Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis found in contempt, going to jail

[ariel71]

No. Unless you know the exact teachings of her faith, you have no idea where it stands on divorce. There are many reasons for divorce. And there are those who divorced and later their lfe changed. Thats not something she can tell by looking at them.

I don't agree with her choices. But I don't feel its right to immediately jump on the bandwagon of her being a hypocrite.

I am not justfying what she did. She had the choice to step down and she should have. Her faith should not be questioned because she doesn't believe as you do or as some like to assume she does.

It's pretty easy to look at the Bible and have a reasonable estimation that her religion has some other tenets on marriage. There are some pretty straightforward passages. If you're going to invoke "God's law" in such earnestness as to go to jail over, then you better back it up by taking a stand against anything that's an affront to God. But no, she chooses this small area of marriage upon which to stake her flag.

"Hypocrite" - someone whose actions are not consistent with their claimed beliefs.

I have a very hard time believing that most born-again religions don't look too kindly on divorce. That's not saying those religions may not proclaim certain instances where it's acceptable, but that doesn't change what's literally written in the bible. The hypocrisy isn't about her personal life or divorces pre-conversion, it's about using her job to only enforce one particular biblical tenet and not others. Divorce is just a possible example.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Did anyone else see the story that Ms. Davis (apparently unknowingly) issued a marriage license to a couple comprised of one female and one transgender male (born female) in February. Oh my.

 

[sam_gordon]

Certainly free to think as you wish.

I don't care about the location a couple selects for their wedding. That's their decision. It's not my business. I'm certainly not going to call a happy couple, in love, hypocrites. That would just be mean spirited and odd to me.

Vegas? fine. Rowan county? fine. Local church of xyz town? fine. Justice of the peace? fine. See where this is going?

You misunderstood me. I don't think the "happy couple" are hypocrites. I think those who claim Davis is doing this for attention but aren't willing to criticize others who are using this situation to get attention are hypocrites.

 

[gwynne]

You misunderstood me. I don't think the "happy couple" are hypocrites. I think those who claim Davis is doing this for attention but aren't willing to criticize others who are using this situation to get attention are hypocrites.

I don't care "why" Davis is doing this. If it's too hard, too complicated, or just not her cup of tea, she can quit. I am not impressed with someone who greedily grabs the paycheck, but can't be bothered to do the job. And not only is she shirking her job, she's harassing her customers. All of that says to me, she needs to find another line of work.


Once again, folks are free to marry wherever. I'm not criticizing couples. I'm just not.

 

[kamik86]

For the divorce issue... Yes you can maybe claim that her own divorces and cheating and all the stuff she did doesn't make her a hipocrite because she is born again. Frankly I still think it makes her an awful person. Since I'm not taking away any of her rights while thinking that though I'm allowed to do that... just like she can hate all same sex couples and think they are awful people if that is what she wants to do... as long as she still does her job while she is at it.

However where she is a hypocrite she has held these beliefs according to her for some time. I find it hard to believe no one that was ever divorced has come to her for a licence. The catholic church does have some times where divorce is acceptable, those are debated among different groups, however all of them as far as I know agree that when you marry you marry "until death do you part" so if you need to divorce due to abuse, adultery etc that is ok but the church forbids remarrying until either the marriage is annulled or the ex spouse is dead.

So why are some people that are breaking gods laws in order to marry ok with her and others are not? This is where she is a hypocrite.

Oh yeah and then there is the point that even if she wasn't a hypocrite she has no ground to stand on when it comes to accepting the pay for a job she isn't doing. Just like the pharmacists that wanted to claim a religious exception so they didn't have to fill prescriptions for plan B and birth control

 

[Christine]

You misunderstood me. I don't think the "happy couple" are hypocrites. I think those who claim Davis is doing this for attention but aren't willing to criticize others who are using this situation to get attention are hypocrites.

I think there's a big difference in trying to garner attention because you believe your civil rights are being violated as opposed to garnering attention to support your case in keeping people down. The "oppressed" in this world have to use all the means available to them to expose fraud, negligence, and abuse and if taking a stand in Rowan County brings it to people's attention, that's probably all they have.

This woman is not a minority, she belongs to one of the most powerful and "majority" religions on earth, she has a government job, she's got power in her community. I understand that she may feel that she is oppressed also, but only one side is correct in this area, as the law dictates. She has broken her oath to support the Constitution, whether she agrees with it or not. If she could not do that she should have resigned her position, clearly stating her reasons, and joined various groups to try to get the law changed if she truly believes it is discriminatory against her.

 

[sam_gordon]

I don't care "why" Davis is doing this. If it's too hard, too complicated, or just not her cup of tea, she can quit. I am not impressed with someone who greedily grabs the paycheck, but can't be bothered to do the job. And not only is she shirking her job, she's harassing her customers. All of that says to me, she needs to find another line of work.


Once again, folks are free to marry wherever. I'm not criticizing couples. I'm just not.

Good.

According to Davis' husband, her family has received death threats in the weeks since this has been building. IF true, that is just as wrong as what Davis did.

 

[gwynne]

Good.

According to Davis' husband, her family has received death threats in the weeks since this has been building. IF true, that is just as wrong as what Davis did.

I would expect them to file a sworn police report for each and every incident. Surely that has been done, since her husband is alleging this.

 

[kamik86]

Good.

According to Davis' husband, her family has received death threats in the weeks since this has been building. IF true, that is just as wrong as what Davis did.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case... she has come out with a position of such hate that it doesn't surprise me that some would respond in kind.

I can't imagine hating anyone enough to issue them a death threat, but then again I can't understand hating a group of people so much I would rather go to jail then see them enjoy equal rights.

 

[experiment_6two6]

I would expect them to file a sworn police report for each and every incident. Surely that has been done, since her husband is alleging this.

Not for nothing, but her husband is claiming he holds 10,000 votes in Rowan County and says he will tell those people not to vote for the town sheriff because his wife is in jail illegally.

 

[Christine]

Not for nothing, but her husband is claiming he holds 10,000 votes in Rowan County and says he will tell those people not to vote for the town sheriff because his wife is in jail illegally.

These people are really scum.

 

[Gracie09]

These people are really scum.

This is the second husband who is also the fourth husband who adopted the child she had with the third husband while married to the first husband?

and the gays are killing the sanctity of marriage

 

[experiment_6two6]

This is the second husband who is also the fourth husband who adopted the child she had with the third husband while married to the first husband?

and the gays are killing the sanctity of marriage

 

[LAB81018]

This is the second husband who is also the fourth husband who adopted the child she had with the third husband while married to the first husband?

and the gays are killing the sanctity of marriage

Stop it you're making me dizzy.

 

[Unas]

Kathryn Steinle had her rights violated when she was murdered by a man with multiple felonies who was an illegal alien, and deported multiple times, but just came right back over the border. It was requested that the sheriff's office notify ICE if and when he was released, but they refused to do so, and released him back into the public.
To your apples and oranges comparison, either you stand on the principle of laws being enforced, or not. Which is it?

You equate a bureaucratic request with a law? And no such federal law exists.

 

[LAB81018]

Correct me if I am wrong.

Wasn't she still issuing licenses to hetrosexual couples after the SCOUS ruling and when she was called on it (what originally brought her to national attention), then she stopped issuing all licenses (as this could cover her behind)?

She is probably being encouraged by Liberty Council to refrain from resigning simply because she is worth more to them as an imprisoned martyr than an unemployed free martyr. Along with the above information that she may be holding out to January to vest into her pension, really doesn't make as good a talking point.

 

[JaxDad]

Correct me if I am wrong.

Wasn't she still issuing licenses to hetrosexual couples after the SCOUS ruling and when she was called on it (what originally brought her to national attention), then she stopped issuing all licenses (as this could cover her behind)?

You're wrong. She stopped issuing all licenses the day after the SCOTUS decision.

 

[Unas]

You misunderstood me. I don't think the "happy couple" are hypocrites. I think those who claim Davis is doing this for attention but aren't willing to criticize others who are using this situation to get attention are hypocrites.

I don't think they applied for the license in order to get attention. If anything, they did it to get standing.

 

[mom2AidanAndEli]

I'd love to see a response from those who think she's being targeted or that her actions are justified or that it's understandable because she's standing up for her beliefs.

Would you feel the same way if it wasn't a belief/religion that you agreed with? Would you feel the same way if it was a Mormon following their beliefs and refusing to serve alcohol or cigarettes even though they worked at store that dispensed them? Would you feel the same if it was a Jewish person who would not give you the ham and cheese sandwich you ordered even though it's on the menu? What if it was a Muslim? Or a Quaker? Or a Christian Scientist?

You might not agree with their beliefs, but would you just as strongly support them????? Or is it only okay if it's your religion? And be honest!

 

[pryncess527]

I'd love to see a response from those who think she's being targeted or that her actions are justified or that it's understandable because she's standing up for her beliefs.

Would you feel the same way if it wasn't a belief/religion that you agreed with? Would you feel the same way if it was a Mormon following their beliefs and refusing to serve alcohol or cigarettes even though they worked at store that dispensed them? Would you feel the same if it was a Jewish person who would not give you the ham and cheese sandwich you ordered even though it's on the menu? What if it was a Muslim? Or a Quaker? Or a Christian Scientist?

You might not agree with their beliefs, but would you just as strongly support them????? Or is it only okay if it's your religion? And be honest!

That's been asked at least a dozen times in this thread and is repeatedly met with the sound of crickets.
Which strikes me as very telling.