Banish kids to the back of the plane?

I fly SW and I love to get the first row of seats with my child. There are no seatbacks to kick! Also when my child is in her carseat it makes it so there is very little legroom at all and she can kick a seat without meaning to. My favorite flight was when my daughter was in her carseat and the person in front of her relined his seat all the way. His head was basically in her lap. We couldn't use her tray at all and it was difficult for her to play with anything. Yeah...that was fun (not). Our best trip was when we got that first row. Lots of room, no one to kick etc.. So fine..seperate us. Just give us the front! Have you ever tried to go down those narrow rows carrying a child and a carseat?
 
I must admit I have wondered why short haul US domestic airlines like SW and JB don't disable the seats to prohibit reclining at all. After all, sitting upright for two hours will not kill anybody.
 
As a mom I understand children are children and I have a pretty good threshold of perceived bad behavior that I am willing to tolerate.There are some kids that are truly awful on flights,and there are also many adults on flights that have flunked basic civility.My dd is always good on flights and I will be the first to admit it if/when she does act out.But sometimes you can be the best parent in the world with the best kid an their behavior is still unpredictable.I have tried to keep my kid in her seat, and unfortunately she has tried to look behind her and in front of her.I do tell her that it is not appropriate , to stop and then i find some diversion activity, I have alot of those in my carryon.I hate to inconvenience anyone, but I find it ridiculous that someone suggested here, that a parent should not just tell them to stop, but they "should make them stop..." how ?...If I lay a hand on my child,then I am suddenly an abuser and will have child protective serv.waiting for me. I think people need to learn a little empathy, and understand that not every child is the spawn of hell, and just because a child may peer over the seat once or twice, is not grounds for calling a child unruly and the parents awful.let's face it, there are some people that already have it in their mindset that the child in front of them or across from them is the spawn of hell and even if the child is a saint, they will give you the hairy eyeball, or mutter things under their breath, and to answer a PP, yes someone actually told me they "hoped I would keep my brat quiet" for the flight.
 
and to answer a PP, yes someone actually told me they "hoped I would keep my brat quiet" for the flight.

OMG! And people complain about misbehaving children! What about rude adults?
 


I am thinking they maybe don't remember what it is like to have little ones. Maybe they do have kids but they are grown. Or even somewhat older children.

Or they had very very easy-going children who listened the first time and were content to just sit quietly (me and my brother, but not our half-sibs).

I fly SW and I love to get the first row of seats with my child. There are no seatbacks to kick!....So fine..seperate us. Just give us the front!

I agree. :goodvibes

That's the ONE thing I don't like about the SW changes, is that when little kids could board first I could snag a front row (assuming it was taken by someone who needed it more than we wanted it). Of course, you have to be much more organized b/c there's no place to put your stuff other than above you, but that's a small price to pay for no worries whatsoever that the kiddo will sneak a seat-kick in before you can react. :)
 
As a frequent flyer, I have to say that I've run into obnoxious adults as often as I've run into obnoxious children. If kids were in their own section of the plane, I think that the odds of having someone behind me who kicks, pokes, or does somethign else obnoxious would be the same. I remember one who had to grip my seatback (and hair) every time he got out of his seat, which was every 15 mins. or so. Amazing how he learned not to when I timed pressing the recline button with one of his jerks of the seatback.

On the flipside, I once had a young kid behind me that I didn't even know was there. I had no reason to look; there was an occasional bump of my seat, but no more than you'd expect from someone moving around periodically. Right at the end of the flight, I hear a soft child-like wail. I peeked back and was amazed to see a little one back there. I think she only started making noise because of ear pressure on the descent. At the end of the flight, I made sure to compliment the parents on their mannerly young flyer.
 
I must admit I have wondered why short haul US domestic airlines like SW and JB don't disable the seats to prohibit reclining at all. After all, sitting upright for two hours will not kill anybody.

Excellent idea!
 


Guess what? Each kid has their own personality. My 4 year old son never threw a temper tantrum. My DD who just turned 3 is famous for them. We can try to punish her, ignore her, distract her, entertain her six ways to Sunday. It isn't going to make her stop if she isn't ready. Believe me I have tried everything, and yes if nothing else fails you have to remove her so as to not distrub others, right? Uh, not gonna happen on a plane. Can you disipline a 4, 6, 10 year old? Yes, but you can always reason with a toddler or infant. I have a friend who always used to be a little judgemental about other peoples kids. Her first son never really gave her any trouble. Then she had her second son. She realized that some personality is born and you have to work with who they are. We will be the 2 parents hoping for the best with a 5 year old, 3 year old and 1 year old.
 
I have tried to keep my kid in her seat, and unfortunately she has tried to look behind her and in front of her.I do tell her that it is not appropriate , to stop and then i find some diversion activity, I have alot of those in my carryon.I hate to inconvenience anyone, but I find it ridiculous that someone suggested here, that a parent should not just tell them to stop, but they "should make them stop..." how ?...

That was me who said it. Yes. You should MAKE your child behave. You should MAKE your child keep her seatbelt on.

You say you "tried to keep my kid in her seat". If your child is getting out of her seatbelt and then has time to turn around and do things that you have to tell her are "not appropriate", you are too late;)

Why didn't you stop her when she got out of her seatbelt? How do you "try to keep your kid in her seat" and fail at that? Why doesn't your child listen to you when you expain that taking off a seatbelt in an airplane is very dangerous?
On the flipside, I once had a young kid behind me that I didn't even know was there.

Me too! I have had many flights with well behaved children who knew their parents' expectations:cloud9:
 
What is worse than having seat kickers sitting behind you while on a flight?

This is a riddle.



Seat kickers who are blowing bubbles with their moms approval.:laughing:
 
My own 2 young children have been flying since they were infants and we fly frequently. They know what behavior is expected of them when we travel. Has my 2yo kicked a seat back now and then? Yes, he's 2 and his car seat puts his little feet at just the right height and distance from the seat in front of him. Do I do nothing about it? No, I always apologize to the person in front of him and work at distracting him with the any of the numerous activities we always have with us for travelling.

That was me who said it. Yes. You should MAKE your child behave. You should MAKE your child keep her seatbelt on.

You say you "tried to keep my kid in her seat". If your child is getting out of her seatbelt and then has time to turn around and do things that you have to tell her are "not appropriate", you are too late;)

Why didn't you stop her when she got out of her seatbelt? How do you "try to keep your kid in her seat" and fail at that? Why doesn't your child listen to you when you expain that taking off a seatbelt in an airplane is very dangerous?

I don't think the poster who you are reffering to said that her child had actually gotten out of their seatbelt...it is quite possible for them to turn around and look between the seats without removing the seatbelt.

How do you suggest a parent "make" their child behave on an airplane? I'm just curious as to what your thinking is, and what age child you are referring to.
 
How do you suggest a parent "make" their child behave on an airplane? I'm just curious as to what your thinking is, and what age child you are referring to.


Honestly, at age 4, you can explain to a child why they are NOT allowed to do certain things. If you are buckled in correctly, how do you turn around or look at the person in front of you?

I know that there are many people that can explain and EXPECT a three year old to behave. By four, most children are in pre-school and can follow rules quite well:confused3

What is worse than having seat kickers sitting behind you while on a flight?

This is a riddle.



Seat kickers who are blowing bubbles with their moms approval.:laughing:

O.M.G.:scared1:

Hence the "I tried to make my child behave, but gave up" attitude.

Poor Sadie:hug: How annoying:sad2:
 
Honestly, at age 4, you can explain to a child why they are NOT allowed to do certain things. If you are buckled in correctly, how do you turn around or look at the person in front of you?

I know that there are many people that can explain and EXPECT a three year old to behave. By four, most children are in pre-school and can follow rules quite well:confused3



O.M.G.:scared1:

Hence the "I tried to make my child behave, but gave up" attitude.

Poor Sadie:hug: How annoying:sad2:
I never said she got out of her seat.I think this has goten out of hand.My dd behaves or there are consequences.She knows this.She is often "seen and not heard" i don't really appreciate the comments about how do I fail at keeping my daughter in her seat.maybe i didn't come across very clear, and for that I apologize .But a 4 yr old can be belted in completely and correctly and manage to move around enough to look around.I have seen it happen.
 
As a mom I understand children are children and I have a pretty good threshold of perceived bad behavior that I am willing to tolerate.There are some kids that are truly awful on flights,and there are also many adults on flights that have flunked basic civility.My dd is always good on flights and I will be the first to admit it if/when she does act out.But sometimes you can be the best parent in the world with the best kid an their behavior is still unpredictable.I have tried to keep my kid in her seat, and unfortunately she has tried to look behind her and in front of her.I do tell her that it is not appropriate , to stop and then i find some diversion activity, I have alot of those in my carryon.I hate to inconvenience anyone, but I find it ridiculous that someone suggested here, that a parent should not just tell them to stop, but they "should make them stop..." how ?...If I lay a hand on my child,then I am suddenly an abuser and will have child protective serv.waiting for me. I think people need to learn a little empathy, and understand that not every child is the spawn of hell, and just because a child may peer over the seat once or twice, is not grounds for calling a child unruly and the parents awful.let's face it, there are some people that already have it in their mindset that the child in front of them or across from them is the spawn of hell and even if the child is a saint, they will give you the hairy eyeball, or mutter things under their breath, and to answer a PP, yes someone actually told me they "hoped I would keep my brat quiet" for the flight.


Please, don't misunderstand me. I have no issue with those kids that are curious and are looking around them, and stand up to look over the seat, or behind them. Kids will be kids. I have no issue with the occasional bump on my seat from behind, or the little face peering over at me, to say hi.
I do have a problem with it when it continues on, for an hour or so. The kicking, in one case, had actually gotten a beat to it!!! It was constant. Or the child who was seated in the middle seat behind me, and continually put both arms through the seat, on either side of me!! Scared the living bejeebers out of me the first time. Still can't figure out how he got his arms through there but he did. And continued to do so. My problem is the parent who sits there and does nothing. But, all kids act out occaisionally....it's part of being a kid.


The absolute worst behaviour I've seen while flying? It was in the JB terminal at Logan. We were flying to WDW (where else!!). There was a largish group also waiting for our flight. THere had to be about 15 of them..a large family or some kind of group, I'm not sure which it was. Well, in order to pass the time, these kids starting blowing up balloons and tossing them around. Now, understand, these kids were not 4 or 5..they were preteens and teens. And, there were adults with them. It started to look like a volleyball game in there. After about 10 mins of this, the balloons started popping. Now, let's get a mental picture here.....a crowded airline gate area, add to that many popping sounds! Ah yeah, right....so not a good idea. There were pilots walking by, on their way to the gate when 2 or 3 balloons popped. I thought they were going to drop to the floor.....their faces were priceless. It's funny now, but it wasn't at that point. These kids were running all over the gate area, punching balloons up and down, with much balloon popping happening. It was kinda scary to hear that noise and not know what it was.
Finally, a gate attendant went over and told them to stop. They did, but only for about 15 mins or so, then they went right back to it. The parents response??? They actually said this to the gate attendant...'Well, it's a long wait to board, so they need to let off some energy."...I kid you not.

Most kids are pretty well-behaved when they fly. And there are adults who are badly behaved. It's not just the kids. It just seems that when you get a child who is running up and down the aisle or jumping around in the seat, yelling, it colors everyone's picture of flying with kids!
 
Guess what? Each kid has their own personality. My 4 year old son never threw a temper tantrum. My DD who just turned 3 is famous for them. We can try to punish her, ignore her, distract her, entertain her six ways to Sunday. It isn't going to make her stop if she isn't ready. Believe me I have tried everything, and yes if nothing else fails you have to remove her so as to not distrub others, right? Uh, not gonna happen on a plane. Can you disipline a 4, 6, 10 year old? Yes, but you can always reason with a toddler or infant. I have a friend who always used to be a little judgemental about other peoples kids. Her first son never really gave her any trouble. Then she had her second son. She realized that some personality is born and you have to work with who they are. We will be the 2 parents hoping for the best with a 5 year old, 3 year old and 1 year old.

Except there have been stories about airlines who DID remove families with children who couldn't be controlled by the parents so don't assume that if your child is having a temper tantrum that the rest of the plane is just going to have to suffer though in silence. They may be cheering as your family is tossed off.
 
Another thought..any child under the age of three (prefer to four)should be in a carseat. We are flying with our 2 1/2 yr old and we are not renting a car when we go to WDW. My DH lobbied hard to not take the carseat. I said no way..it is coming. Is it going to be a pain to drag through the airport? Yep. But she will not be able to climb out of her seat and be more comfy.

Lastly..I have to correct a misconception. The children who were escorted off for tantruming were not kicked off because their child was noisy. It was because they wouldn't be buckled in or stay in their seats.
 
I remember traveling with my young children- one was under one- but the gentleman across the row gave me " the look" when we boarded...he complimented us after the flight- I am sure he thought ..here I go...I admit being the same way. one of my flights last year, I asked for earplugs ( Midwest had them) I was so exhausted and just wanted to rest.
 
Another thought..any child under the age of three (prefer to four)should be in a carseat. We are flying with our 2 1/2 yr old and we are not renting a car when we go to WDW. My DH lobbied hard to not take the carseat. I said no way..it is coming. Is it going to be a pain to drag through the airport? Yep. But she will not be able to climb out of her seat and be more comfy.

Lastly..I have to correct a misconception. The children who were escorted off for tantruming were not kicked off because their child was noisy. It was because they wouldn't be buckled in or stay in their seats.

Whatever the logic used, the end result was that the tantruming children and family ended up NOT on the plane.
 

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