23 Magical Nights: Norway, Iceland, Scotland & the Baltics (with ABD add-on). UPDATED Complete!

CaliforniaGirl09

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[Note: I am posting this while on the ship and will add pictures when I return home]

A little background on the participants: Traveling with DH, DS (18—special needs) and DD (15). We are from CA and traveling with my friend from law school and her family, who are our frequent Disney travel companions. We’ve done the Med, Alaska and the Fantasy DCL cruises and Scotland ABD together. These are my 11th and 12th cruises, my son’s 7th and 8th, and my husband and daughter’s 6th and 7th. I’ve done a few extra girl’s cruises (with my friend from law school above) and my son and I did a last minute DVC priced Fantasy cruise a couple years when my husband and daughter were in Ireland for a sporting event.

23 nights on a ship actually isn’t my ideal (I have a hard time with the food on the ship), so how did this all come about? We were clamoring for a DCL return to the Baltics so when they announced that and my bucket list cruise to Iceland, Norway and the Faroes (which was changed), we decided not to take the chance that they wouldn’t return for another five years and go for both. I’m about half way through the trip right now, and it’s gone by fast so far. I’m hopeful that 23 days will end up being not as daunting as it seemed. But I'm craving a decent egg and mexican food :)

As for the ABD add-on… We love the ABD product and have wanted to try the add-ons so when they announced the one for the Baltics, we jumped on it. Good thing, too, as it sold out in the first few hours. Once the more detailed itinerary was released though (which sounded very bland with none of the typical ABD special touches), I did have reservations about whether to keep it. Ultimately, I decided to gamble on the assumption that ABD always does a good job. We’ll see how it pans out. I’ve heard mixed reviews from previous cruisers so crossing my fingers.

Since this could get really long I thought I’d just give my overall impression of the cruise with a focus on excursions (and the ABD add-on).

TO BE CONTINUED...
 
11 Night Norway, Iceland and Scotland cruise:

GENERAL IMPRESSIONS: I think this cruise is going to be hard to beat. I would go back to Norway and Iceland in a heartbeat (I travel to Scotland once or twice a year so that’s a given). These are all extremely beautiful countries. The scenery is varied and very dramatic. Probably the most dramatic that we saw was Lysefjord in Norway.

[Caveat: we had incredible weather in Norway. It was warm and sunny, which I think makes a huge difference. I would love to go back soon and see some of the even better fjords in the west that weren’t on our itinerary. ABD Norway just moved up the list!]

EXCURSIONS: We did a mixture of Disney Port Adventures and private tours. We were extremely happy with almost all of them (see comments below).But prepare for sticker shock. Our family of 4 spent over $5300 total on all the excursions. Ouch!

[Sorry for any misspellings which I will correct when I get home and am not paying for wifi :)]

Oslo: DCL Port Adventure: Amusement Park and Viking Ship Museum. The main thing I wanted to see in Oslo was the Viking Ship museum so this was a nice option. The ships were awesome. The museum was a nice quick stop yet it was long enough to see everything and pop into the gift shop. We also had a short city tour and a chance to drive by some of the other museum offerings on the island. The amusement park was something we chose to get our special needs son acclimated. It was a standard maybe slightly dated (but charming) amusement park with a few thrill rides. The fun thing was that everything was in Norwegian. Apparently they don’t get many cruise tour buses :) With the exception of the two coaches from DCL, all the other visitors were Norwegian. There was a little confusion when we got there with the food tickets that resulted in a wait, but otherwise we had fun. I was happy to find pretty decent tacos to eat. Again we had awesome weather, which made a difference. Bottom line: If you want a little taste of the historical with a few hours at an amusement park for a little Norwegian immersion this is a good choice.

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Christiansand: DCL Port Adventure: RIB boat adventure. This was an awesome PA on another gorgeous day. Again, I think the weather really added to the experience—it was beautiful out on the water. We did the Thames RIB boats a number of years ago and thought that was a blast—this one went even faster. The driver really opened up the throttle and the boat jumped all over the place. Our seaside tour gave us a chance to see some of the charming summer cottages around the archipelago. They are very small—often without heat and water—but can cost upward of $500k! Due to the high cost they are often passed on in families. The boat ride was pretty short, which gave us the opportunity to walk around the town and find lunch off the ship (yay!). One of highlights of the day for me was a waterside lunch in red school house looking building. It was very expensive ($200 for 4 without alcohol) but delicious and a lovely place to relax and enjoy the scenery. I can’t find the name right now, but I’ll try to fill in later. Bottom line: if you have a chance to do an RIB boat ride somewhere … do it!
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Stavanger: DCL Port Adventure: Lysefjord by sea. I was really worried about this one when I received the tickets. It failed my first test of meeting in the Walt Disney Theater, which inevitably means sitting and waiting (and a huge group). We did wait, and it was a large group, but it wasn’t as bad as some of the other PAs we’ve done. I hate these big PAs mostly because of the masses of the waiting and the coaches. The huge bonus with this one was that you literally walk right off the ship and board the ferry. No coach! Again we had a gorgeous day, which made for some pretty spectacular pictures. With all the sun shining on this spectacular scenery, it would be hard not to enjoy. I wish there was a way everyone could be guaranteed good weather :) The big disappointment for us in this cruise was not being able to climb pulpit rock. A DISer started a petition for DCL to extend the port time to give us enough time to climb it, but DCL didn’t change their mind. This cruise to pulpit rock was the next best thing, and we really did get some great views and scenery. The PA included a stop at the visitor center for a pancake and coffee; it was well organized and tasty. The ferry was fairly new and nicely equipped. I was really struck by how clean everything was in Norway. Love that. Bottom line: a great alternative to climbing pulpit rock, especially on a sunny day.
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Reykjavik day one: DCL PA: Snorkeling into the deep blue. We really debated on what to do here—there were so many things that looked amazing. I normally would have thought that doing the golden circle was an absolutely “must do,” but I’ve really changed the way I like to travel the past few years and decided to do something more adventuresome and unusual. Also, I knew we had two more days in Iceland to do natural wonders type of sightseeing, and I thought it would be too much to do it for three days. Turned out that two days of the natural sightseeing was plenty, and the snorkeling ended up being the highlight for everyone (except maybe my son) on the first cruise. The snorkeling takes place at Silfra between the two tectonic plates (north american and eurasian). It is supposedly one of the most beautiful places in the world to snorkel and the deep pools of stunning blue did not disappoint. It was a once in a lifetime type of experience, and I’m so glad we weren’t as crazy as most people thought we were. BONUS: it was a small group of about 16, which meant virtually none of the usual DCL PA waiting. I was a little worried about this PA because I have an 18 year old special needs son and we didn’t know how he would react to the extremely tight and restricting dry suit. I gave him about a 50/50 shot of doing it. The good news is that although there was a few minutes of panicking when the mask went on (which was odd as he is used to a mask!), we managed to coax him into the water and he did it—and even enjoyed it :)
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DCL could have done a much better in providing information on what to expect with this PA. We would have been totally unprepared had I not done research on dry suits and the company via google. We ended up wearing smart wool long underwear to go under the dry suit, which was huge. Only my very skinny 15 year old daughter was a little cold. The rest of us were nice and warm, which is pretty amazing given how cold the water is. Some people were stripping down to their underwear because you can’t wear regular clothes under the dry suit. Bottom line: a truly once in a lifetime experience that I highly recommend for adults/teens. Be warned, there is quite a bit of driving and prep time for the 45 minute to 1 hour snorkel, but it was still well worth it. EDITED: This ended up being our favorite activity of both cruises.

Second day in Reykjavik: we focused on the natural beauty by doing DCL’s “Lets Go Volcano and the Blue Lagoon” PA. The cave part of it was a bit of a let down (especially compared to the amazing cave we saw the following day), but we enjoyed the climb to the crater and the blue lagoon. The PA was really expensive though and IMO not worth it. It was by far our most expensive PA at $1500 for the four of us. It basically involved a short (100 ft or so?) trek into a dark cave, four wheel driving around to a few locations (crater, mud pools), followed by lunch at a charming little fish place, and then the blue lagoon. We were at the blue lagoon for over three hours, which would have been way too long had they not had free wifi. I was surprised how much I liked the blue lagoon. I was a little worried because it was man-made and not natural, but it was really cool and probably my favorite part of the day. Bottom Line: the PA itself was fine/fun, but just not worth that amount of money, especially compared to the cost of a private driver, which would have covered a lot more, or doing the Blue Lagoon Port Adventure for $240 less per person.

Akureyri: Private Excursion to Lake Mythven. Fun private excursion with “Oscar” (his Icelandic name was too difficult for all of us to pronounce, LOL). The biggest surprise of the day was the first stop at a huge crater that was filled with cloudy blue water. Gorgeous! We made a bunch of stops in the Mythven (midge lake) area and were bombarded by midges most of the second half of the day. Mud pools, energy station, view points, fake craters, Godafoss (kind of rushed at that, which was a little disappointing) but overall very good day with a lot of different terrain. Loved Godafoss but the unexpected highlight for me was the grotto cave that inspired love nest scene in Game of Thrones with Jon Snow and Igret. Not sure if filmed there or not. One of our party almost went into the water crossing the rocks :) I was hoping Disney would mark our crossing the Arctic Circle with a certificate or something, but we didn’t get anything to mark the occasion (I have on other ships for similar things). Surprisingly, there was nothing to celebrate Disney’s first stop at Iceland and Scotland either. (EDITED: Spoke to soon! We did receive a very cute lithograph for the stops to Iceland and Scotland.)

Orkney—private excursion. I was very disappointed when Disney decided to change the Faroe port to Orkney as the Faroes are my #1 bucket list and I’ve been to Orkney twice. But aside from my personal disappointment, I think this was an excellent change for 99% of my fellow passengers, including my family who’d never been to Orkney and seen the amazing UNESCO sites. Scara Brae—even for the third time—is amazing, as is Maes Howe, the Stones of Stenness and the Ring of Brodgar. We hit all of the above and the Broch at Gurness as well as the archeological dig at Ness of Brodgar (which was the highlight for me). We did this with a private driver, who we loved. Never would have been able to do all of it with Disney, which is why we booked privately. Also managed to get an hour of shopping in at Kirkwall. Probably the best lunch of the trip was at Scara Brae—a very hearty and delicious lentil and Cullin skink soup, bread, and a scone with clotted cream and fresh jam. Wish they had that on the ship.

GENERAL SHIP COMMENTS: We were really disappointed in some of the adult entertainment options, particularly the trivia. There weren’t nearly enough and every one we went to was way too packed. I don’t get why they don’t do more of something that is obviously hugely successful—especially on the sea days—like they’ve had on some of our other cruises I've been on. Instead of one or two they should have had three or four a day ... at least. O'Gills was packed for every one.

The main Walt Disney Theater shows that we saw were great as usual, and I really liked the addition of Frozen to Dreams. The one negative of doing late dining for us is that for some reason it makes it harder to get to the shows. I ended up missing a couple I wanted to see (Beatle Maniacs show, and the Broadway Belle), but I hope to catch them on cruise #2. The other singers we caught were great as well--especially enjoyed the Irish singers in O'Gills and the fiddler from Iceland. The frozen party was also fun despite being freezing up on deck. The scenery of the snow topped mountains as we were leaving Akureyri was hard to beat.

This was the first time I'd been on the re-imagined Magic, and I really didn't notice very many changes. I guess I'm not all that observant on stuff like that, LOL. I did notice that the Fathoms hallway on deck 3 and Cariocas were very ... blue. Cabanas up top is definitely an improvement. The ship definitely seems fresher than the last time we were on.

The food: I know many people don’t have a problem with the food, but when you are on the ship for more than a week all the heaviness really begins to wear. Thank God for nightly curry—I ate Indian for every night but two (one of which was Palo). Breakfast and lunch were bleak. I'm living on All Bran, grapefruit slices, and the occasional peanut butter toast, hard boiled egg, or yogurt. For lunch I've been ordering uncrustables (which I’d never had before). I really wish they’d mix in a few simple offerings, like peanut butter and jelly or tuna fish to make sandwiches. How about carving turkey for sandwiches (not processed lunch meat) and decent cheese? Sigh. They do try though.

TO BE CONTINUED for Cruise #2 ...
 
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Terrific reviews of Port Adventures. Thank you! I think we will see you on the Baltics cruise...
 
Terrific reviews of Port Adventures. Thank you! I think we will see you on the Baltics cruise...
Thanks so much. I should have mentioned that if anyone has any questions about the Norway/Iceland cruise or excursions I'm happy to answer.

How fun that you are on the Baltics cruise as well. What spectacular weather we had today in Dover. That might have been one of the most crowded sail away parties I've ever been to.
 

We are going to north Europe next year. I love to read your review.
 
We are going to north Europe next year. I love to read your review.
We will hit our first port tomorrow (Copenhagen). The cruise is off to a great start. Thanks for following :)

Looking forward to hearing more of your travels. Have fun!!
Thanks so much! From the first meeting we had with ABD today, it sounds like it's going to be very fun and VERY busy! Can't wait.
 
Great summary of the trip. We were onboard as well... We also did the Snorkel into the Blue on the Sunday and were extremely nervous about it given that so little information was provided by DCL. However, it was an amazing experience overall...

We also felt that the programming onboard was lacking. Especially since we had a cruise where there was little to no time spent on Deck 9 or 10 for anyone given the weather. My opinion is that Natalie is just not a good Cruise Director in terms of planing the programs. Last year when we did the Panama Canal and had to cancel our Mexican Riveria ports of call due to a hurricane, Cruise Director Jimmy and staff put together some amazing programming including an 'I Survived' hurricane party.

We were also very disappointed in that DCL did not acknowledge their inaugural trips to Iceland and Scotland on this cruise nor the first time the Magic crossed the Arctic Circle. Those little niceties are what we expect when we sail DCL. Didn't happen this time. Perhaps DCL is starting to go the way of WDW when it comes to pay more, lose what made you unique.
 
Great summary of the trip. We were onboard as well... We also did the Snorkel into the Blue on the Sunday and were extremely nervous about it given that so little information was provided by DCL. However, it was an amazing experience overall...

We also felt that the programming onboard was lacking. Especially since we had a cruise where there was little to no time spent on Deck 9 or 10 for anyone given the weather. My opinion is that Natalie is just not a good Cruise Director in terms of planing the programs. Last year when we did the Panama Canal and had to cancel our Mexican Riveria ports of call due to a hurricane, Cruise Director Jimmy and staff put together some amazing programming including an 'I Survived' hurricane party.

We were also very disappointed in that DCL did not acknowledge their inaugural trips to Iceland and Scotland on this cruise nor the first time the Magic crossed the Arctic Circle. Those little niceties are what we expect when we sail DCL. Didn't happen this time. Perhaps DCL is starting to go the way of WDW when it comes to pay more, lose what made you unique.

You just completely summarized my feelings--thanks for putting it into words so well. I hope DCL isn't going the way of WDW, too.

I hadn't made the connection with Natalie, but good point--especially about the weather. The sea days were definitely lacking. The second cruise has been a little better with the trivia, although they are repeating questions from the first cruise (and even from other trivias this trip). The other stuff is the same and pretty basic.

We felt the same way about snorkeling--very nervous at the outset--but it was such a great thing to do. So glad you guys enjoyed, too.
 
Continuing ... on to cruise #2!

This is my second B2B and both times I think I’ve been unlucky in that the embarkation process took longer than I’ve heard is typical. We had to stand at gangway for a long time while they opened some door, but eventually (probably 45 minutes to an hour after meeting time) we were off and rebooked in new rooms. At that point we went into Dover, so I’m not sure how long it took to get back on the ship.

Originally we booked the same connecting rooms for both cruises, but when we added the ABD add-on, we downgraded our stateroom category (9c to 9a) to save about $4000. Basically it meant a move from deck 6 to deck 2. Turned out to be a good thing as we ended up with a bigger room and the bathroom didn’t have the slight sewer smell of the first one, although it was considerably louder especially when nearing port with the engine noise. I was first in line but there weren’t any upgrades on this cruise—despite there being plenty of rooms seemingly available last time I looked. I don’t believe there were any upgrades on the first cruise either.

It’s funny. The Iceland/Norway cruise was supposed to be basically sold out, but the second cruise feels way—way—more crowded. I think there must be a lot more families on this cruise compared to the first. With an early port time in Copenhagen, Cabanas was a nightmare on early port days. The first day there wasn’t any place to sit inside or even immediately outside. This would have been a perfect time for room service, but I always forget about that option (update: I ended up doing it two days later, and I won’t be doing that again—the milk was warm and it took them 1/2 hour to deliver after the phone call that “it was on its way.”)

Back to the B2B…

There was one unexpected challenge with moving down to deck 2. On the last girls’ cruise I did with my friend from law school (the same one who is traveling with us on the B2B), she decided not to use the elevator the entire time. I decided to join her, and we didn’t step into the elevator on our five day cruise until we were leaving with our luggage (we pulled our luggage out ourselves so we had no choice). My entire family got with the game plan for the first cruise and we didn’t use the elevator for the entire eleven days. It really wasn’t a big deal (even in heels) when we were on deck 6, but moving down to deck 2 has been much more of a challenge—especially going to Palo, Cabanas, the cove or the spa. We’ll see if everyone sticks with it, but it’s a great thing to do so pass it on:) It’s nice to leave the elevators to people who really need them and burn a few calories at the same time.

As I mentioned above, we did a quick run into Dover from the ship after checking in—mostly to have lunch off the ship and see the Iron Age boat (the oldest existing sea traveling ship) at the Dover Museum. The museum is small and on the quaint side, but the exhibit for the boat was pretty impressive, as was the ten minute video that went along with it. We visited Dover Castle a few years back so that’s why we didn’t do that. The cab ride into town was cheap and fast. We had lunch at a great little sandwich shop (I had a very yummy tuna toastie & a scone) and walked around the town a little bit. My daughter needed a sim card for an upcoming separate trip to London so we took care of that, found free wifi at McDonalds and then headed back to the ship.
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We met the ABD Adventure guides—Dusty and James—when we returned to the ship. They both seemed great (as always seems to be the case with ABD, LOL) but we were *really* disappointed to hear that our group would be 49. My understanding when booking was that the group would be 40 ish (Max 44), which is already huge and bigger than any ABD adventure I’ve been on (this is my fourth). The guides said that there were over 200 people on the waiting list for the add-on and they wanted to accommodate as many people as possible, but I feel this was done at the expense of what makes ABD special (and what you pay the huge premium for!)—the small group size.

When the itinerary for the add-on came out I was pretty underwhelmed. It sounded like a bunch of city tours and museums, which is fine but not what I expect from ABD and certainly not what justifies the high premium. I could do those on my own for much cheaper. To compare, on our Scotland ABD trip we launched boats from Urquhart Castle (the only company allowed to do so) and kayaked on Loch Ness. We did archery in front of Glamis Castle, went horseback riding in a National Park and took a private plane to the Isle of Lewis. We made scones and had numerous cultural enhancements like whisky tasting, Scottish dancers, bagpipers and other special things I won’t ruin. The only thing remotely like that in the Baltic Add-on is the graffiti experience in Berlin.

As I mentioned before, I was very close to canceling but ultimately decided to give it a try. ABD has never disappointed me, and I thought at the very least, I would have a much smaller group experience. With 49 people there went that. This group is bigger—much bigger—than most of the regular DCL PAs I did in Norway/Iceland. Two of those were 16 people. I’d also heard that with ABD you were “first off and last on.” That hasn’t been the case so far. Not to jump ahead too much but on the Stockholm day, I felt we were really squeezed for time at the Vasa museum only to return to the ship with 40 minutes until all aboard time. I felt we should have had at least a half hour longer there. Again, I had Disney PA’s on the first cruise that maximized the time and ran right up until all aboard time.

Back to the disappointing group size… There is a big difference between a group of 50 and a group of 35-40. Even things like the bathrooms are more challenging (when most places only have one or two stalls for women). The bus was basically packed with no space to spread out and getting people on and off and to and fro takes longer. The first day it felt like a regular Port Adventure tour group and not an ABD experience. Actually much of it feels that way so far with one exception so far, which I’ll get to with Berlin.

Copenhagen. This would be a return to Copenhagen for us as it was the embarkation city for the first cruise. We purposefully didn’t do much exploring when we arrived initially—other than going to the National Museum and taking a peek at Tivoli—as we knew we’d be back in a couple weeks with ABD.

Our large group of 49 met at 8:45 in Cariocas. We were off the ship by about 9 and did a walking tour of Copenhagen, which included the royal palace and the little mermaid statue. It was fine, but nothing you couldn’t have done on your own or with a regular port adventure. The canal boat ride that followed was also fine—and I really liked seeing the city from the water—but again nothing you couldn’t have done on your own or with a DCL port adventure. We had a very nice Danish style lunch at a restaurant along the canal, which we really enjoyed, although it was a little rushed at the end as we’d just been served our coffee and dessert (we were some of the last served), when Dusty got up to say it was time to go to Tivoli.

At Tivoli we were given wristbands that enabled us to ride as many rides as we could in a little over 2 hours. I think we were able to fit in 4 or 5. The park is charming and definitely a “must do” in Copenhagen for any Disney fan (inspiration for Disneyland is putting it mildly!). We didn’t have any kind of tour or anything, so again it wasn’t anything we couldn’t have done on our own or with a Port Adventure. Actually DCL had a really cool sounding Port Adventure that gave an "Exclusive" type backstage type tour of Tivoli. The explanation that I was given as to why we didn’t have anything like this was that we didn’t have enough time, but I really feel that there should have been something special at the park.
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Bottom line: A nice day but nothing special and nothing that justified the high ABD premium. It felt like a regular group/coach tour. The large group played a big part of that, but also the activities themselves weren’t special or unique or anything that couldn’t have been done on my own or with DCL for much cheaper. I’m waiting for the value add…

[To be continued...]
 
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Love your report! Can't wait to hear more as we are considering the Baltics for next year. We were on the 11-night Norway/Iceland/Scotland cruise plus the 9-night Norway right before it. I have to agree about the programming on the 11-night. In fact, I felt like there was far more to do on the 9-night including more trivia programming. I'm not exactly sure what happened on the 11-night, but there were times when there was absolutely nothing I was interested in doing. If Michelle Millardi is is performing on the Baltics cruise, do try to see her show! She was amazing.
 
You just completely summarized my feelings--thanks for putting it into words so well. I hope DCL isn't going the way of WDW, too.

I hadn't made the connection with Natalie, but good point--especially about the weather. The sea days were definitely lacking. The second cruise has been a little better with the trivia, although they are repeating questions from the first cruise (and even from other trivias this trip). The other stuff is the same and pretty basic.

We felt the same way about snorkeling--very nervous at the outset--but it was such a great thing to do. So glad you guys enjoyed, too.

Speaking with a co worker of mine who was on the 9 night Norwegian before ours and she said the same thing. Not much in the way of on ship programming OR even more at night to accomodate the 'midnight sun' scenario... I don't know about you but we couldn't even start getting ready for bed until 1 AM even on days we had strenuous excursions.
 
Hi CaliforniaGirl - I'm enjoying your trip reports. I hope that you're still enjoying the Baltic add-on even if it doesn't have all the special touches. And it is very disappointing they have such a big group (and that you're not first one off/last ones on).

Based on how our trip goes next week, it will strongly determine whether we go back to ABD for either a cruise add-on or land adventure. I'm really looking forward to the cruise and hope its fun!
 
Thanks for all the nice comments! So glad you guys are enjoying. We are on our way to St. Petersburg and internet has been a little spotty, so hope this goes through. Glad I wasn't alone in my feelings about the first cruise programming :) TFC it was definitely difficult to get to bed with it being so light! Hey Paddles, I'm sure you will have fun. We are pretty much in the same boat with you. It will be interesting to compare notes. I hope you will do a trip report or summary, too.

We have a pretty packed couple of days in St. Petersburg, so hopefully I'll be able to get a few more days up soon...
 
Finally a couple of sea days to catch up on a little. Anyway, here is Berlin. More to come later tonight (I hope!).

Berlin—I was really looking forward to Berlin, and from what we saw I’d love to go back sometime. I really liked the vibe of the city. Not only does it have a ton of interesting history, but it is also reinventing itself, and there is a distinct bohemian/edgy vibe that I liked.

The train ride went really smoothly in both directions—about 2 hours 20ish minutes each way. ABD has it’s own compartment, but from what I could tell most of the other port adventures did as well. We were not given any boarding or exiting privileges and fought our way through the hundreds of people on the train that Disney had chartered.

Our long train journey was followed by a morning coach city tour (are you detecting a theme?). From the itinerary it sounded like we would make a stop at the Holocaust Memorial, but we didn’t—it was just a drive by. We took a picture at what remains of the wall—which was cool—and also did picture stops at Checkpoint Charlie and the Brandenburg Gate. At CC we had maybe 20 minutes to take a picture, check out the souvenir shop or buy something at McDonalds to use the facilities (which is what we did). They had a McCafe so it was too birds with one stone. We also drove by the Reichstag. I would have loved to inside to the upper viewpoint terrace; it is supposed to be one of the best things to do in Berlin. But I was told ABD couldn’t arrange it and would have required queueing in a long line. [Edited: Strangely, when I looked online at home, there IS an option to pre-book groups, opposite of what they told me: https://www.bundestag.de/htdocs_e/visits/kuppel (see brochure to right with "visiting groups."] The entire morning felt pretty rushed, and I was disappointed to not have time to even walk up to the Brandenburg gate (we took pictures from pretty far back). There was very little walking around all morning and the no-stop at the Holocaust memorial was a bummer (especially as it is highlighted in the promo material).

We had yet another delicious lunch of soup, bratwurst, potatoes and sauerkraut, with the best pretzels I’ve ever had. The adults also had a choice of beer or wine. I should have mentioned that unlike most ABDs I’ve been on, alcohol was included for all the meals, which was a nice touch. Of course, there were only six meals so maybe that’s why. The meals were also excellent. Probably the best I’ve had on an ABD.

After lunch, we headed to the graffiti activity. We did a short walking tour to see some examples of graffiti with our guide (who was great), and then we went to a cool “underground” bar to give it a try. Using techniques they demonstrated, we spray painted away on canvases (not walls, LOL). It was much more fun than I expected, and the entire family enjoyed the different perspective on the city.

This was the kind of unique activity that I expect from ABD, and why they have been my go-to tour operator for the family. Unfortunately, there weren’t many of these type of activities on this trip, which might have been a function of being a cruise add-on. Unlike a land based tour, you are only in the city for a short period of time, and I suspect most people are expecting to see the “biggies” for that particular city. I’m sure there were some people on the tour who were disappointed that we spent an afternoon spray painting rather than seeing more of Berlin. But it’s the kind of thing we’ll remember much more than hopping off a bus for a quick picture of a famous site.
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Bottom line: I didn’t love the coach city tour all morning and short picture stops. I would rather have had a shorter lunch and time to walk around the Holocaust memorial and Brandenburg gate. Again, I think we were hampered by the size of the group. It took so long to do pictures for so many people and get people on and off the bus. The graffiti activity was really fun though—and cool and different.

Sea day. We had four sea days on this cruise, and except for two one hour receptions (welcome and farewell), a one hour animation class, and a one hour or so trivia contest, there weren’t any other ABD activities scheduled on these days. I have no idea why ABD doesn’t offer more on sea days, it’s been one of the things that has always bothered me about the add-ons (especially when the guidebook suggests that this is a 12 day trip rather than a 7 day trip—the number of port days for which we actually did something—and suggests tipping based on 12 days).

[Aside: When calculating the “cost” of the trip, I divided the total by 7, although I could have done 6 1/2 since the day in Estonia was so short, but certainly not 12. If you are interested it came out to about $485 a day per person ($3389 for cost of add-on). Ouch. You can see why my expectations were higher and why I’ve been questioning the “value” with so many city tours and the like.]

On the first cruise, one of my fellow cruisers volunteered to organize three private cocktail parties. For about $18 each were had an open bar for an hour. If it was that easy and cheap, I don’t see why at the very least ABD couldn’t organize cocktail parties every night between the dinners on sea days (concierge passengers have this as well). Unlike other trips I’ve been on, there wasn’t as much bonding on this trip. There are more than a few people who I don’t know the names of. The size of the group definitely had to something to do with it, but there also wasn’t a lot of opportunity. Activities on sea days would have really helped with this.

I also don’t feel as if I got to know the guides as well as I have on other trips—and my kids didn’t either. Again, I think this was a function of the large group—those two guys were so busy there wasn’t a lot of downtime. For this many people there should have been three guides at a very minimum. [Aside: re the group number … on the ABD board one of the DISers contacted ABD, and they said the group size for add-ons is 50. Since when? The irony is that the ABD promo ad on our room TV the entire cruise kept talking about ABDs being limited to 40 people (which is already too big). Talk about false advertising!]

Back to the dearth of activities on sea days… There are so many things they could do—meet for a movie, meet for ship tours, take advantage of the experts on for the cruise and arrange private presentations? Vodka tasting for the adults? Junior adventure get togethers? Helping arrange a group Palo dinner… etc.

I suspect it has to do with the relationship between ABD and DCL—I get the sense that DCL isn’t very accommodating to ABD, which makes it hard to get any privileges from them. If you want niceties on the ship, going concierge makes a lot more sense. ABD is trying to brand itself as VIP and exclusive, but there was nothing on the ship to suggest DCL felt that way. We certainly weren’t given any special boarding options, etc.

Bottom line: ABD needs to up the actives for sea days, especially if they want you to tip based on those days. It would also help with the bonding of the large group and give people a chance to get to know each other better.
 
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Stockholm—This port was the biggest surprise for both me and my husband. We absolutely loved the feel of this city and look forward to returning in the future for at least a few days to experience more of this very picturesque city.

Our first stop was the Armory Museum, which I loved, and the fabulous setting in the lower vaults of the royal palace which I loved even more. The tour continued with a short walking tour through the very charming city. There was also a quick stop at a cathedral that wasn’t anything special, and I could have skipped.

This was the first day that I began to notice how much listening to the tour guide time there was. It was fine the first few days but by time I got to Russia it really began to wear. Think Charlie Brown. The tour guides were all fine, but I think they are taught to talk constantly about everything you are seeing. There is no context and you lose sight of what’s important. I love history, but listening this way isn’t interactive enough for me. Big picture and context should be the goal here, but tour guides don’t seem to get that. I’ve already forgotten most of what they talked about. I’d much prefer to have the cliff notes overview, be given an opportunity to ask questions, and be allowed to explore on our own. Following someone around room by room with or without a listening device in my ear got really old really quick. I could have just purchased the headset and saved a lot of money!

We were given a little bit of free time to shop and then went to lunch in a very cool restaurant that was made of up five old medieval houses (I think). This was my favorite lunch of the week—and they hit it out of the park with all of them—but the Swedish meatballs, to-die-for mashed potatoes, and tart berry compote (like a cranberry sauce) was pure yumminess.

After lunch, we decided to skip the City Hall and food market and go to the ABBA museum on our own and then hook up with the group to do the Vasa museum. We’d been told early on that ABD was going to the ABBA museum as a “surprise” by more than one ABD vacationista and were really disappointed to learn from early travelers that it was not part of the itinerary. The guides were really helpful in facilitating our visit—telling us exactly where to get a cab, helping to preorder tickets, etc. We had an absolute blast. It was total kitschy fun, and I was really impressed with the quality of the exhibits. There were a few interactive things (singing in sound booth, etc.), but the highlight was my daughter and friend getting up on stage to dance along with the band in a holographic kind of wii type thing.
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It was a beautiful sunny day, and on the way to join the group at the Vasa we had a chance to walk along the waterfront. It was a much needed break from the big group and tellingly ABBA and the time on our own ended up being one of the best parts of the trip.

Upon rejoining the group for Vasa, I had the biggest shock of the trip. I *knew* what I was going to see, and Dusty had commented many times that it was his favorite museum in the world, but my mouth literally dropped when I entered the museum. I was totally unprepared for the massiveness of the ship. It was truly amazing.

After a group picture, the guide led us on a tour, which I should totally have skipped and gone around on my own. It was crowded and really hard to hear the guide, and all of what she said was covered in the museum materials. As it was we were given about 40 minutes at the end, which was WAY to short to explore on our own and visit the very cool museum shop. This was a fascinating museum, and we should have had much more time there. There was a great movie about the Vasa that we weren’t able to watch all of in order to give ourselves any time (10 minutes) to shop. We didn’t have time to go to either the basement or upper levels. The worst part? We got back to the ship about 40 minutes before all aboard. UGH. So much for first on last off.
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Bottom line: This was probably my favorite day of the second cruise, which had nothing to do with the fact that it was ABD. Everything (except for the meal) could have easily been done on our own (and some of it was). With the exception of too much tour guide talking, I loved the Armory and the Vasa museums, although our time was too limited. Lunch was delicious, and I’m so glad we skipped out and did ABBA, which was a kitschy blast.

Helsinki: Back on the coach for another … wait for it … city tour! Ugh. I tuned out as we made our way to the Finnish countryside and the small town of Porvoo. It was a really charming little town on a picturesque river, and thankfully we didn’t have a tour, but were left to explore on our own. We made a bee line for the recommended coffee shop on the river, and it did not disappoint. After weeks of the “coffee flavored beverage” that they serve on the ship, the smell of the coffee roasted on premises was heavenly. I had a delicious croissant with fresh raspberry jam that was one of the best I’ve ever had.
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After checking out some of the shops, we got back on the coach for the 15 minutes or so drive to a farm for yet another fantastic meal served in a charming old farmhouse. The BBQ’d meats were delicious and the berry tart at the end was one of my favorites of the desserts. After the meal we walked around a little and heard about the organic farming, and the kids got to feed the sheep, which was really cute.
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I really enjoyed this part of the day, which was a surprise given that I almost skipped it entirely to do a DCL Port Adventure to feed the Reindeer. I think I enjoyed it so much because it was a break from the coach tours/walking tours, which had really begun to wear on me.

Returning to Helsinki, we made a stop at the Rock Church, which wasn’t my schtick at all. I did the Chevy Chase (if you’ve seen Vacation you’ll understand the reference), and got out of there after about a minute. We went to Parliament Square for another stop, and again I took a few pictures and that was about it. We had a good 40 minutes there, and my friend and her family made a quick dash down to the water where there was a food fair type of thing going on. I totally should have done that as well, she came back with some of the best raspberries I’ve ever had.
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Bottom line: Porvoo and the farm was definitely the highlight of the day for me. It was nice to get out in the countryside for a change. Helsinki was fine—and nice to see—but not a city that will draw me back like Stockholm or Berlin. I was completely underwhelmed by the rock church, but that could be just me. Today was a better balance, but I’m already sick of the coach touring.
 
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We got back last night. I hope to have the rest up soon...jet lag should help. I was up this morning at 4 am. On to St. Petersburg!!!

St. Petersburg Day #1—St. Petersburg is definitely a bucket list place. The ostentation and wealth of the czars is truly something to see. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen so much gold on and in buildings.

The problem with St. Petersburg of course is that it isn’t the easiest place to visit and is frankly a little scary. Visa’s are required to enter the country and you can be jailed if you are caught somewhere without one (the scariness of this was brought home at the end of day #2…but that is jumping ahead a bit). Roaming about on your own is pretty much out of the question, and you need to go with a DCL PA or use a private tour guide to get off the ship. We saw a man who looked like he’d tried to get his own visa have a really difficult time. Not sure whether he made it through or not.

I was especially nervous because of my special needs son who can sometimes have odd replies when asked questions or make spontaneous utterances that are off subject. Given the language barrier, I was even more nervous. We were instructed to say nothing and not smile, etc., as we went through. Fortunately my son went along with the plan and behaved appropriately, but it was a very stressful experience each time. ABD and Disney were weren’t able to provide any help in negotiating this process; you are pretty much on your own.

I’d heard nightmare stories about 2 hour waits for early cruisers. We didn’t have that, but in our six(!) exits/entries, we did have some painfully long waits that were unnecessary and seemed purposeful. With one side of the mouth they want the tourism, but with the other there is still vestiges of the cold war that undoubtedly comes from current leadership. One of my customs officers would have had a great career in Hollywood as a KGB agent. Humorless is putting it mildly. We did have one or two that smiled though :) The first day, it took at least 45 minutes to go through customs to get off the ship, and then much to our guides’ surprise it took at least 30 to get back ON the ship. James kept promising that it would be “really quick” this time, and when it inevitably wasn’t, it became something of a joke. Only twice did we go through fairly quickly.

One of the big reasons we ended up going with ABD was the St. Petersburg days. It enabled us to hit the “big four” (Hermitage, Peterhof, Catherine’s Palace, and Church of Spilled Blood), which would have been difficult if not impossible with DCL Port Adventures due to timing of when the PAs’ were offered. We could have undoubtedly done even more with a private tour operator, but I wasn’t comfortable using one having not been there. Being with ABD also gave us a sense of security that alleviated some of my mild anxiety about visiting St. Petersburg.

One of the nice things about the days in St. Petersburg was that we broke up into two buses for the day, which gave everyone a chance to spread out for once. I heard it had something to do with Russian rules and the amount of people they allow on a bus. Whatever the reason, it was nice. The pace of the group was definitely faster those days as well.

After making it through customs, we headed to the Hermitage—the former winter palace of the czars which is now one of the biggest museums in the world—that had opened early for DCL. This was a huge perk (though not an ABD exclusive one). For the first half hour to 45 minutes the museum wasn’t that crowded—we bumped into other Disney port adventure groups and that was it. For the last 45 minutes to an hour it was really crowded, but nothing to what it can sometimes be like according to the guide. The crowds on the way out, however, were miserable and started to impact my enjoyment of the place. I couldn’t wait to get out of there. We were at the museum for about 2 hours and had the whistle stop tour—basically what was expected: a good overview of the museum but not long enough to really appreciate any one area. But it was a long day of going room to room listening through the earbud device to the tour guide. Not exactly fun but in this case unavoidable and what was to be expected.
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[EDITED: I've been thinking about this "listening to tour guide" problem and I can't help but think that it could have been much better and much more engaging. I learned much more from the onboard historian (who was great) and Rick Steves than I did from any of the ABD tour guides. Frankly, I learned more from our cab driver in Denmark with whom we had a great conversation about their high taxes and how they don't mind paying for it with what they get, etc. Disney is know for their storytelling, yet there was nothing pulled together about these days. In Denmark their could have easily been more about Hans Christian Anderson that pulled the things we were seeing together (little mermaid and tivoli), and in Russia, we should have had much more context. The guide talked endlessly about Peter the Great and Catherine the Great, but never talked about WHY they were important. That I read from Rick Steves. Peter the self-styled Great was the czar who essentially brought Russia out of the dark ages and modernized the country. I think the kids (and me) would have been much more interested in hearing about what Russia was like before and after, and how all these buildings fit into that. Peter the Great visited other countries (like France and Versaille) and came back to build Peterhoff, etc. When looking at the rooms of the Hermitage, it would have been interesting to know how much they cost to build and compare it with the life of an average serf. Maybe the guide could have described what life would have been like for a child--that certainly would have engaged my kids. What part did buildings like this and the czar's excesses have in the later revolution? (Maybe even comparing it to France, and the excesses of kings/Marie Antoinette that fostered the French revolution over 100 years before the Russian revolution). I don't think I heard the word "Bolshevik" or "Revolution" the entire time I was there. Their was a brief mention of Anastasia, which given the popularity of that story seems ridiculous. We were seeing all these massive, heavily gilded buildings, and yet had no sense of how they fit into Russian history at all. There was also no mention of communism. I get that the tour guide might be limited on what they could say, but surely they could have mentioned some things?]

A short bus ride later we were at our restaurant for the day. The high marks for lunches continued. We had the salmon and it was delicious, as were the mashed potatoes, salad and soup. We also had champagne and vodka.

After lunch we took a 40 minute hydrofoil ride to Peterhof Palace, the summer palace of the czars. It is very reminiscent of Versailles if you’ve ever seen that. Unfortunately, when we arrived it started to rain. We had about a 15 minute walk to the palace, and by the end it had really started to come down. We took a few pictures, but weren’t given an opportunity to walk around the gardens, which was a shame as they were beautiful. I would have much rather enjoyed them (even in the rain) and have a truncated tour through the very hot and crowded palace. They warned us it could be hot in inside and boy were they right! With the rain it was like a sauna, and by the end of the tour, standing in the cool rain outside was welcome relief. Unlike the Hermitage, Peterhof still retains its furnishings and decorations so you could get a sense for how they lived. Quite nicely, from what I could see :)
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Then came the frustrating part of the day… for some reason (to not pay for dinner?) ABD decided to bring us back to the ship for dinner before our evening canal boat ride, even though most of us would miss our late dining time and have to eat at Cabanas (or yuckanas as my kids called it after 18 days by this point). It would have been so much better to eat in St. Petersburg or take a canal dinner cruise instead. As it was, we left the ship again at 8:15 pm necessitating an additional two customs “experiences,” which reduced our “rest” time. Total waste of time and frustrating to have to go through 4 times in one day rather than 2—especially when we returned late from the canal boat ride after 11 and it took a half hour to clear customs (we had a really early meeting time the next day as well). I wasn’t back in my room until 11:45 pm.

ABD should really reconsider this day and have it go straight through, especially given the next morning’s early start. The canal boat ride itself, however, was an absolute blast and the highlight of the day for me. We had a mostly great weather, a beautiful sunset, champagne, and fabulous Russian entertainment. One of the lady singers was a riot, and a true entertainer. Be warned though that if you sit in the front near the aisle you might be brought to the front to dance :) It was our friends’ anniversary, and they brought them forward for a really nice little acknowledgment and toast.
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Bottom line: Today, I crossed two biggies off my list: the Hermitage and Peterhof. I felt like I should have been more impressed somehow, but everything was pretty much as I expected. Maybe I’ve seen too many pictures :) Some things were pretty amazing (gold fountains for example), but I started to get desensitized to all that gold, LOL. My favorite were the gardens at Peterhof, which unfortunately we didn’t really get a chance to explore. The most frustrating part of the day was definitely customs, which obviously can’t be avoided, but ABD could have planned to day better to avoid having to go through twice each way—not to mention forcing us to eat on the ship when they could have provided dinner. The canal boat ride was the unexpected highlight and a ton of fun.

St. Petersburg day #2—The good feeling of the canal boat ride carried over to our second day, and I think I enjoyed St. Catherine’s Palace more as a result. Despite the fact that much of the building was a reconstruction (having been burned by the Nazis in the war), it was impressive. After about an hour tour inside the palace we split off into groups for a special visit to the amber workshop. Again, this was the kind of activity I expected from ABD that was otherwise lacking except for the graffiti. In the amber workshop, we had a chance to see whether the master artists work on recreating the magnificent amber panels that were stolen by the Nazis and have never been found. The other half of the group went to the shop and then we switched. I wasn’t alone in finding an amber souvenir to purchase :)
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After another delicious lunch (beef stroganoff), we headed to the Church of Spilled Blood for a short listen to the guide through the earbud tour and some on your own shopping time. The Church of Spilled Blood was another surprise for me. It was probably one of the most beautiful churches I’ve ever seen on the inside. The mosaics were stunning.
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I was really looking forward to the shopping time to find some matryoshka dolls. Unfortunately, I was shut out and didn’t find anything in the stores where we were set down to shop (although I did end up buying one on the ship pictured below, probably for a big markup, but I was just happy to find one I liked). We also made a quick stop at the local Starbucks, which was pretty funny to see in Russia.
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When we returned to the bus, the added security of being with ABD was really brought home. We had seven extra passengers on our bus for the ride back to port. Apparently, they had been left behind by their Disney Port Adventure and were understandably terrified and panicked. I can’t imagine how happy they were to see a Disney sign or lanyard. Can you imagine? I have no idea what they would have done. I’m not sure they would have been able to find a taxi and not many people seemed to speak English. The reunion at the port with their very relieved family was tear inducing. They were so traumatized I didn’t want to ask them what happened or how late they were. I still can’t believe Disney left them. It wasn’t like we were pushing the all aboard time.

Bottom line: I enjoyed the second day in St. Petersburg much more than the first. I think the rain at Peterhof Palace on the first day was part of it, but it was probably also a function of so much listening to the tour guide time (who I really liked) on the first day. Definitely expected in this case (and necessary), but not exactly “fun.” By comparison, the second day felt much more relaxed. The Church of the Spilled Blood was also a really nice surprise. I’ve seen so many churches and abbeys in my travels, I didn’t expect to be so impressed. For the first time, I was really glad to be with ABD when our seven stranded passengers came aboard our bus.

St. Petersburg was definitely a big bucket list item, but it isn’t a place I will be rushing back to. I think my days of visiting palaces with tour groups are numbered—especially since I’ve seen the most impressive already. The listening to the tour guide as we went room to room really began to wear on me. I’d expected it for these days, but I didn’t anticipate how much the other “city tours” would impact these days. It was just too much. I just don’t enjoy it or get much out of it other than to be able to say “I’ve been there.”
 
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CaliforniaGirl, I'm sorry that the add-on did not exceed your expectations. But, I am relieved that I am not the only one who was disappointed. I think you hit the nail on the head with the group size. I was thinking about it and our loooong lunches would have been reasonable with 30 ppl (there were 45 on our adventure). They split our group in Sweden and Russia and everything went faster, until we got to lunch and 45 people needed food and bathrooms.

We selected ABD for the "worry free" factor and we did get that, but at an incredible cost.

However, this really was a trip of a lifetime for us and we are glad we did it. Would not do it again with ABD at that price (and am absolutely questioning whether the Danube river cruise is a good idea for the same reasons), but St. Pete's alone made it an experience for me. I totally agree with your assessment of the Church on spilled blood--beautiful!

Looking forward to the rest of your report.
 
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CaliforniaGirl, I'm sorry that the add-on did not exceed your expectations. But, I am relieved that I am not the only one who was disappointed. I think you hit the nail on the head with the group size. I was thinking about it and our loooong lunches would have been reasonable with 30 ppl (there were 45 on our adventure). They split our group in Sweden and Russia and everything went faster, until we got to lunch and 45 people needed food and bathrooms.

We selected ABD for the "worry free" factor and we did get that, but at an incredible cost.

However, this really was a trip of a lifetime for us and we are glad we did it. Would not do it again with ABD at that price (and am absolutely questioning whether the Danube river cruise is a good idea for the same reasons), but St. Pete's alone made it an experience for me. I totally agree with your assessment of the Church on spilled blood--beautiful!

Looking forward to the rest of your report.

Wow, are we on the same wavelength or what LOL. We are signed up for the river cruise as well, and I have been doing the same. The friend who traveled with us did central europe last year--which shares many of the same activities with the river cruise--and she thought it would be more like what we were used to with ABD. But I'm still envisioning nightmares of all 160 people wanting to do the same thing. I agree, the worry free factor was great, but at a *huge* cost. I hope to post the rest soon. Going through all the pics might take a little longer...
 


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