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I have seen this article mentioned, but not posted (sorry if I missed it). I hope this helps even one person understand what it is like in Italy right now, and why we need to flatten the curve here. This is an article from a well respected doctor in Italy. The English translation is below.

https://www.ecodibergamo.it/stories...-vita-e-la-morte-di-molte-persone_1344030_11/
“I may be repeating myself, but I want to fight this sense of security that I see outside of the epicenters, as if nothing was going to happen "here". The media in Europe are reassuring, politicians are reassuring, while there's little to be reassured of.

This is the English translation of a post of another ICU physician in Bergamo, Dr. Daniele Macchini. Read until the end "After much thought about whether and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that silence was not responsible.

I will therefore try to convey to people far from our reality what we are living in Bergamo in these days of Covid-19 pandemic. I understand the need not to create panic, but when the message of the dangerousness of what is happening does not reach people I shudder.

I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly "emptied", elective activitieswere interrupted, intensive care were freed up to create as many beds as possible.

All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity.

I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I've seen what's happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least.

The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace.

The boards with the names of the patients, of different colours depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.

Now, explain to me which flu virus causes such a rapid drama. [post continues comparing covid19 to flu, link below]. And while there are still people who boast of not being afraid by ignoring directions, protesting because their normal routine is"temporarily" put in crisis,

The epidemiological disaster is taking place. And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.

Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing.

Reasons for the access always the same: fever and breathing difficulties, fever and cough, respiratory failure. Radiology reports always the same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All to be hospitalized.

Someone already to be intubated and go to intensive care. For others it's too late... Every ventilator becomes like gold: those in operating theatres that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become intensive care places that did not exist before.

The staff is exhausted. I saw the tiredness on faces that didn't know what it was despite the already exhausting workloads they had. I saw a solidarity of all of us, who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask "what can I do for you now?"

Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we can't save everyone, and the vital parameters of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny.

There are no more shifts, no more hours. Social life is suspended for us. We no longer see our families for fear of infecting them. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols.

Some of our colleagues who are infected also have infected relatives and some of their relatives are already struggling between life and death. So be patient, you can't go to the theatre, museums or the gym. Try to have pity on the myriad of old people you could exterminate.

We just try to make ourselves useful. You should do the same: we influence the life and death of a few dozen people. You with yours, many more. Please share this message. We must spread the word to prevent what is happening here from happening all over Italy."

I finish by saying that I really don't understand this war on panic. The only reason I see is mask shortages, but there's no mask on sale anymore. We don't have a lot of studies, but is it panic really worse than neglect and carelessness during an epidemic of this sort.”

Edited to add the English translation was from Sílvia Stringhini, an epidemiologist, not myself.
 
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I have seen this article mentioned, but not posted (sorry if I missed it). I hope this helps even one person understand what it is like in Italy right now, and why we need to flatten the curve here. This is an article from a well respected doctor in Italy. The English translation is below.

https://www.ecodibergamo.it/stories...-vita-e-la-morte-di-molte-persone_1344030_11/
“I may be repeating myself, but I want to fight this sense of security that I see outside of the epicenters, as if nothing was going to happen "here". The media in Europe are reassuring, politicians are reassuring, while there's little to be reassured of.

This is the English translation of a post of another ICU physician in Bergamo, Dr. Daniele Macchini. Read until the end "After much thought about whether and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that silence was not responsible.

I will therefore try to convey to people far from our reality what we are living in Bergamo in these days of Covid-19 pandemic. I understand the need not to create panic, but when the message of the dangerousness of what is happening does not reach people I shudder.

I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly "emptied", elective activitieswere interrupted, intensive care were freed up to create as many beds as possible.

All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity.

I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I've seen what's happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least.

The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace.

The boards with the names of the patients, of different colours depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.

Now, explain to me which flu virus causes such a rapid drama. [post continues comparing covid19 to flu, link below]. And while there are still people who boast of not being afraid by ignoring directions, protesting because their normal routine is"temporarily" put in crisis,

The epidemiological disaster is taking place. And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.

Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing.

Reasons for the access always the same: fever and breathing difficulties, fever and cough, respiratory failure. Radiology reports always the same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All to be hospitalized.

Someone already to be intubated and go to intensive care. For others it's too late... Every ventilator becomes like gold: those in operating theatres that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become intensive care places that did not exist before.

The staff is exhausted. I saw the tiredness on faces that didn't know what it was despite the already exhausting workloads they had. I saw a solidarity of all of us, who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask "what can I do for you now?"

Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we can't save everyone, and the vital parameters of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny.

There are no more shifts, no more hours. Social life is suspended for us. We no longer see our families for fear of infecting them. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols.

Some of our colleagues who are infected also have infected relatives and some of their relatives are already struggling between life and death. So be patient, you can't go to the theatre, museums or the gym. Try to have pity on the myriad of old people you could exterminate.

We just try to make ourselves useful. You should do the same: we influence the life and death of a few dozen people. You with yours, many more. Please share this message. We must spread the word to prevent what is happening here from happening all over Italy."

I finish by saying that I really don't understand this war on panic. The only reason I see is mask shortages, but there's no mask on sale anymore. We don't have a lot of studies, but is it panic really worse than neglect and carelessness during an epidemic of this sort.”

Edited to add the English translation was from Sílvia Stringhini, an epidemiologist, not myself.
100% “worth it”
 
Hopefully they have a plan for a bailout. We’re already making plans for a lay off.
 


I'm going to be honest. I never thought this virus was fake but I didn't see it making the impact it is having. Maybe I'm just not smart enough but I just don't see how cancelling everything is going to help much but I will be happy to be wrong. The problem is as someone said the economic implications are going to be huge and if it doesn't do much not worth it. I just feel like it delays things which could be the point as they may be buying time for more testing kits, etc.

The idea behind delaying the virus is mainly to decrease the peak number of cases and spread them out over time so that you don't have more cases at any given time than hospitals can handle. One theory behind why the death rate is so much higher in Wuhan and Italy than elsewhere is that all the cases came very fast all at once, so you have people dying because they don't have access to oxygen, ventilators/ICU rooms, etc. But if you could take those 1000 people and spread them out over several months, even though the same number of people get the virus, fewer people will die.

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The idea is that everyone over the line will die due to lack of hospital beds or other health care resources that they need, so if you "flatten the curve' so to speak, you reduce the number of deaths.
 
What's DCL's refund policy on this situation? I have a cruise in September, and the final day for a full refund is in June. I've already heard horror stories of other Cruise lines denying refunds despite cancelling. I fully intend on going, I just want peace of mind that should Disney themselves cancel, I can still get a full refund
 
What's DCL's refund policy on this situation? I have a cruise in September, and the final day for a full refund is in June. I've already heard horror stories of other Cruise lines denying refunds despite cancelling. I fully intend on going, I just want peace of mind that should Disney themselves cancel, I can still get a full refund

You should 100% cancel before June if things are still bad, and rebook if/when the dust settles. Do not give up your chance for a cash refund. Many of us would love to still be in that window.
 


What's DCL's refund policy on this situation? I have a cruise in September, and the final day for a full refund is in June. I've already heard horror stories of other Cruise lines denying refunds despite cancelling. I fully intend on going, I just want peace of mind that should Disney themselves cancel, I can still get a full refund

If DCL cancels the cruise, they will give you the option to get a refund, help you with a rebook, or a credit.
 
The idea behind delaying the virus is mainly to decrease the peak number of cases and spread them out over time so that you don't have more cases at any given time than hospitals can handle. One theory behind why the death rate is so much higher in Wuhan and Italy than elsewhere is that all the cases came very fast all at once, so you have people dying because they don't have access to oxygen, ventilators/ICU rooms, etc. But if you could take those 1000 people and spread them out over several months, even though the same number of people get the virus, fewer people will die.

View attachment 480505

The idea is that everyone over the line will die due to lack of hospital beds or other health care resources that they need, so if you "flatten the curve' so to speak, you reduce the number of deaths.

Thanks for the explanation. I suspected something like this but makes a lot more sense.
 
I just can't see the Magic heading to Europe in May. Maybe I am wrong...
100% agreed. There is no way. Spain is level 3, much of the Med is closed down, and I just don't see a surge in sales to justify moving the ship to only visit the British Isles (which is a meh seller) Norway and Russia. I think DCL is playing chicken with us (I'm scheduled on the TA) and hoping we cancel and get the credit, vs them cancelling and releasing the funds.
 
I believe they are playing with their fan base. This is not how you treat your loyal customers. DCL policy does far has been subpar compared to other cruise lines.
I wonder if they are trying to get one more boatload on before cancelling??? I am so surprised at this point, with the public mania, that they are not following suit.
 
I believe they are playing with their fan base. This is not how you treat your loyal customers. DCL policy does far has been subpar compared to other cruise lines.
I would expect they are giving significant thought on what to do and get the plan in place rather than playing games. These are decisions that are going to be made by Iger & Co. (we'll pretend Chapek isn't a real thing) and need time to be communicated through the organization. I would expect the US parks plan is being discussed in addition to DCL. Frustrating not knowing, but the wheels are coming off the bus everywhere at the moment.
 
The UK Givernment estimate we are two weeks behind Italy, so by the end of March it will hit at it’s worse. The rest of Europe is the same maybe slightly ahead, so it’s going to take more than two months for it to come back down to some sort of normality, so that takes us to June. Magic is due in May.
I think that’s your answer.
 
I would expect they are giving significant thought on what to do and get the plan in place rather than playing games. These are decisions that are going to be made by Iger & Co. (we'll pretend Chapek isn't a real thing) and need time to be communicated through the organization. I would expect the US parks plan is being discussed in addition to DCL. Frustrating not knowing, but the wheels are coming off the bus everywhere at the moment.
Maybe so.
 

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