The walking dead amc #2

[Dis_Fan]

He said it on the Talking Dead on Sunday night.

Ok. I am honestly not sure the point you are making? Yes he did say it (although I did not watch it). It does not dispel any of my opinions on the positives and negatives of the episode. Or the fact that I think this change status quo to "broken Rick" could very well be a flash in the pan action that will not amount to anything in the long term.

If Rick follows the comic, then I think focusing a whole hour plus on "breaking Rick" will be looked back on as some strong emotional moments surrounded by a bunch of filler and time wasting that could of been used on much more important things such as the aftermath of the ordeal.

 

[anniemae]

I think it was both - Rick was broken in that moment because their group will never be the same. And the realization that this group now has them hostage, essentially. Seemed like nothing he could do to help the group at the time, which he's not used to. So while I think we did see him broken in the premiere, I think we'll see him quickly regroup and devise a plan, getting back to his old self and following the comics while doing so. JMO.

This is what I think will happen. Yes, he has been backed into a corner by Negan and is compliant.....for now. I think he will eventually come out swinging.

 

[declansdad]

Ok. I am honestly not sure the point you are making? Yes he did say it (although I did not watch it). It does not dispel any of my opinions on the positives and negatives of the episode. Or the fact that I think this change status quo to "broken Rick" could very well be a flash in the pan action that will not amount to anything in the long term.

If Rick follows the comic, then I think focusing a whole hour plus on "breaking Rick" will be looked back on as some strong emotional moments surrounded by a bunch of filler and time wasting that could of been used on much more important things such as the aftermath of the ordeal.

The only point I was making is that you seemed , at least the way I was reading your posts, to be dismissing what the creator of the series said. Nothing wrong with your opinion, everyone has one.

 

[Dis_Fan]

The only point I was making is that you seemed , at least the way I was reading your posts, to be dismissing what the creator of the series said. Nothing wrong with your opinion, everyone has one.

I am not dismissing it. But knowing the series I am not going to put as much weight in the statement as some might. We will see in the weeks how things turn out. Maybe my thought is premature. Maybe its not.

 

[DisneyLover1217]

I think we have to see the comics and the show as 2 different things. As people have pointed out there are some things that are very different between the two. I think they are using the comics as a guideline, but are putting their own spin on certain things and following the comics on other things.

As far as Rick being broken, I don't think he is. He just had to give in, pretty much had no choice. I think broken would mean him just completely giving up and being a faithful servant of Negan's and I don't see that happening. I have no doubt Rick will be planning Negan's demise every minute of every day, while acting like he is following Negan.

 

[Jennasis]

I think Rick was "broken" by Negan, but not the way most might think. I think old Rick was broken...the way he was...maybe even the last shred of original Rick. I think what he will be now is like a feral animal backed into a corner and he's going to bide his time and come out in a brutal and ferocious way. Maybe even all of them will. Whatever remained of Rick from season 1 probably died with Glen and Abe.

 

[WDWBarb]

I'm a bit late here but I'm one who was very disturbed by this episode. Sure, we had a good idea of who we were going to lose and I was ready for that. I was very familiar with the scene from the graphic novel and knew how it would happen. But never did I ever imagine that they would depict it so clearly and violently. I thought there would be some allusion to what happened. Not close ups.

And the emotional torture was also not expected. I mean, this wasn't a two-hour movie. This series has been on for 6 years and we've developed long term relationships with this characters. I didn't think it was OK to do this the way they did it.

That being said, did anyone else notice that it was fall (leaves had mostly fallen) when Rick and the crew in the RV were trying to get to The Hilltop and were ultimately captured, yet the trees were lush and green in the final scene (where Negan leaves them)? Sure, it's a continuity thing, but I have to wonder if there will be a time jump to explain the sudden change in seasons?

 

[Monykalyn]

Good episode-definitely lived up to premiere status. I don't get the complaining over the violence either-this far into the apocalypse with all that has happened did anyone really think there was a rainbow utopia out there?? Sophia shot in head, rick biting neck to kill that dude, cold blooded killing of Pete (ordered in anger by Deanna), terminus -the absolute lack of human empathy on part of termanites bothered me more than Negan violence, maybe because I can almost see how Negan became that way following Rick and companies journey. And with a "moral center" gone in Glenn...Negan has the people in his "inner circle" who like the violence, while his "worker centers" who supply him are the people who don't or won't resort to violence to overthrow Negan, so they live in a dictatorship.

If the show has you complaining and discussing then it has done the job (whether agree with it or not LOL)

... JDM can go back to Grey's, he fits there...

I heartily disliked that whole entire story line on Greys-that intern would be in JAIL and never allowed to practice medicine again. But I can't watch most medical dramas without complaining about complete lack of reality. Plus JDM is John Winchester

 

[macraven]

Good episode-definitely lived up to premiere status. I don't get the complaining over the violence either-this far into the apocalypse with all that has happened did anyone really think there was a rainbow utopia out there?? Sophia shot in head, rick biting neck to kill that dude, cold blooded killing of Pete (ordered in anger by Deanna), terminus -the absolute lack of human empathy on part of termanites bothered me more than Negan violence, maybe because I can almost see how Negan became that way following Rick and companies journey. And with a "moral center" gone in Glenn...Negan has the people in his "inner circle" who like the violence, while his "worker centers" who supply him are the people who don't or won't resort to violence to overthrow Negan, so they live in a dictatorship.

If the show has you complaining and discussing then it has done the job (whether agree with it or not LOL)

I liked what you said

My like button did not show up or I would have hit it

 

[Sanchez]

I am not an expert so help me out. Negan lets the group go back to Alexandria where he will visit in a week with the expectation of an offering. Did he indicate what he expects as an offering?

Was some indication given that Negan knows where Alexandria is located?

If so, is he not aware that Alexandria is surrounded by walls and within is a substantial number of weapons and ammunition?

 

[Annadesu]

I am not an expert so help me out. Negan lets the group go back to Alexandria where he will visit in a week with the expectation of an offering. Did he indicate what he expects as an offering?

Was some indication given that Negan knows where Alexandria is located?

If so, is he not aware that Alexandria is surrounded by walls and within is a substantial number of weapons and ammunition?

He wants half of "everything", basically.

Yes, they all know where it is.

He is aware of the walls, and the guns, etc. But he has a lot more people, and firepower, overall. So if they attempt to go against him, it likely won't end well.

That's why all these other survivor towns (like "The Kingdom") are going to be important, later. They have to work together to defeat him, and such.

 

[mummabear]

I am not an expert so help me out. Negan lets the group go back to Alexandria where he will visit in a week with the expectation of an offering. Did he indicate what he expects as an offering?

Was some indication given that Negan knows where Alexandria is located?

If so, is he not aware that Alexandria is surrounded by walls and within is a substantial number of weapons and ammunition?

He wants half of "everything", basically.

Yes, they all know where it is.

He is aware of the walls, and the guns, etc. But he has a lot more people, and firepower, overall. So if they attempt to go against him, it likely won't end well.

That's why all these other survivor towns (like "The Kingdom") are going to be important, later. They have to work together to defeat him, and such.

DH and I spoke about this. I know Neagen has Darryl but we both felt it likely that in their shoes we would spend that week getting as far from Neagen as we could.

 

[Marchand63]

DH and I spoke about this. I know Neagen has Darryl but we both felt it likely that in their shoes we would spend that week getting as far from Neagen as we could.

I don't think there is anywhere to run. You have to remember Negan has not just his base but multiple outposts. He has been monitoring Alexandria for awhile. You also have to know Negan has a few ways to punish people besides Lucille. Just look at Dwight, when he took Daryll"s bike he had no scars on his face.

Alexandria, Hilltop & The Kingdom will have to band together.

 

[lovin'fl]

Reading the 3rd compendium...3/4ths the way through. Not a fan of comic reading. But anyway, I think Kirkman means that the INTENT was to break Rick. Going to go finish reading it.

 

[Boopuff]

I also think that the group really doesn't have anywhere to run. I'm sure Neegan has minions posted on all roads going anywhere. He's so sadistic that his group would just kill off anyone trying to "escape". Although I do wonder why Alexandria got past his "intervention" sooner. Or was he waiting to have a reason to violently go after them.

 

[phorsenuf]

We were discussing TWD at my sons over the weekend and we were trying to figure out the timeline. Does anyone know how many years it has been since Rick woke up in the hospital and where they are now? It's hard to judge too by Judiths age because she looks different all the time. ;-) How old is she at this point, and how old do you figure Carl is? I'm referring to the show ages and not how it is in the comic books.

 

[nkereina]

I have to wonder if there will be a time jump to explain the sudden change in seasons?

Good observation about the foliage, but I doubt that will be addressed in the show. I would assume it's just due to when they filmed, and not for any reason relative to the show.

We were discussing TWD at my sons over the weekend and we were trying to figure out the timeline. Does anyone know how many years it has been since Rick woke up in the hospital and where they are now? It's hard to judge too by Judiths age because she looks different all the time. ;-) How old is she at this point, and how old do you figure Carl is? I'm referring to the show ages and not how it is in the comic books.

From what I have read, it's been 2 years since the start of the outbreak to present day on TWD, and Carl should be about 13.

 

[nemofans]

Yes, I also know him as John Winchester from Supernatural. I do not watch the other shows he was in.

Yes, it was a bit gruesome, but if they did it any other way, there would be major backlash too. Seeing Glenn's face was horrible, but that's the image directly from the comics.

 

[declansdad]

 

[Coconuts]

I'm a bit late here but I'm one who was very disturbed by this episode. Sure, we had a good idea of who we were going to lose and I was ready for that. I was very familiar with the scene from the graphic novel and knew how it would happen. But never did I ever imagine that they would depict it so clearly and violently. I thought there would be some allusion to what happened. Not close ups.

And the emotional torture was also not expected. I mean, this wasn't a two-hour movie. This series has been on for 6 years and we've developed long term relationships with this characters. I didn't think it was OK to do this the way they did it....

I'm a long time Diser but just found this thread. I am a huge TWD fan but the above sentiment is exactly how I feel about the premiere. I was completely prepared that someone was going to get Lucilled, as I learned from reading about the comics, and was prepared for any of the cast to go, even my beloved Rick or Daryl. What I wasn't prepared for was the over the top, unnecessary, gratuitous violence. I know TWD has always been a violent show but this was way beyond any acceptable level. Zombies, a knowingly unreal entity, having grosser than gross deaths that you know are mostly CGI is one thing, but watching a human bludgeoning was beyond disturbing. I have been sick to my stomach about it and can't get those images out of my head. DH, who is not squeamish at all, even agreed with me that we may be done with the show, and he has LOVED TWD since episode 1. Just listening to the deaths at the end of last season was awful enough. After the first hits and we saw who the victims are, they should have not shown the full extent of the killings. I feel that the producers and writers took the cheap way out and basically insulted the viewers by thinking we have no imagination at all and had to have everything shown to us. Torture porn is all that was, plain and simple. Very distressing to me because I absolutely loved this show and so looked forward to the premiere.