected between the values assigned by the two companies’ bankers. If they fail to settle on a price through the first process, then a third bank will be hired to come up with a value for Hulu. In that case, the final value would be the average of the two closest of the three estimates.

“There is a wide range of valuation outcomes given the unique nature of Hulu as a business and the role of what will likely be three arbitrator valuations to deliver the final value,” Morgan Stanley analyst Benjamin Swinburne wrote in a research report.

Jonathan Chaplin, an analyst at New Street Research, said in a report that “both parties have an incentive to deliver a reasonable valuation [since] the outlier among the three valuations will be discarded”.Chaplin said “we don’t know where this will land,” but added that he expected the number to be higher than the $27.5bn floor value because that would “assume no change in value and no synergies for Disney”.

The stakes are high for Disney, which would need to raise money to buy out Comcast’s stake through a debt offering if the valuation goes above $29.5bn, according to Citi estimates. With Disney’s shares trading near a five-year low, it is unlikely to pay by issuing stock.

At the end of the most recent quarter, Disney had $11.5bn in cash on its balance sheet.Investors have already shown some concern about Disney’s cash flow, analysts said. Last week, Disney said it would double its spending on its theme parks to $60bn over the next decade. The shares dropped after the announcement due to investor concerns about potential pressure on Disney’s free cash flow until those investments start to pay off.

Iger has also pledged to start paying a small dividend by the end of this year.Comcast has said it will use any proceeds to buy back its shares. Iger and Roberts, both long-serving media chiefs, have competed against each other for decades. Roberts made a failed hostile bid to buy Disney in 2004, when Iger was president and chief operating officer. In 2018, Roberts offered Rupert Murdoch a higher price for 21st Century Fox than Iger had already made, forcing the Disney chief to raise his bid significantly. The bidding war pushed the final price paid by Disney to $71bn, a sum that has been criticised by some shareholders as too high.

The Hulu negotiation comes as Iger is seeking to cut costs and exit declining businesses. Disney’s streaming business is expected to lose money until 2024, and Iger has floated the idea of selling Disney’s traditional TV assets such as the ABC network. He has also acknowledged that some of Disney’s movie studios need to regain their creative spark. Disney and Comcast declined to comment.

Disney does not break out Hulu’s profitability, but in its most recent quarter the streaming service’s operating income and revenues grew thanks to higher prices and an increase in its number of subscribers. Hulu had 48.3mn subscribers in the third quarter — up from about 30mn in 2019 — with average monthly revenue for each subscriber rising to $12.39 from $11.73 thanks to price hikes. Hulu’s average daily engagement is second only to Netflix, according to Morgan Stanley and Nielsen. Roberts argues that Hulu has appreciated in value since 2019, despite the turn in investor sentiment against streaming.“

The company is way more valuable today than it was then,” Roberts said at the Goldman conference. “We are excited to get this resolved.”
Still hoping for something creative here rather than just a straight purchase - Comcast retaining some ownership, Peacock being folded into it, something/anything that will help the treasury from being drained to buy it.
 
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