Banned for life...

[Tonka's Skipper]

According to his statements and the fact that he wasn't arrested or even detained by legal authorities proves there wasn't a threat. If there was a threa he would be in jail. None of these events happened in a public area or venue. It happened on the phone not in a theater.

My post was about how Disney had a customer wanting to hand them more money. As a stockholder, I want this to happen. Poor Customer Service started this whole ball rolling........Does it really take 15 minutes to look at a computer screen and tell a guest whether there is or isn't a vacancy? It is a yes or no answer.

He may not have meant a threat but his wording was totally improper and had happened before.

No bad customer service here just a bad customer. As a stockholder I am happy Disney took proper action and I applaud rhe Cm's involved.

He deserved to be banned.

 

[atp]

This happened over the phone? Really?? I must have missed that when I read the article.

I'm not sure if I can even mention this last bit of information since the thread was closed and a warning was issued to everyone to never discuss this again from what I could understand, but this just makes Disney look even worse in my eyes considering what they did to the guy who threatened my husband in one of their parks, in front of witnesses.

If the guy really did have other run ins with Disney security then fine, I can see why he would be banned, but if not...

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Ever watch Breaking Bad? This guy obviously has.

Anyone who thinks that what we have read constitutes a legitimate threat is just wrong. Period. The question is - what else did he say? This is clearly about something else and Disney is just using the "meth lab" statement to permanently eliminate an unwanted patron.

 

[smiths02]

Ever watch Breaking Bad? This guy obviously has.

Anyone who thinks that what we have read constitutes a legitimate threat is just wrong. Period. The question is - what else did he say? This is clearly about something else and Disney is just using the "meth lab" statement to permanently eliminate an unwanted patron.

But we don't even know if Disney is using the meth lab statement. All we have is what the guy said he said. We have no idea why Disney banned him.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

But we don't even know if Disney is using the meth lab statement. All we have is what the guy said he said. We have no idea why Disney banned him.

Agreed, but he said something that Disney used to get the police to raid his room. The police probably feel used, as this was clearly not a credible threat.

 

[Happitoo]

Agreed, but he said something that Disney used to get the police to raid his room. The police probably feel used, as this was clearly not a credible threat.

Right... HE said. Go watch his YouTube videos. He details multiple instances where he's had encounters with Disney security before, and even admits that he blew up at them (figuratively, not literally, don't want people thinking I'm making a threat ). And this is him trying to play the victim. He still makes himself sound bad.

And as I said previously, either he said something that warranted getting a warrant/probable cause for police to enter his room, or he wasn't raided.

What's more likely is Disney showed up with police and knocked on his door and told him he was being evicted/the police asked to search his room. It's completely reasonable reason to have police present for an eviction of a guest who has on multiple occasions blown up at cast members/security and could possibly respond with violence. The only person saying he was "raided" is him. There's zero evidence to back up police violating his civil rights (which is what a pure police raid with no warrant or probable cause would be).

The only person saying he got kicked out for making a joke is him. It's far more likely that Disney just decided they were sick of his crap/becoming belligerent with employees/security constantly and turfed him for good. And that's all from information gathered from his own accounts.

 

[smiths02]

Agreed, but he said something that Disney used to get the police to raid his room. The police probably feel used, as this was clearly not a credible threat.

I agree with Happitoo. I highly doubt that there was a "police raid."

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I agree with Happitoo. I highly doubt that there was a "police raid."

I also tend to agree with this conclusion. This is the first that I am hearing that the police raid was not a point of fact. I appreciate the clarification.

 

[wilkeliza]

I agree with Happitoo. I highly doubt that there was a "police raid."

When he describes step by step what happened in one of his videos it was clearly not a "raid". They did not burst down the door, use flash bombs, or draw their weapons. It was nothing more than what happens if a neighbor calls the police on you for a noise complaint.

Disney security felt they needed Orange County with them when dealing with this guy. They went to his room and knocked on the door. After the door was answered they asked him to come out side to discuss the matter. He refused saying this was all being blown out of proportion and that he is disabled and was already dressed for bed. They asked again and he said you can stap inside to talk and ill cover myself up im not going outside. This is not word for word exactly what he says he said but just an wxplination. However, you can see he even got an attitude with police.

He actually gave them permission to come into the room so definitly was not a raid. He even later gave them permission to look around and see he had nothing.

 

[TashaDuddek]

Ok, so I also agree that the lifetime ban is Ridiculous! some posters are arguing "their families safety" so, I pulled up a story much more disturbing in my opinion!

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...guest_leaves_loaded_gun_on_dinosaur_ride.html

 

[TashaDuddek]

"
Deputies said Lista was apologetic and tried to retrieve the gun the moment he realized it was no longer in his possession after the ride.

Disney asked Lista to leave for the day. Lista complied, and deputies escorted him to his vehicle, the report said."


So a guy leaves a loaded gun on a ride which IS a threat and he is escorted out FOR A DAY! a guy makes a joke which happened to not be a threat and is banned for life? am I missing something?

 

[wilkeliza]

"
Deputies said Lista was apologetic and tried to retrieve the gun the moment he realized it was no longer in his possession after the ride.

Disney asked Lista to leave for the day. Lista complied, and deputies escorted him to his vehicle, the report said."


So a guy leaves a loaded gun on a ride which IS a threat and he is escorted out FOR A DAY! a guy makes a joke which happened to not be a threat and is banned for life? am I missing something?

The difference is the attitude of the customer. The person who brought in a loaded gun was apologetic and followed directions when asked to take the item out of the oark and to their car. If the gun owner had ben waving it in their or compative with security when the gun was discovered that would be a much different report.

 

[TashaDuddek]

"The oerson who brought in a loaded gun was apologetic and followed directions when asked to take the item out of the oark and to their car"

Ok, so I can bring in a bomb, leave it and then apologize for bringing it into the park? A loaded gun could have been found by a child, went off during the ride or who knows what else could have happened. I guess it's ok because he "apologized"? Sorry playing the dumb ignorant card shouldn't pass.

As a frequent Disney park goer who attends with my family, a loaded gun is a lot more of a threat to me than a comment someone said over the phone in their hotel room.

 

[wilkeliza]

"The oerson who brought in a loaded gun was apologetic and followed directions when asked to take the item out of the oark and to their car"

Ok, so I can bring in a bomb, leave it and then apologize for bringing it into the park? A loaded gun could have been found by a child, went off during the ride or who knows what else could have happened. I guess it's ok because he "apologized"? Sorry playing the dumb ignorant card shouldn't pass.

As a frequent Disney park goer who attends with my family, a loaded gun is a lot more of a threat to me than a comment someone said over the phone in their hotel room.

A bomb and gun are very different things! Also as others have pointed out this was not this guys first offense with Disney. The person whose gun was found had a concelled hand guns license for the state of Florida and mentioned that due to no signage he was unaware that his gun was not allowed. I can see it as an oops. Why someone would keep their concelled weapon in their back pocket is a mystery to me because that is not a safe place but in that situation i can understand how a misunderstanding happened and with 0 malicious intent and full compliance after instruction would only leas to a firm warning, a note on file, a day banning and walk out by security.

 

[atp]

"The oerson who brought in a loaded gun was apologetic and followed directions when asked to take the item out of the oark and to their car"

Ok, so I can bring in a bomb, leave it and then apologize for bringing it into the park? A loaded gun could have been found by a child, went off during the ride or who knows what else could have happened. I guess it's ok because he "apologized"? Sorry playing the dumb ignorant card shouldn't pass.

As a frequent Disney park goer who attends with my family, a loaded gun is a lot more of a threat to me than a comment someone said over the phone in their hotel room.

Did the person forget that they had a gun with them when they entered the park?? Because otherwise the fact that this person walked into one of the parks should be reason for a ban. It does not surprise me that Disney only asked this person to leave for the day.

Also, I think it's pretty scary how easy it is for Disney to cover up anything they want and make the victim, so to speak, look like a liar. Everyone will always choose to believe Disney over a guest they have never met and unless the incident was caught on camera or had multiples witness who are willing to come forward, Disney can claim nothing ever happened. Or they can just stay silent and leave you wondering, but we all know what will happen then. Everyone will try to find their own explanations and will opt to believe that the story is not real or that there is more to the story, they will choose to believe anything but the fact that Disney might have actually done something questionable.

People often think that others are making things up and that Disney was in the right. Once something similar happens to you and you see with your own eyes how things are really handled you then realize that there's a chance that some of those seemingly crazy guests are telling the truth.

Not saying that this is the case here, or that this guy is innocent. I'm not even sure if the story is real as apparently Disney has not released any statements.

 

[PBB]

Also, I think it's pretty scary how easy it is for Disney to cover up anything they want and make the victim, so to speak, look like a liar. Everyone will always choose to believe Disney over a guest they have never met and unless the incident was caught on camera or had multiples witness who are willing to come forward, Disney can claim nothing ever happened. Or they can just stay silent and leave you wondering, but we all know what will happen then. Everyone will try to find their own explanations and will opt to believe that the story is not real or that there is more to the story, they will choose to believe anything but the fact that Disney might have actually done something questionable.

Good points..........I personally believe the officer investigated and found nothing. Basically, Disney gave him a criminal trespass notice. A company will issue this to people who have committed a crime on their premises. Shoplifting, stalking, predator, drugs,etc.

There should be a report from the police officer who went with Disney to the man's hotel room. Unless, Disney used an off duty police officer who was wearing his uniform. I wish a reporter would ask for,the documents so there is a clearer picture.

The man is on record on his YouTube video that he said to a Disney Castmember on the phone after being on hold for 15 minutes........."I could have built a meth lab in the time it took you to find if a room was available or not". He never said Bomb and it was not in front of other guests.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Just for th3 record a meth lab is a.bomb, explosive and piosonous.

He admits to past problems as well.

I do find it odd some want to.defend this fool becuase there is not enough information, yet I read Disney is hiding things based on the same limited information. As often, Disney is always wrong just becuase they are Disney.

Again I am applauding the CM and Disney for calling the police and.banning him.

 

[PBB]

Some people are trained to deal in facts,evidence and statements or testimonies instead of speculation and hyperbole. More importantly, some people understand that "could have, should have, would have" are past modal verbs. These past modal verbs are all used hypothetically, to talk about things that didn't really happen in the past.

The phrase meth lab does not mean bomb. It may mean that to some because someone watched a tv series that a meth lab blew up. The materials used to make meth are flammable and have caused explosions and fires, however, it does not mean bomb. If he had said " I could have barbecued a turkey in the amount of time I was on hold" would this statement caused Disney Management to ban him for life? A bbq grill has matches, propane tanks, turkey grease and lighter fluid or even worse fried turkey has oil and propane and they have burned decks and houses down at Thanksgiving.

Some people look at the fact that he was not arrested or detained. This lack of arrest alone speaks volumes. If there was the slightest hint of evidence he would have been brought in for questioning. The disabled man was on the phone with a castmember. There was no direct confrontation. As others has stated, he was probably speaking to a castmember in a call center. The call center could be anywhere There was no direct threat made to the castmember nor the other est. If there was........why isn't he in jail? Some months ago, a person was assaulted in line at Test Track. There was video and a castmember witnessed it. No one was even asked to leave the park much less banned for life.

I believe Disney acted in a heavy handed manner. For people who have worked for Disney or had business dealings with them this manner is closer to reality than the magical image they market.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

A meth lab is a bomb and for.all tjat was known at the time he had one. I is a bb and a.piosonous one, ask any police officer or expert in the field.

This fool has been in trouble with Disney Security in the past as his own words state. He is obviously unstable as anyone using the threat of a.meth lab would be.

It is very easy to sit back and deal with limited information after the fact and say Disney was wrong. It does not mean Disney was wrong since all the facts are not out

It does nottater if the CM was in a call center or at the desk, the danger and the threat was.real at the time.of the.call.
Disney acted in a.proper manner to protect thier guests . They are to be applauded.

I am happy Disney puts the safety of my.family and other guests ahead of the dangerous rants of a unstable.fool.

AKK

 

[maxiesmom]

I keep thinking if Disney handled this any other way there would be post after post from people complaining that Disney doesn't take threats seriously enough.

Don't act like an idiot and you will not be treated like one. Don't make threats, and you won't be treated like someone who does. Simple.