FP+ line enforcement irregularity?

[LaidBackDad]

Yes, there are many reason the FP+ may flash blue. Every experience I have seen, a CM will help correct the issue (or due a manual override). As I stated, that didn't happen in this case. It's ironic that some posters are adamant that appearance shouldn't matter; but they immediately assume what a posters ethnicity may be just by reading a post. I observed what appeared to be preferential treatment, not discrimination. Some people need to relax and be more open minded.

 

[LiveYourLife]

OP, as you can see this thread is going over like a fart in Church.

I agree with others: the way these guests looked have nothing to do with the story, or the situation, and it is rather offensive. You may want to edit your original post.

 

[BarbieGal457]

I guess the thing a lot of us are trying to say is you are assuming it's preferential treatment, you don't actually know it was. There have been so many reasons here on why they could've been waved on due to any number of things, none of which involve how they look or dress. I try to never assume anything because in the end I feel it is almost always the wrong way to go about things.

 

[SirDuff]

If you use a DAS, it will show up blue but you are waved through. Given that the OP managed to witness this happening more than once, them having a DAS is a definite possibility.

 

[meowser]

Yes, there are many reason the FP+ may flash blue. Every experience I have seen, a CM will help correct the issue (or due a manual override). As I stated, that didn't happen in this case. It's ironic that some posters are adamant that appearance shouldn't matter; but they immediately assume what a posters ethnicity may be just by reading a post. I observed what appeared to be preferential treatment, not discrimination. Some people need to relax and be more open minded.

No. You actually observed something you didn't understand and jumped to preferential treatment. You asked about preferential treatment instead of asking for clarification of the thing you didn't understand.

 

[HopperFan]

Yes, there are many reason the FP+ may flash blue. Every experience I have seen, a CM will help correct the issue (or due a manual override). As I stated, that didn't happen in this case. It's ironic that some posters are adamant that appearance shouldn't matter; but they immediately assume what a posters ethnicity may be just by reading a post. I observed what appeared to be preferential treatment, not discrimination. Some people need to relax and be more open minded.

How do you know they didn't immediately override it? It sounds like there was no issue to address or correct, just one slight click. When my DS turns blue, very often they glance at the screen and in a split second it's done. Lots of reasons that they may have something in the system.

Again, you have no idea what the screen noted to them but whatever it was, the CM overrode the system. Preferential, maybe to you, but Disney has the right to override for whatever reason they have decided is appropriate.

 

[BarbieGal457]

How do you know they didn't immediately override it? It sounds like there was no issue to address or correct, just one slight click. When my DS turns blue, very often they glance at the screen and in a split second it's done. Lots of reasons that they may have something in the system.

Again, you have no idea what the screen noted to them but whatever it was, the CM overrode the system. Preferential, maybe to you, but Disney has the right to override for whatever reason they have decided is appropriate.

Yup this has happened to me and my boyfriend a few times. There was no rhyme or reason why our Mickey heads were blue (or if there was no one could figure it out seemingly), either at the gate or for our FPs within the return time, and the CMs put us through immediately in seconds. Our bands worked fine 97% of the time, but it did happen to us a few times and was overridden right away. There's just no way to assume anything one way or the other on why they were let through.

 

[HopperFan]

I don't think FP+ is any different than FP in this regard. Usually they are very strict about the time window, but I have witnessed times when people were early/late (And I know because I heard them) and they were waived through. It's not the end of the world, but I feel like a schmuck when I go out of way to make it one time, and others are waived through if they're "close enough."

But what bothers me even more is the technique of "My MB hasn't been working all day" and they get waived through. Guess what? Direct them to guest services then to get that addressed. I witnessed several people using that trick, and it's aggravating.

- There are a few minutes before and after that the system, CM can waiver you through for being early or late. Problem for guest is to never depend on that because what if you get there and the line is long and you miss not only your window but the forgiveness window. Maybe they were only a few minutes late. And as usual it is up to the CM.

- MB not working - meaning not working and no FP+ time on screen either, CM should never waive you through and should always send you to GR. Now you may turn blue, but the screen shows the CM you have a FP+ - they should override it. That is just one of MANY trick that Guests try to pull and if a CM is doing their job well they don't fall for any of them. If they don't like confrontation they can send the Guest to a supervisor and let them deal with it. (I know as DD was a CM, who was often put at the FP+ return line because she dealt with these issues well.)

 

[WIcruizer]

I observed what appeared to be preferential treatment, not discrimination. Some people need to relax and be more open minded.

Right. You're saying two "large urban black males" were given preferential treatment correct? I don't want to put words in your mouth. And...you don't find that offensive?

 

[gzmtlock]

It's ironic that some posters are adamant that appearance shouldn't matter; but they immediately assume what a posters ethnicity may be just by reading a post.

Maybe I missed it - where did anyone assume your ethnicity? Or did you mean something else?

 

[deidre74]

Yes, there are many reason the FP+ may flash blue. Every experience I have seen, a CM will help correct the issue (or due a manual override). As I stated, that didn't happen in this case. It's ironic that some posters are adamant that appearance shouldn't matter; but they immediately assume what a posters ethnicity may be just by reading a post. I observed what appeared to be preferential treatment, not discrimination. Some people need to relax and be more open minded.

How do you know it didn't happen that the system was overridden...it seems like you were too busy getting a detailed description of two men who you think were given preferential treatment. Sounds like if that is the case then you are feeling discriminated against regardless of what your ethnicity is. Ethnicity has nothing to do with your original quote as no matter then color of your skin the way you presented your comment comes off as offensive.

 

[bumbershoot]

You just as easily could have said we were behind two people and XXX happened.

But that's not what the poster's experience was. He was giving the whole story. To leave OUT race and description is another form of 'ism".

(heh, heh, made an assumption without reading the OP's name...since so many of us here are female, I wrote "she")

DAS cards light the fast pass mickey head blue.

THAT is likely the answer, OP.

your post implied that the CMs were scared of the big black guys. How is that not offensive?

How is it offensive for the OP to tell a story and wonder what happened? If offense was caused, it would be on the part of the CM who might have been scared. And even that isn't offensive; we are allowed to have feelings, after all. What would be offensive would be to NOT allow access and have them kicked out for their appearance.

Why does their physical description have anything to do with them being sent through.

I think that's part of the question the OP is asking? I think he's telling the whole story and wondering what went on, or what might have gone on.

Appearance has nothing to do with whether or not they were let through.

How, exactly, do you KNOW that? What if it was?

Are you assuming because they look as you describe that the CMs were waiving them through because they were scared of them or intimidated?

I think the OP is ASKING. That's not assuming. That's asking. Wondering. Trying to figure it out. Assuming means the OP decided it, fixed it in his head, and never asked the question.

d that scanner comes with a whole lot of power - fear the blue!

But not in the case of the men in question, it seems.

Would you have asked this question if they were 2 big tattoo'd white men?

Why would you assume the OP would not?

It's ironic that some posters are adamant that appearance shouldn't matter; but they immediately assume what a posters ethnicity may be just by reading a post.

Heh heh, interesting.

you are assuming it's preferential treatment, you don't actually know it was.

Pretty sure that's why the OP posted...to get other answers of what might have happened. That answer, a really good one, might very well have been given VERY early on.

Maybe I missed it - where did anyone assume your ethnicity? Or did you mean something else?

Well, if we assume that laidbackdad is also a black man, is the description of the men offensive now? No, not so much. So we're assuming LBD is NOT black. Right? Right. We're assuming (and acting on those assumptions in the way people are responding to LBD) the race/ethnicity of LBD.

 

[PantherPete]

We were at Epcot with my best friend and her daughter a couple weeks ago. They had 1-day passes which I had added to our account and copied all of our FP+ to. The daughter REALLY wanted a Magic Band so we gave her one of my husband's old ones. We told her she still had to use her card to get on the rides, but she was so excited about having the band on and getting to scan it that she never remembered to do that. Every time, either she or my husband got a blue Mickey at the FP scanners. We had her card handy in case the CMs ever cared, but they never did.

I know it's not the same situation, but my point is that CMs probably know what they're doing and choose their battles based on the day, the situation, their moods...whatever. I think mentioning the guests' race in the original post was unnecessary and doesn't come across well.

Is your best friend's daughter a large athletic looking minority? If so, the OP'er may just have stumbled onto something here. He may have exposed a massive Disney conspiracy.

(I'm joking of course, I'm as offended as the rest of you regarding his post - but the best way to address this type of thing is to make them look foolish as opposed to just telling them they are wrong).

 

[DrivenByDisney]

We witnessed something in the FP queue recently that had me puzzled as well. Though it had nothing to do with flashing colours, etc. When we returned during our window we went through the first FP scanner as normal. When we got to the point of the second FP scanner, there was a CM there though the FP scanner was covered and we did not have to scan our bands for our FP. We encountered this at Space Mountain and Splash Mountain last week.

This had me think, how would the CM know if someone just jumped over to the FP queue after passing along longer in the stand by line? Several people I overheard were wondering the same thing as they stood in the stand by line and saw people in the FP line just going through without having to "prove" they indeed had a FP for that attraction.

 

[wilkeliza]

We witnessed something in the FP queue recently that had me puzzled as well. Though it had nothing to do with flashing colours, etc. When we returned during our window we went through the first FP scanner as normal. When we got to the point of the second FP scanner, there was a CM there though the FP scanner was covered and we did not have to scan our bands for our FP. We encountered this at Space Mountain and Splash Mountain last week.

This had me think, how would the CM know if someone just jumped over to the FP queue after passing along longer in the stand by line? Several people I overheard were wondering the same thing as they stood in the stand by line and saw people in the FP line just going through without having to "prove" they indeed had a FP for that attraction.

They cover them if the terminal is broken. At that point they are relying on people to be honest and not lie.

 

[bc7ate9]

Is your best friend's daughter a large athletic looking minority? If so, the OP'er may just have stumbled onto something here. He may have exposed a massive Disney conspiracy.

(I'm joking of course, I'm as offended as the rest of you regarding his post - but the best way to address this type of thing is to make them look foolish as opposed to just telling them they are wrong).

She's about the opposite of that description. These 2 were using the same Magic Band so were getting blue Mickeys all day.

 

[deidre74]

Why would you assume the OP would not?

I wasn't assuming, I was asking, hence the question mark.

 

[asta]

I don't think FP+ is any different than FP in this regard. Usually they are very strict about the time window, but I have witnessed times when people were early/late (And I know because I heard them) and they were waived through. It's not the end of the world, but I feel like a schmuck when I go out of way to make it one time, and others are waived through if they're "close enough."

But what bothers me even more is the technique of "My MB hasn't been working all day" and they get waived through. Guess what? Direct them to guest services then to get that addressed. I witnessed several people using that trick, and it's aggravating.

This reminds me of our trip this summer. First night there our bands did not scan as hotel guests for EMH for every ride we went on. In every case the CM's just flagged us on through. I don't think blue lights were involved because I think the CMs were using a hand held thing. We weren't scamming but were surprised that the CMs just took our word. That night's EMH were so incredibly packed that I decided the CMs just thought what the heck, let everybody ride.

 

[summerw]

Yes, there are many reason the FP+ may flash blue. Every experience I have seen, a CM will help correct the issue (or due a manual override). As I stated, that didn't happen in this case. It's ironic that some posters are adamant that appearance shouldn't matter; but they immediately assume what a posters ethnicity may be just by reading a post. I observed what appeared to be preferential treatment, not discrimination. Some people need to relax and be more open minded.

I haven't assumed you're any particular color or ethnicity, because I think any can be prejudiced. It's just ignorance, whatever color or background it comes from. Do you really not see that thinking that their "large, black, urban appearance" (your description) got them preferential treatment IS discrimination, theoretically on the part of the CM if that was the reason and on your part for thinking those details had anything to do with it????

I have no earthly idea why they were waved through, but I have no intention of being more "open minded" to the idea that a Disney CM let people through the FP line because of the way they looked.

I was really trying to be open minded about your intentions, but no one who is offended by your post needs to "relax." I think it sucks you're putting this out there as a possibility when you have less than no proof. You are perpetuating the idea that people are scared of "large, black, urban men." That just sucks.

If you are really worried that this they were given some kind of preferential treatment, contact Disney. You don't need to start a thread like this here.

But that's not what the poster's experience was. He was giving the whole story. To leave OUT race and description is another form of 'ism".

How is it offensive for the OP to tell a story and wonder what happened? If offense was caused, it would be on the part of the CM who might have been scared. And even that isn't offensive; we are allowed to have feelings, after all. What would be offensive would be to NOT allow access and have them kicked out for their appearance.

I think that's part of the question the OP is asking? I think he's telling the whole story and wondering what went on, or what might have gone on.

How, exactly, do you KNOW that? What if it was?

I think the OP is ASKING. That's not assuming. That's asking. Wondering. Trying to figure it out. Assuming means the OP decided it, fixed it in his head, and never asked the question.

But not in the case of the men in question, it seems.

Why would you assume the OP would not?

Heh heh, interesting.

Pretty sure that's why the OP posted...to get other answers of what might have happened. That answer, a really good one, might very well have been given VERY early on.

Well, if we assume that laidbackdad is also a black man, is the description of the men offensive now? No, not so much. So we're assuming LBD is NOT black. Right? Right. We're assuming (and acting on those assumptions in the way people are responding to LBD) the race/ethnicity of LBD.

I normally agree with your posts and hope you're just playing devil's advocate here. Yes, if we assume laidbackdad is a large, black, urban man with tattoos, then the description still offends me because it is only relevant if the CM is racist.

I don't think it's cool to either perpetuate that "large, black, urban" men get away with stuff because someone is afraid of them or that other races are scared of someone because they are large, black and urban. Racist either way. The OP could easily have asked some reasons why someone might have been waved through without putting all the race info in there. Putting the info in there implies it could be relevant.

 

[GreatLakes]

You know that old saying about every though that enters your head not having to come out of your mouth (or fingers I guess in this case)? I'd say this is a good example of exactly that sentiment.