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Art?? No, a very sad hoax

:rotfl: :rotfl:

I was speaking of the art!

Lots of things are gross and I do not want to see them - embalming, brain surgery, amputations, enemas, some wild porn, etc.

But of course they should be legal.

When you get right down to it, birth is gross, sex is gross, elimination of waste is gross...why some could even say, life itself is gross. And, I hope all of them remain legal, too. ;)
 
I couldn't even read all of the article - it made me seriously ill.

I am pro-choice, so the concept of abortion doesn't gross me out or repulse me, but the idea of getting pregnant just to self-induce the abortion does.

MTE. That's absolutely disgusting.
 
What an attention-starved, morally bankrupt nutcase. :eek:

That about sums it up.

Things like this are why I am SO not impressed with Yale. I remember at a former job having our director tells us how fortunate we were to have our particular supervisor because she had been educated at Yale. And when she said Yale, it was said in an almost reverent tone. She was an idiot, had no people skills, no management skills, no appreciable skills of any kind other than her degree from Yale.

Big whoop...if you have enough money and know the right people, pretty much anyone can get a degree from anywhere, whether they actually deserve the degree or not.
 
Hmm, well, I can't say I entirely believe it, but my primary concern would be of the artists health if it is true. She is in her rights to do it, and it is getting a big reaction (the goal of most forms of art), but she may end up doing serious harm to her body. However, this would not be the first time artists harmed themselves in the name of art, and I cannot say I am outraged or anything. Just confuzzeld and curious.

She did get us all thinking, or at least feeling, so my hats off to her for that.
 


If you'd like to "Meet the Artist" and get some further insight into her mindset, go to YouTube and search on "Soapbox Event at Federal Hall PART 2". I'd post the link here, but since it was a "free speech" event, some of the language isn't DIS friendly. She's the one in the leopard outfit. (The name at the start of the video appears to be the organizer of the event or the video maker.)
 
I thought all women knew of menstrual extraction. It is a way to reduce the length of your period, or to abort very early.

I was dragged to a "class" by my crazy aunt in the 1980s - she was convinced that abortion would be outlawed and wanted to make sure we all knew how to protect ourselves.

So I believe she could do this herself.
Actually, very few women are aware of menstrual extraction. This method (device) isn't readily available or commonly used, if it were there would be a drastic reduction in abortions. and besides, the 'artist' said she used herbal methods. And herbal methods are really sketchy, often not being successful. (again, if they worked so well, there would be no need for abortion clinics) There would have been no need for Roe v Wade if abortion was easily taken care of at home.

There are so many variables that lean towards this being completely unlikely, I stand by my opinion that she is lying.
 
Do I wanna ask what menstrual extraction is I'm afraid to google that :scared:
 


Others are saying that this is either a hoax, or a case of the "artist" having no clue what she is talking about... Yeah, I know it's a conservative news site but:
This girl put her body through the repeated physical abuse of impregnation and miscarriage for her "art." If this were true, it would have been quite a physical ordeal. In fact, if it had really happened, I'd imagine that she might possibly have put her health, or at least her future ability to become pregnant, at risk. But, in truth she was likely never pregnant, she never had any "miscarriages" and there was nothing but common menstrual fluids resulting.

What was her "process"? How did she create these so-called miscarriages? She asked boys she knew to donate sperm (she claims she also asked them to have tests for sexually transmitted diseases), she supposedly implanted that sperm into herself, and then she took these claimed herbal concoctions misleadingly called "abortifacient drugs" to end the pregnancy with forced miscarriage.

The main question is, was she ever pregnant? I have to say most likely no. The "turkey baster" method of implanting semen for impregnation is very ineffective, though known to be successful. Sperm does not live for too long once it hits the open air, so implantation would had to have occurred quickly after the issuing of the fluids. So, to assume that this girl had actually impregnated herself is not a good bet. There is no indication that there was any sort of "controls" placed on her efforts at implantation and, since there was never once any medical care, there is no proof that she ever was pregnant at all.

Secondly, the so-called "drugs" she used to induce the "miscarriages" are not real drugs. To even call them drugs is misleading. The so-called drugs, the abortifacient drugs, are herbal concoctions that have no medicinal value.

...(snip)...

So, what do we really have here? No proof of any real impregnation, no proof that the "drugs" taken could really induce miscarriage, and no medical tests to buttress any claims. In other words, we have a hoax. If not a hoax, we have a girl who has no idea what she is talking about and too many willing accomplices in the school and the media to just accept her claims as truth without any logic or science to put such claims to the test.

...(snip)...

And then we get to how this "art" project makes light of the real psychological pain that miscarriages cause women. My wife, for instance, went through a miscarriage early in our marriage and to this day she hurts over the event. There is real pain involved for women who have miscarriages, pain that should not be so casually mistreated by this so-called “artist.” They have often invested much emotional attachment to their impending baby's birth, they have settled into becoming a mother, and then, when that life is extinguished for whatever reason, an emotional pain often devastates the woman. She has lost her baby. Who gets over that with the snap of the fingers? Worse, what sort of hateful person would induce the pain of such a loss over and over again on purpose?

I will guarantee that there will be thousands of women who will read this story and will have that pain revisited to their minds immediately, that this Yale "art" student is causing pain to hundreds of thousands of women as we speak. There will be thousands of others incensed that this woman so blithely discarded the life inside her that many who are desperate to become pregnant are trying so hard to foster inside themselves.

Link

If you watch the video I mentioned here, I think you'll agree that the "artist" at the center of this is definitely an attention seeker that has a true understanding of her importance and brilliance. I'm inclined to agree that it's a bogus claim.
 
UNTRUE - the abortion story was fabricated

Statement from Yale said:
New Haven, Conn. — April 17, 2008

Ms. Shvarts is engaged in performance art. Her art project includes visual representations, a press release and other narrative materials.

She stated to three senior Yale University officials today, including two deans, that she did not impregnate herself and that she did not induce any miscarriages. The entire project is an art piece, a creative fiction designed to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding form and function of a woman’s body.

She is an artist and has the right to express herself through performance art.

Had these acts been real, they would have violated basic ethical standards and raised serious mental and physical health concerns.

Link
 
I knew that the Yale administration would not have approved of this. While I am disgusted by the representation of the student's art, I have to admit that her "performance" was successful. She managed to add a new angle to a subject that has been debated ad nauseum for decades. What a gutsy, brilliant idea. Boola Boola!

Now the question is whether or not the Yale Daily News knew the truth behind the project and engaged in deliberate deception.
 
If you'd like to "Meet the Artist" and get some further insight into her mindset, go to YouTube and search on "Soapbox Event at Federal Hall PART 2". I'd post the link here, but since it was a "free speech" event, some of the language isn't DIS friendly. She's the one in the leopard outfit. (The name at the start of the video appears to be the organizer of the event or the video maker.)

The video's been taken down.
 
The video's been taken down.
Not too surprised... when I last saw it the comments were getting vicious very quickly. The video was posted to YouTube, and removed, by her adviser.

Here's a still of Aliza Shvarts from the video:

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and a quote "And you know we are conditioned that way, and why are we conditioned that way, and you know... Because we have this huge _______ institution ... it's these patriarchal heteronormative trappings of a right to speak.... " (applause, applause)
 

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