Are all Disney resort perks fair?

The only thing that bugs me in this is the assumption of malice that a lot of people assign Disney in all this. I think they are just trying to do their best to live up to what they see as their mission statement as best they can. I don't think any of the changes that have been made have been made for any reasons other than to a) reward those who are willing to stay on site and b) maximize the park experience for the most people possible.

We can say things like they ought to build more rides to accommodate the traffic they get, but looking at the cost for amusement parks around the country, MK admission is in line for the number of rides they offer. Their on-site prices are high, but that's the case with every single resort I've ever stayed in, and in line with every theme park I've ever visited. If they doubled the number of rides, they'd be justified in doubling their prices if they want to stay in line with every other park in the country (and certainly in the Orlando area). No one wants that -- and even if it happened, there'd still be too many people and there would still be waits for the new ones. So I think they are caught in a very attractive trap -- more people want to come than can have a perfect day at any given time.

But when people talk about the current regime and its failings, I honestly have to ask what would you have them do? Cut attendance at the gate? Cap it at 50K? 60? You have to keep in mind that on any given day there are 100,000 resort guests on property -- if they split 40-20-20-20, that only leaves 10 or 20 thousand spots at the MK for off-site guests. It would be a mad rush at rope drop every day if suddenly the parks were going to severely limit entry to the point where the waits became more tolerable. Getting rid of FP wasn't (IMO) as much a limiting experiences as much as it was to make sure -- the most they could -- that as many guests as possible got a chance to do at least some of what they wanted to do. If they opened FP up to the public at the same time they opened to the resort guests, more and more resort guests (who are showing the most loyalty, at least with their purchases) would be shut out. And because the resort guests, for the most part, are making their reservations and travel plans well in advance of 60 days, they'd have a lot of disappointed people who are on site.

Do i wish the parks were cleaner? Sure. I think they've lost some of the magic, but I blame that more on the CMs than the overall philosophy (being a park CM used to be an entry-level first job for a lot of us. It was rarely a destination. But as the economy has changed, it's become more of a fall-back destination for many, and they lack the energy and the excitement that a lot of CMs used to show). I don't like the homogenization of the merchandise. And I don't like the crowds But I don't know what they can do about it without facing shareholder revolt.

So when these messages and these posts start turning to Disney operating out of male, I think that's unfair. it's not that I defend them without reason, or I think they are unfallable. I grew up thinking of them as the evil empire, and seeing how much advantage it took of my hometown. But you have to be fair,a nd I feel a lot of this criticism feels a little ruler than it needs to.
 
We booked our trip one day at a time. We could not book the whole trip but only each day as we reached the 30 day mark. On your calendar, June 3rd is not available so we would have had to check tomorrow morning for June 4.
Yes, it is one day at a time for off-siters. I thought that was common knowledge.
 
I have things I'm critical of as well. Granted, not nearly as much as others, but they're there and I've posted about them before. But there are some people who you can take a look at their posting history and you will rarely, if ever, find them making mention of a single thing they like about Disney. One of course isn't required to like anything about WDW. I have family that I couldn't pay them to go- but then they don't spend their time on a Disney forum talking about all the things they hate about it.
People seriously look back through others posting history? To what end? :scared:
 
Yes, it is one day at a time for off-siters. I thought that was common knowledge.

Depends on your definition of common. I sure didn't.

People seriously look back through others posting history? To what end? :scared:

Lol- I've had people drag up posts I made months ago trying to prove a point or catch me in a contradiction. I post a lot- going back a few months must take hours. Looking at someone's posts who have 10 or fewer takes seconds.
 
Depends on your definition of common. I sure didn't.

Lol- I've had people drag up posts I made months ago trying to prove a point or catch me in a contradiction. I post a lot- going back a few months must take hours. Looking at someone's posts who have 10 or fewer takes seconds.
The definition of common is self-explanatory.

You know that it takes seconds to pull up relevant posts using the search engine and keywords, right?
 
The definition of common is self-explanatory.

You know that it takes seconds to pull up relevant posts using the search engine and keywords, right?

I thought so too, but if you've never had to book within 30 days, there's really no reason to know it's any different than booking at 60. I don't assume everyone knows everything about every detail of FP+ both for off site and on. I appreciate PG's polite explanation of how it worked as I was completely unaware.

Yes, I'm aware that if you have a unique keyword, your search time is much faster. However, when it's a subject such as FP+. you're likely to get a lot of posts when you search me.

My point being, people get searched all the time when someone wants to challenge them, so looking at a new poster's history, who is surprisingly vocal about their opinions, shouldn't be surprising.
 
I thought so too, but if you've never had to book within 30 days, there's really no reason to know it's any different than booking at 60. I don't assume everyone knows everything about every detail of FP+ both for off site and on. I appreciate PG's polite explanation of how it worked as I was completely unaware.

Yes, I'm aware that if you have a unique keyword, your search time is much faster. However, when it's a subject such as FP+. you're likely to get a lot of posts when you search me.

My point being, people get searched all the time when someone wants to challenge them, so looking at a new poster's history, who is surprisingly vocal about their opinions, shouldn't be surprising.
I reply to the post I am looking at for any poster, not what is in their posting history. Unless it is obvious spam or a troll, I don't care what they said in past posts.
 
I reply to the post I am looking at for any poster, not what is in their posting history. Unless it is obvious spam or a troll, I don't care what they said in past posts.

Ok. Not everyone posts like you do. We're all snowflakes. :)
 
People seriously look back through others posting history? To what end? :scared:

I was thinking the same thing.

I have things I'm critical of as well. Granted, not nearly as much as others, but they're there and I've posted about them before. But there are some people who you can take a look at their posting history and you will rarely, if ever, find them making mention of a single thing they like about Disney. One of course isn't required to like anything about WDW. I have family that I couldn't pay them to go- but then they don't spend their time on a Disney forum talking about all the things they hate about it.

It really doesn't take long for most of the ones I've seen- they all seem to be new with not much posting history.

Why so unwelcoming to a new poster? :confused3
IMO, all viewpoints are valid here, even if they happen to be critical of Disney, and even if it's from someone new to the boards. Interestingly, the primary posters over the last few pages of this thread have been with the DIS for many years and have anywhere from a couple hundred to well over 40,000 posts.

I reply to the post I am looking at for any poster, not what is in their posting history. Unless it is obvious spam or a troll, I don't care what they said in past posts.

Agreed.
 
Point 1 - correct and the heart of the whole argument here is if the current philosophy is correct? Are they serving only a part of the audience?

Yes, the current philosophy is correct. No marketing strategy is designed to target everyone. Disney has always, and is still, focused on the "vacationing young to middle aged families with kids 3-9" crowd. This is, I'd say, the most lucrative market to go after, because people spending money as a family unit spend a lot of money on trips. They are not at all going after the teen market or the single adult market. Now sure they have some things for these folks, but it is not their sweet spot. As a parent w kids in the target audience, who watch the movies, shows, and characters, I can tell you Disney has it nailed. When our kids are older, we will probly not do Disney as much, in favor of something more adventurous.

Point 2 - no offense... But the parks are not "better" now when you consider all factors then what they were 10 years ago. People are drinking the sand. That is a matter of opinion - I concede. And I don't think anyone is getting screwed except in some areas of pricing...and I don't want that to expand. Pretty simple.

What a silly thing to say. As if you are some authority on what is better? That is so subjective. I happen to think the parks were really awesome when I was young, were really awesome thru my early adulthood, and are really awesome now. And I've been going consistently for over 30 years. If I could, today, go to the Disney World of 1980 vs the Disney World of 2015, I would absolutely pick the WDW of today. The good rides from back then have survived the times, and the technology has come so far in new rides.

Point 3 - it was never about "rides"...it's about proportional investment, erosion of value, and longterm stagnation of the product.

I don't see any erosion of value or stagnation. I see a solid company, offering a solid product. The company is doing well not because they are bloodsuckers, but because they are offering a solid product that millions of people want. You cannot argue w movies like Frozen, Nemo, Toy Story, Avengers, Star Wars, etc. These are industry-leading movies, and Disney leverages them to make money in so many ways.

Stagnation? They are doing some awesome things. On one hand ppl will complain about construction and removing dated rides like Maelstrom to satiate their princesses w a Frozen ride, and then they'll complain about the Frozen ride too. Disney is building what the people want. 6 hours waiting for A&E. Remember those days? Frozen is big. Star Wars will be too. And the AK nighttime show, and Pandora. And new awesome coaster for my younger kids in the center of Fantasyland. Downtown Disney is getting revamped too, and oh yeah our fav resort the Poly. Pretty much everything in Disney World is being redone, and ppl still talk of stagnation. It's just amazing.

I have planning to do. This new EMH schedule has me having to make some touch choices. :D
 
It really doesn't take long for most of the ones I've seen- they all seem to be new with not much posting history.
That sounds a bit like trying to weed out negative posters. I'm pretty sure all opinions are valid here and nobody really needs to be called out either way.
 
That sounds a bit like trying to weed out negative posters. I'm pretty sure all opinions are valid here and nobody really needs to be called out either way.

Who says anyone calls them out? The question was about spending time looking at people's past posting. It was just the other day I read some clearly sarcastic comments to a new poster who was pro FP+. And it has only been a couple of days since it was confirmed by WM's that there are indeed people creating false ID's. I'd link the thread, but it's been closed so I suspect that would be in violation of board rules.
 
Why would anyone even care how many posts someone has? Having few posts doesn't make someone ignorant or malicious. I want to hear other viewpoints because if we all just sit around and agree about everything then why even talk? The DIS could just post how to tour WDW and we would end up with the UOG and no forums.

I say that as someone who has way too many posts. ;)
 
Who says anyone calls them out? The question was about spending time looking at people's past posting. It was just the other day I read some clearly sarcastic comments to a new poster who was pro FP+. And it has only been a couple of days since it was confirmed by WM's that there are indeed people creating false ID's. I'd link the thread, but it's been closed so I suspect that would be in violation of board rules.
To add to my last post, why pay attention to this sort of thing?
 
I haven't read through all 24 pages on this thread, but here are my thoughts on whether Disney resort perks are fair?

Is it fair that a military veteran can get a VA loan with the benefits it offers that a non veteran can't get? I say yes.
Is it fair that same veteran can get up to a $500 discount off a new car from many manufacturers? I say yes.
Is it fair that a student being added to a parents auto policy can get a good student discount for having a 3.0 grade average and one at 2.0 grade average does not? I say yes.
Is it fair that a shopper can receive a discount at their favorite grocery store by using a rewards card and one without does not? I say yes.
Is it fair Universal Studios offers "skip the regular lines for free" benefit and early park entrance for the Wizarding World of Harry Potter that offsite guests do not get to enjoy? I say yes.


Is it fair that someone staying on Walt Disney World property get's perks such as 60 FP+, 180+10 ADR's and extra hours in the parks. I say yes.

Disney's perks in it's application are no different than other discounts and perks we may receive from our favorite grocery store, gas station, airline or Visa card. These businesses offer such perks to try and get their customers to use their services instead of another; Disney World is no different. Offering these perks helps Disney to get more of your money to stay in their hotels instead of those offsite... This is good business for Disney and is not one I have a problem with.
 
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I haven't read through all 24 pages on this thread, but here are my thoughts on whether Disney resort perks are fair?

Is it fair that a military veteran can get a VA loan with the benefits it offers that a non veteran can get? I say yes.
Is it fair that same veteran can get up to a $500 discount off a new car from many manufacturers? I say yes.
Is it fair that a student being added to a parents auto policy can get a good student discount for having a 3.0 grade average and one at 2.0 grade average does not? I say yes.
Is it fair that a shopper can receive a discount at their favorite grocery store by using a rewards card and one without does not? I say yes.
Is it fair Universal Studios offers "skip the regular lines for free" benefit and early park entrance for the Wizarding World of Harry Potter that offsite guests do not get to enjoy? I say yes.


Is it fair that someone staying on Walt Disney World property get's perks such as 60 FP+, 180+10 ADR's and extra hours in the parks. I say yes.

Disney's perks in it's application are no different than other discounts and perks we may receive from our favorite grocery store, gas station, airline or Visa card. These businesses offer such perks to try and get their customers to use their services instead of another; Disney World is no different. Offering these perks helps Disney to get more of your money to stay in their hotels instead of those offsite... This is good business for Disney and is not one I have a problem with.
Some people say that anyone who buys a pass to a themepark should at least have the opportunity to be treated equally. I agree, at least during regular hours. I don't care about extra hours such as EMH because that is beyond the regular day. I don't think that the 60 day window is as big a deal as some but I see it as a troubling trend. Maybe. ;)

Some people mention Universal being less fair because of Express but I think that they are more fair because I can access Express even if it costs me. I guess that it's all a matter of perspective. :)
 
I guess we'll be watching a new movie before our DLR trip :)
The first time we saw the overlay, we hadn't seen the movie. We still enjoyed the theming. But if you're like me, trip planning and trip anticipation is almost as much fun as the trip itself. So adding the movie to your trip planning itinerary is a pleasure not a chore. Plus, I think the movie is around 1 hour. Not very long.
 
Some people say that anyone who buys a pass to a themepark should at least have the opportunity to be treated equally. I agree, at least during regular hours. I don't care about extra hours such as EMH because that is beyond the regular day. I don't think that the 60 day window is as big a deal as some but I see it as a troubling trend. Maybe. ;)

Some people mention Universal being less fair because of Express but I think that they are more fair because I can access Express even if it costs me. I guess that it's all a matter of perspective. :)

I have seen many of your posts over the years (43k is a lot, LOL) and have agreed with many, but I am of a different opinion here. I see what you are saying and can even say I see your point of view; I will even admit the old FP was equal ground for everyone who knew about it and how it worked, but for me, I just don't have a problem with how it is now other than I really don't care for FP+ all that much...:( But then I do see what you are saying about Universal at least offering the opportunity to purchase an Express Pass and would not have a problem if Disney wanted to charge a price for offsite guests to access 60+ FP. Doubt I would buy it; but with that said, I will admit, you bring a good argument to the table.
 

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