San Angel review?

hookedonears

Louisianan
Joined
Jul 22, 2008
Unfortunately, it was just as I expected. As a Mexican food connoisseur, first impressions are very important to me, meaning if the chips and hot sauce (or chips and salsa which ever) aren't good, my impression of a restaurant gets a significant down grade. In the review, I didn't hear if the chips and hot sauce had improved. They use to be chips from a bag and (mild) hot sauce from a jar. Anyone have an opinion about same?
 
Their description of the con queso stuff as rubber tires sounded appealing
 
The food has been just "meh" for me in the past. However I do love the little Marketplace vibe. I have nightmares about the time my DH and BIL ( both 3xl and 4xl guys) sitting in the front of the boat shoulder to shoulder with me and SIL behind them. There was a split second when the boat dipped down into the water and a small tsunami occurred over the bow. They both instinctively leaned back in their seats to right it and hysterical laughter from me and the SIL insued. That was one of the funniest things ever to see that wave crest....when DH and I have been on it since we DO NOT SIT UP FRONT. :teeth::o
 
I will say that the queso fundido they showed most definitely could have been handled better/more traditionally. I know the texture wasn't appealing and having not tried San Angel's, I can't speak on that. However, that dish is often labeled as "queso flameado" or "choriqueso" when served at a lot of the Houston area Mexican places we frequent. Chorizo, which is typically in the dish, is extremely oily, so that looked normal. The places here all do table-side service with this, which makes it more of a special thing. It is NEVER served with chips (since this isn't a liquid cheese kind of queso) and your server always stands there with a stack of freshly made tortillas, spooning the cheese mixture into the tortillas so that you wind up with a stack of handmade mini cheesy burritos. The tortillas soak up a lot of the oil (and flavor) from the chorizo and the cheese. The cheese should be a melting Mexican cheese like Oaxaca or Chihuahua...similar consistency to mozzarella, but a bit more tang.

All this being said, it's been eons since I have eaten at San Angel and even though we were living in NJ the last time we dined there, we knew it was bad enough to keep us from ever returning.
 


None of the pictures at this restaurant looked appetizing. I have no interest in going there. Especially since you can get affordable delicious mexican food at many places.
 


I will say that the queso fundido they showed most definitely could have been handled better/more traditionally. I know the texture wasn't appealing and having not tried San Angel's, I can't speak on that. However, that dish is often labeled as "queso flameado" or "choriqueso" when served at a lot of the Houston area Mexican places we frequent. Chorizo, which is typically in the dish, is extremely oily, so that looked normal. The places here all do table-side service with this, which makes it more of a special thing. It is NEVER served with chips (since this isn't a liquid cheese kind of queso) and your server always stands there with a stack of freshly made tortillas, spooning the cheese mixture into the tortillas so that you wind up with a stack of handmade mini cheesy burritos. The tortillas soak up a lot of the oil (and flavor) from the chorizo and the cheese. The cheese should be a melting Mexican cheese like Oaxaca or Chihuahua...similar consistency to mozzarella, but a bit more tang.

All this being said, it's been eons since I have eaten at San Angel and even though we were living in NJ the last time we dined there, we knew it was bad enough to keep us from ever returning.

EXACTLY!!!

As a Texan, Tex-Mex is one of the four major food groups. I clearly need to take John and Kevin out for good Tex-Mex and give them a full lesson on how it's done right. And how to pronounce it!!!
 
Looks like San Angel really needs to step up its game. Sad because I thought it had done just that over the past few yrs. I've enjoyed my food there 3x in the past 3 or 4 years. But now realize that I had always ordered the safer, reliable options: usually either the carne asada (strip steak) at dinner or tacos de carne at lunch. Last fall, I had the Chef's Special (at that time it was steak and some different assorted tacos) and it was great. Looks like that's been recently changed up to ribs and shrimp. I've also heard good things about the pollo a las rajas entree (chicken) and the tostados de tinga appie. Always enjoyed the cheesecake for dessert and one of La Cava's avocado margaritas. San Angel boosters usually emphasize that this is Mexican-inspired food and not Tex-Mex to explain why some guests have trouble with the food. However, that can't be used as an excuse for just plain bad food & tiny, incredibly expensive portions. It has an incredible atmosphere and the entire menu should also be outstanding. I've never had great service here but chalked that up to solo dining. Sounds like San Angel has defaulted to a Coral Reef type of dining experience. As in there are one or two reliable entrees and a dessert but don't stray from the safe path or your meal will crash and burn. Epcot can do much better than that.
 
The Molè Pablano is good and the portions are enough for me. The Fish Tacos tasted good, too.

WDW Disclaimer: NEVER ORDER "STEAK"
 
The "sweaty feet" taste and smell analogy was quite funny and I finally figured out why. I think the restaurant used a heavy hand with cumin. I'm not a big fan of it because I always think it smells like.....B.O. :crazy2:

I heard Rick Bayless is opening a restaurant this summer in Disney Springs. He really should pay a visit to San Angel and share some of his expertise!
 
I enjoyed the review as always but I do not necessarily agree with the Podcast team on this one.. I was surprised at how bad of a review they gave it, but then again, the dishes they ordered where different from what I ordered when I dined there so perhaps it really comes down to the dish selection.. Everything I ordered I enjoyed, I had the Sopa Azteca (which is served tableside!), the Enchiladas Verdes con Pollo, and the Crema Bavaria for dessert which I think is the only same item they had.. Perhaps I may have missed something but I also do not recall them mentioning anything about the Margaritas which is a specialty at San Angel Inn, they are prepared from scratch next door at La Cava de Tequila and it was one of the better margaritas I have had in recent years, ten times better than the ones at the kiosk outside..
 
First off, I agree with the team's overall reaction to San Angel. This has been on the bottom of my list for years despite several re-visits in hopes that things have improved. No such luck. There is a reason why they make you eat in the dark. The food here is as visually unappealing as it is clumsily prepared. That out of the way, there are a couple of criticisms in the review thar deserve retraction. During the review, the team made a joke of the fact that Craig's first course was "indigenous to Mexico", referring to his Caesar Salad and everyone laughed. However, Caesar Salad is indeed indigenous to Mexico having been first created and served by Caesar Cardini in Tijuana. Now, granted, Mr. Cardini was Italian. But his restaurant was in Mexico. So both cultures played a role, but the dish itself was unknown to Italy until having been brought over from Mexico.

The second point of correction pertains to Craig's comment that he had never seen peas in Spanish rice. However, peas are common in Paella. (See below). That said, this is supposed to be an authentic restaurant with its origins in Mexico City, so the debate over the proper preparation of Spanish rice and/or paella should be moot.

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First off, I agree with the team's overall reaction to San Angel. This has been on the bottom of my list for years despite several re-visits in hopes that things have improved. No such luck. There is a reason why they make you eat in the dark. The food here is as visually unappealing as it is clumsily prepared. That out of the way, there are a couple of criticisms in the review thar deserve retraction. During the review, the team made a joke of the fact that Craig's first course was "indigenous to Mexico", referring to his Caesar Salad and everyone laughed. However, Caesar Salad is indeed indigenous to Mexico having been first created and served by Caesar Cardini in Tijuana. Now, granted, Mr. Cardini was Italian. But his restaurant was in Mexico. So both cultures played a role, but the dish itself was unknown to Italy until having been brought over from Mexico.

The second point of correction pertains to Craig's comment that he had never seen peas in Spanish rice. However, peas are common in Paella. (See below). That said, this is supposed to be an authentic restaurant with its origins in Mexico City, so the debate over the proper preparation of Spanish rice and/or paella should be moot.

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As you have pointed out...the bit about Caesar salad was a joke. I don't see a need for a retraction when what we said was technically correct.

I also see no reason to retract the fact that Craig stated that he has never seen peas in Spanish rice (he was not served paella). He did not state that there are NEVER pleas in Spanish rice. He said he had never seen it.
 
As you have pointed out...the bit about Caesar salad was a joke. I don't see a need for a retraction when what we said was technically correct.
But the "joke" played off of the word "indigenous" and the inflection used when saying the word which brought about the laughter. The clear implication of this is that the dish was out of place on the menu. That is certainly the way it played out among the group. At no point in the review was the joke diffused with a statement that the dish actually originated in Mexico. Viewers can make up their own minds as to how this all unfolded. But to me, the point being made was that a Caesar Salad was an odd choice to find on a Mexican menu.
 
But the "joke" played off of the word "indigenous" and the inflection used when saying the word which brought about the laughter. The clear implication of this is that the dish was out of place on the menu. That is certainly the way it played out among the group. At no point in the review was the joke diffused with a statement that the dish actually originated in Mexico. Viewers can make up their own minds as to how this all unfolded. But to me, the point being made was that a Caesar Salad was an odd choice to find on a Mexican menu.

i think a Caesar salad is an odd thing to see on a Mexican menu regardless of it's place of birth.
 
First off, I agree with the team's overall reaction to San Angel. This has been on the bottom of my list for years despite several re-visits in hopes that things have improved. No such luck. There is a reason why they make you eat in the dark. The food here is as visually unappealing as it is clumsily prepared. That out of the way, there are a couple of criticisms in the review thar deserve retraction. During the review, the team made a joke of the fact that Craig's first course was "indigenous to Mexico", referring to his Caesar Salad and everyone laughed. However, Caesar Salad is indeed indigenous to Mexico having been first created and served by Caesar Cardini in Tijuana. Now, granted, Mr. Cardini was Italian. But his restaurant was in Mexico. So both cultures played a role, but the dish itself was unknown to Italy until having been brought over from Mexico.

The second point of correction pertains to Craig's comment that he had never seen peas in Spanish rice. However, peas are common in Paella. (See below). That said, this is supposed to be an authentic restaurant with its origins in Mexico City, so the debate over the proper preparation of Spanish rice and/or paella should be moot.

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I'm not going to argue who's wrong and who's right, but here is my take.

Caesar Cardini, an Italian, invented the Caesar Salad in Tijuana, while living in San Diego, but owning restaurants in Mexico to get around Prohibition. From what I have ever found, his restaurant served Italian food and for that reason I would call it an Italian dish despite where it was born. If I'm wrong then I guess that means I have a friend who just became Japanese since that's where he was created by two Americans.

Next, I am not a food expert by any means, but from the amount of Food Network I've watched in my life, Spanish Rice and Mexican Rice are used interchangeably and neither ever contain peas, carrots if authentic, but never peas. Furthermore, Paella is a Spanish dish that contains white rice among a lot of other ingredients. It's not a Spanish Rice dish and I believe my statement still stands true. Peas in Spanish/Mexican Rice is weird.
 
Next, I am not a food expert by any means, but from the amount of Food Network I've watched in my life, Spanish Rice and Mexican Rice are used interchangeably and neither ever contain peas, carrots if authentic, but never peas. Furthermore, Paella is a Spanish dish that contains white rice among a lot of other ingredients. It's not a Spanish Rice dish and I believe my statement still stands true. Peas in Spanish/Mexican Rice is weird.
This is simply wrong. First, I'm not sure what point you are making with respect to the reference to white rice in paella. All Spanish rice, (paella or not) and Mexican rice starts with white rice. As for the inclusion of peas, two minutes of culinary research would reveal that the ingredient is authentic. Universal? No. Common? Absolutely. Calling the ingredient "weird" borders on insulting to all Mexican cooks who use it, and demonstrates an uncommon laziness in the preparation of the review.

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/221930/mamacitas-mexican-rice/

http://www.food.com/recipe/spanish-rice-67997

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/...proof-mexican-rice-arroz-mexicano-recipe.html

I consider Marcela's work quite authoritative. I'll rely on her inclusion over the adjective "weird".

But for more, read on, and scroll down to "pilaf":

http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/articles/detail/mexican-rice

And can anyone challenge the bona fides of Rick Bayless?

http://www.rickbayless.com/recipe/mexican-red-rice/

On the Caesar Salad, it's inclusion on the menu is obviously a wink and a nod to the fact that the dish originated in Mexico. A quick reference to that bit of trivia would have served the review better than a joke that alluded to its inappropriateness or oddness.
 
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