Germanwings Plane Crash - French Alps

Domo · Mar 28, 2015

The idea of having immovable cockpit doors only works as long as the terrorists aren't already on the inside.

I'm a bit nervy of having ground control of aircraft. Don't forget, the hacker group "Anonymous" hacked the International Space Station not so long ago...

CPT Tripss · Mar 28, 2015

TLSnell1981 said:
Have multiple people on the ground with portions of an override code. I think, that I heard the technology is there, but expensive to implement. Could this have saved these passengers? I don't know, but eight minutes is a long time. I can't imagine, what this crew felt. They were completely helpless with a suicidal/soon to be mass murderer, who was ALONE in the cockpit.

He had this planned...bragged about becoming infamous. What an evil piece of waste.

And just what will those people do?

gwynne said:
Yea, I don't think the plan is to watch all the time.

What is the point of real time filming? Real time information in an emergency. It would be very helpful to be able to feed information to scrambled military jets for one. It would also be helpful in looking at all sorts of less serious aircraft incidents. How does the crew react? How does the aircraft react? Guarantee of saving lives? Nope. But helpful.

In something less serious than a crash that kills the flight crew, you have the flight crew to interview for clarification of what is on the recorders.

CPT Tripss · Mar 28, 2015

JanaDee said:
And who's going to watch all the thousands of hours of data from thousands of planes daily? In theory it sounds good, it fails in practice.

Exactly

Domo · Mar 28, 2015

For me, the camera makes sense. They wouldn't need to watch live streams or all the footage, but it might give some insight into what happened on flights such as this one if the last 30 fateful minutes were recorded to a bomb proof box.

SandiR · Mar 28, 2015

I told my DH that he probably got dumped right before it happened, and of course, it's apparently true.

Just curious. Why can't there be a way for there to be a live video and/or audio feed from the plane to the controllers? I'm not saying that this wouldn't have prevented the crash, but at least no one would have to look for black boxes to find out what happened after the fact.

ETA -Sorry! I didn't read through the whole thread and apparently this was already being discussed.

TLSnell1981 · Mar 28, 2015

A live stream could give information to ground control. They could override the door lock. He had 8 minutes..ample time to evaluate the need to intervene.

This guy had issues, much more serious, than depression. The ex-girlfriend broke up with him because she was afraid of his erratic behavior. He told her of his intent to do something so horrific, that everyone would remember him. She had no idea, that he planned to crash a plane and murder 150 people.

Domo · Mar 28, 2015

You wouldn't necessarily need a constant live feed from the cockpit... you could have it on demand if radar lost contact or showed an uncharacteristic descent

fly girl · Mar 28, 2015

TLSnell1981 said:
Have multiple people on the ground with portions of an override code. I think, that I heard the technology is there, but expensive to implement. Could this have saved these passengers? I don't know, but eight minutes is a long time. I can't imagine, what this crew felt. They were completely helpless with a suicidal/soon to be mass murderer, who was ALONE in the cockpit.

John VN said:
GO to.....flightradar24.com See just how many planes are in the sky and you might understand the difficulty in implementing certain ideas people suggest.....such as cockpit video being MONITORED ON GROUND.

JohnVN, you are correct. Not only would pilots reject the idea of having big brother watch 24/7, the idea of this is not feasible. We need to put in context that this was isolated. There are THOUSANDS of great pilots out there.

I understand, none of us want this type of tragedy to happen again. But as Jennasis stated earlier, if someone is motivated they will find a crack.

kandb said:
Almost every US flight has an air marshall on it. They are the ones that should go in the cockpit when a pilot has to leave, not a 100 lb. female stewardess that can be overtaken by a male pilot/co-pilot.

Air Marshalls are to be incognito. Can't happen when you see them entering into the cockpit. And as my previous post stated, cockpits are small. Pilots have to maneuver to get in and out of their seat. Time enough for the flight attendant to scream or attempt to exit. And as PP said, the pilot is sitting and the flight attendant is standing. They have the advantage of having the pilot facing the opposite way to him/her.

kandb said:
Almost every flight I have taken to/from Floriday (2 1/2 hours) the pilot/co-pilot are always coming out to use the bathroom. Also, on more then one occasion, the pilot stays out and talks with the stewardess(es). One time it was for so long, I almost reported it.

What makes you the authority to report him? Maybe he has had a 12 hour duty day with no breaks and he wants to stretch his legs and get his circulation moving. Sitting in that little egg is confining. During cruise there really isn't much going on. The other pilot can handle the work load at cruise. If he was needed, the pilot in the cockpit could call the back and tell him to come up.

TLSnell1981 · Mar 29, 2015

Why would pilots object to cameras? Many businesses use surveillance cameras.

Dawnlight · Mar 29, 2015

The very sad reality is that no matter what any airline does, it will never be enough. There will always be unstable people that will find their way to cause harm to others. There is no way to prevent every potential situation that a disturbed mind might conjure up.

gwynne · Mar 29, 2015

CPT Tripss said:
And just what will those people do?

In something less serious than a crash that kills the flight crew, you have the flight crew to interview for clarification of what is on the recorders.

Which is nice, but the cameras would provide additional very important information. There is such a thing as "pilot error".

fly girl said:
JohnVN, you are correct. Not only would pilots reject the idea of having big brother watch 24/7, the idea of this is not feasible. We need to put in context that this was isolated. There are THOUSANDS of great pilots out there.

I understand, none of us want this type of tragedy to happen again. But as Jennasis stated earlier, if someone is motivated they will find a crack.

The world has changed. Lots of folks deal with cameras in the workplace. The pilot's union will have a hard time fighting this, I think. Probably the compromise will be camera on the door and/or the instruments (not their faces.) In the end, pilots don't own the airlines, and they aren't the insurers taking huge losses. It will boil down to money. We'll see how this issue evolves in the coming months.

And just to add, the technology exists, currently. Airlines would handle video the same way they handle audio tapes now. They'd access them as needed. They don't listen to every tape from every flight, and they wouldn't watch every single video, either.

kandb · Mar 29, 2015

Fly Girl,

I understand they need to use the bathroom but it is my business when he should be in the cockpit, not a stewardess. If he needs to stretch his legs
let him do it between his flights. It's only a 2 1/2 hour flight, your not talking about a 10 hour flight, give me a break.

kandb · Mar 29, 2015

What is the reason the air marshall has to be incognito?

Tozzie · Mar 29, 2015

kandb said:
Almost every flight I have taken to/from Floriday (2 1/2 hours) the pilot/co-pilot are always coming out to use the bathroom. Also, on more then one occasion, the pilot stays out and talks with the stewardess(es). One time it was for so long, I almost reported it.

Reported it, why? Exactly why do you think it is a problem for the pilot to talk to people? Sad

Tozzie · Mar 29, 2015

kandb said:
Fly Girl,

I understand they need to use the bathroom but it is my business when he should be in the cockpit, not a stewardess. If he needs to stretch his legs
let him do it between his flights. It's only a 2 1/2 hour flight, your not talking about a 10 hour flight, give me a break.

I am not fly girl but why exactly does he have to be in the cockpit? You obviously have not clue how planes fly and where people "need to be"

bdcp · Mar 29, 2015

kandb said:
What is the reason the air marshall has to be incognito?

So, they are not targeted first and taken out. You don't want the bad guy(s) knowing who the air marshall is because it gives him/her the advantage if something does happen.

We have two friends who are pilots on United. They have taken huge paycuts and cuts to their 401K's and retirement plans over the years just to keep their jobs. Also, it's too Big Brother for my taste and many people I know would feel the same way. It's a terrible mass murder that occurred, but you can't stop everything and every choice people make.

Callie · Mar 29, 2015

Often times, Pilots don't even have time to stretch their legs between flights. The flight lands, and it takes off less than an hour later. They have to do pre and post flight checks that involve sitting in the cockpit. Also walk the plane as well.

kandb · Mar 29, 2015

I may not know how to fly a plane but I know it's smarter to have the pilot/co-pilot in the cockpit then a stewardess.

Missy1961 · Mar 29, 2015

kandb said:
I may not know how to fly a plane but I know it's smarter to have the pilot/co-pilot in the cockpit then a stewardess.

I'm sure many flight attendants (the term "stewardess" is a bit outdated) could handle most situations that could come up. And it's not like the pilot is miles away, he/she could be back in the cockpit in seconds, in most situations.

Planogirl · Mar 29, 2015

This is about one guy who went off the deep end and killed a lot of innocent people. Having cameras in the cockpit and not allowing pilots to talk to flight attendants won't prevent that type of event. What can be done to prevent something like this?

Back in the day, there would be a pilot, co-pilot and navigator in the cockpit. Of course they are too small now but it would be nice if there was a team of three.

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