Debate: Should Disney Parks Go Back To A-E Ticket System?

Should Disney Bring Back the A-E Tickey System For Their Parks?

  • Yes

  • No


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After reading the current news bit from www.miceage.com, I've been thinking about the A-E ticket system. Unlike the current admission program, this system allows for all attractions to be seen and enjoyed, plus it adds another layer to touring over the 'must ride this e-ticket 1000 time for my money's worth' mentality. Your thoughts?
 
I actually think this is a terrific idea from a philosophical viewpoint.

I also think this is a nightmarish idea from an implementation viewpoint.

So I can argue/be convinced either way, at this point.

Whatever Chad says, I'll take the other side. ;)
 
Here's a bit of info from one of the best Disneyland history books, "Disneyland The Inside Story," it talks about why ticket books were implemented in the first place.

One major problem that quickly became apparent involved the public directly. Visitors to Disneyland that first year paid the main-gate admission to the Park and then found that each attraction had its own ticket booth. Before long, asking the quests to put their hands in their money pockets each time they came to a new attraction had turned into a psychological bad situation. To many, it seemed like a slow death by the old Chinese water torture, with clinking coins replacing the dripping water.

Soon, perhaps the most creative ticket system of all time was put into use. The most popular attractions, like the Jungle Cruise and the Mark Twain were plagued by long lines of waiting guests. Disneyland officials were perplexed by their inability to get the crowds to try out the smaller attractions, which had short or no lines.

This problem led to the creation of the famous Disneyland ticket book. The book rated the attractions from least expensive, "A" to most expensive "C", and they contained several tickets from each category. Once the guests started finding these A and B tickets in their pockets - having already paid for them up front - they were more willing to investigate the smaller attractions. The guests finally began to disperse evenly across the Park, and, as a bonus, they discovered the real "sleepers" they probably would have otherwise missed.
 
I'm with Scoop on this one. I can see how the ticket books could help balance the loads, and encourage folks to ride the "smaller" rides. But this would be a tough sell to those who just plain don't want to ride those, and are used to not being forced into it.

I know keeping track of the tickets is not something I would want to deal with.

But Kevin's points about the "smaller rides" being in danger because their value is harder to pin down is a good one. Its part of the problem with managing the parks like a widget factory instead of managing them based on a guiding philosophy and mission.

I particularly liked this quote from Kevin:

Yet for the past decade, almost all new Disney attractions worldwide have been thrill-oriented E-Tickets that required a minimum height. The little rides are some of the most pure "Disney" rides out there. Seen this way, they not only support the magic, they actively provide it. Every bit as much as the "small shows" – things like New Orleans Square jazz musicians, the Sword in the Stone ceremony, or the Matterhorn climbers.
 


As one who experienced WDW when the tickets were used, I would have to say no.

As a teenager, it was always hard trying to figure out which E-ticket attractions I wanted to go on - there were never enough tickets to do all of them! My parents were not the type to buy extra tickets - you used the ones in your book and that was it.

On the other hand, it was a better deal for the elderly or people who did not want to experience the ticketed attractions. They only had to pay for an admission/transportation ticket.
 
Who said they need to be tickets per say? We live in the technology age people! Your pass can be your tickets. Look at how DisneyQuest was ran...
 
My point wasn't so much about the paper tickets themselves, as it was about managing the tickets regardless of format. Stuff like making sure we don't run out of D's before we ride a certain ride, or having to figure out if we have enough E-tickets for Space Mt. before we ride Splash twice... that kind of thing.
 


>>> nightmarish from an implentation standpoint ...

Not really. The FastPass cast members on duty are already a big step towards this implementation. But heaven forbid, it would spoil the entire FastPass system.

The admission/transportation ticket would still be the same $50.00 (for single day) or so. It would be a cash cow for the Disney corporation, and a nightmare for the guest experience.

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The Dis has already had numerous threads, complete with flaming, bashing, insults, and mud slinging, about the subject of offering additional FastPass'es for sale.

First visit to WDW in 1975, only MK was there. They had the ticket books. I used up all the tickets in the book but did not buy additional tickets which I could have. Come to find out that a ticket book with an unused A ticket in it gets a higher price on E-Bay than a completely spent book.
 
No, they shouldn't go back to those ticket books.

Not only would it be a logistical nightmare, but Disney's bottom line mentality would really come through. I love Buzz's Space Ranger Spin, but no way, in my mind, does it come even close to being an E-Ticket.
 
One thing that I think is missing regarding the new ticket system is a rating for the rides. The old ticket levels (A-E) set your expectations before you experienced the attraction. Today, everyone expects every attraction to be an E ticket. That can lead to disappointment for the guest. Also, I believe that Disney parks need a good balance of A – E attractions. As Kevin Yee said – those smaller attractions are really a part of the magic.

Originally posted by EUROPA
What is the benfit to the guest of going back to the ticket system?

People who do not ride anything still pay full price. Under the old system, they could buy a general admission ticket for much less. It’s interesting that in an age where technology has enabled us to pay per use for so many things (telephone, satellite/cable, etc), we all accept a one price fits all for theme parks.
 
Originally posted by WEDWAY100
People who do not ride anything still pay full price. Under the old system, they could buy a general admission ticket for much less. It’s interesting that in an age where technology has enabled us to pay per use for so many things (telephone, satellite/cable, etc), we all accept a one price fits all for theme parks.

One of my pet peeves...people that go to an amusement park and just stand around taking up space. All amusement parks are pretty much designed for two activities. Standing in line or walking to another place to stand in line. There is not a lot of "looking around" space in a park. So these people are usually in the way. Besides that is only a benefit for those that don't want to ride. In order to make up for that lost revenue Disney would need to raise other prices and then that affects the average guest. I don't fell like paying more because someone wants to walk around the park all day and get in everyone's way.
 
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I remember back when I was a kid and had to use those stupid ticket books, you never had enough E tickets, Mom and Dad would yell at me for wanting more tickets (only could use what's in the book and that's it), never wanted to use the A tickets (trolley. horse carriage rides) and always had tickets left that were never used, yuk!!!!!!!!!!!!

So glad they got rid of the ticket books. From Disney's standpoint though, I bet they would make more money from the ticket books, think of how many E tickets a person would need now since there are 4 parks and not only the Magic Kingdom as when these books were used.
 
:mad: Just something else to carry around and keep track of, and possibly lose. Not a good idea.:rolleyes:
 
Interesting take, Europa...

I know what you mean about the "wanderers", and those that stop in the middle of walkways, but I don't think the reason they are getting in the way is simply because they want to just look around. One can take in the sights while still being courteous.

The fact that Disney's parks were designed to be more than just a collection of rides and lines is one of the things that differentiates them from other parks.

So, saying the ticket books could be a benefit to customers in some ways is a valid point. It could also benefit those who only want to ride the E-tickets, or, who only want to ride the A's and B's.

That said, I think that, even if its well-intentioned, it would cause more trouble than it would be worth. I also share the concern that Disney would look at it as a way to increase revenue, not as a way to really improve the guest experience.

If they truly are looking for ways to improve the guest experience, there are plenty of other things they could do before having to look at bringing back the ticket books.
 
Originally posted by raidermatt
Interesting take, Europa...


The fact that Disney's parks were designed to be more than just a collection of rides and lines is one of the things that differentiates them from other parks.


Yes, one of the many reason why we like Disney and Universal.

Its hard to really describe what would happen at Disney if they had a non-ride admission...but I'm pretty sure it would be close to what happens at your Local Six Flags. Durning the summer, most Six Flags turn into a sort of"after school progam". Its nothing but gangs of kids cloging the park making everything miserable. These people are not there to ride any of the attractions or see any of the shows but rather they are there because its cheap and the parents dont have worry about babysitting for the summer. Heck it cheap when the season pass is 40-50 bucks. This is one of the reasons why I will never go to a park like SixFlags again.

Is any of this making sense?
 
What would they do about all the unused days on people's park hoppers? I guess they aleady faced this problem once with the removal of the A-E ticket system in the first place, but still, I would be more than a little irritated if my unused days just went away. And it would be very difficult to give me the equivalent in tickets, since my preference could be to ride E-ticket attractions all day.

Also, I'm not convinced that it would be the cash cow everyone here seems to think it would be. They can't keep the admission the same and charge extra for the rides, they would have to lower the admission price. I can't believe too many people would pay the $50 and just walk around - though I do love to do that sometimes, it's still nice to go on rides at the same time. So charging something for the ticket book amounts to raising their prices, possibly by as much as 50%. I mean, I would think the books themselves would be at least $25. So instead, they would have to lower the admission. Then some guests would choose to just go in and walk around, making lines for food, crowds at the parades and other shows even worse.

How would a park like Animal Kingdom manage it as well? Some of their attractions are walking trails. I suppose they could put a ticket-taker at the entrance.

If you can't tell, I'm against the idea... :)
 
Going back to the A-E tickets would, no doubt, be nostalgic for those of us who used them back in the day. Aside from that, it would be a horrible idea. As others have said, you always ended up with a fist full of A tickets and had to beg your parents to buy you another book - just for the D & E tickets. Now that I'm the parent, I don't want to go through that - if DD wants to ride Space Mountain 10 times in a row, she can - no tickets or whining required.;)
 
Another point I forgot to make is that it seems completely useless as a system for days when the park is not at all crowded. People could probably go through several books of tickets in a day, but unless the pricing were low enough, I think the end result would be people doing 2 or 3 parks in one day because they would run out of tickets at each park - also, I suppose the idea of hopping to each park would be irrelevent, except for the admission.

If the point is to attract people to the "small" rides, there is already some attraction to those rides given that they tend to have shorter waits. If people are forced into riding them, they might start resenting them rather than seeing them as bonus material they don't have to wait in long lines for.
 
Maybe I'm missing something but exactly <i>what</i> would be the advantage of going back to the ticket system except for the number of people it would confuse, annoy, and eventually de-pixie dust? The advantage to that being less wait time for the few who do like the tickets... Yeah, I'm firmly against the ticket system for many reasons. Just in case I was being oblique about my feelings. ;) Part of the disney magic for me has always been how the entire park is "free" to explore once you have that one admission ticket. See, I grew up in a military family and, as my dad was only a major then, money was tight. We'd go to county fairs and such and I distinctly remember mentally debating which rides to pass up because I knew we could only afford so many. Strangely enough, this trait stuck with me and I still dislike casinos and anything like Chuck-e-Cheeses. Every few years, though, my parents would save enough for us to go visit my grandparents in LA and we would spend one magical day at Disneyland. I remember how freeing it was for me, even as a little girl, to know that it was all open to me. And now, however many years later with my parents quite comfortably retired on a colonel's pay, I still feel that wonder each time I find my way onto disney property. Sure, small rides don't get the attention they deserve. But I'm not going to complain since that means I can relax in the Tiki room or wander the trails of AK without waiting in line! Besides, I agree with everyone else ... keeping track of tickets for even one person with four parks would be a nightmere of it's own. Even encoded electronically on a card it would be insane. How would you know by looking on your card how many tickets you had? How would you add on more points? Now multiply those troubles by a family of four... I'd just give up and go to Kings Dominion or Universal. And my last thoughts... $50 is a total bargin to just wander around the scenery of MK, Epcot, World Showcase, AK, or MGM! Those who miss the E-rides make up for it by noticing the things that make Disney so special, from themed garbage cans to conversations with CMs.

Sorry so long! You leave soapboxes lying around and, well, I'm bad about passing up such temptation. :)
 

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