I've read the writing on the wall, and its not a great big beautiful tomorrow

[mom2rtk]

Exactly, it was like this before any kind of fast pass was implemented. When I was young I'd wait hours to ride splash mountain. It's not a fast pass problem, it's a theme park problem.

It absolutely is a theme park problem. But it was a problem with a solution. For some, this new system is a better solution. But for others it is a loss of that solution.

 

[BarbieGal457]

I waited 4 hours to ride Everest when it first opened because guess what? We missed out on FP by getting to the park a half hour late (getting 6 girls on the bus quickly is not easy). So what did we do? We waited. There were always winners and losers, and yes of course frustration is okay with this or any system, but it was not different before FP+ at all.

 

[mom2rtk]

Why I didn't use the word "significantly".

4 days, at present, is $76 per day. (~$20 savings per day)
5 days, at present, drops another $13.

Fair point.

But I wouldn't pay $74 for DHS or Epcot. Probably not AK either. I will pay $105 for the MK though.

 

[3DisneyFanz]

Statistics have shown that overall wait times have gone up since the implementation of FP+ especially among rides that used to be nearly walk on that are seeing increases of 10+ minutes. I find it hard to take any positive or consider any process a success which actually negatively impacts wait times.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Fair point.

But I wouldn't pay $74 for DHS or Epcot. Probably not AK either. I will pay $105 for the MK though.

I'm not sure what I would do. Multi-day does make the decision to do it easier without feeling like you are wasting money.

 

[mom2rtk]

I'm not sure what I would do. Multi-day does make the decision to do it easier without feeling like you are wasting money.

Our solution is to stop in the MK when we're in Florida and do everything we can't do at Disneyland, then head west for our longer fully immersive Disney experience later in the year.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

I waited 4 hours to ride Everest when it first opened because guess what? We missed out on FP by getting to the park a half hour late (getting 6 girls on the bus quickly is not easy). So what did we do? We waited. There were always winners and losers, and yes of course frustration is okay with this or any system, but it was not different before FP+ at all.

It was different regarding how the skip the line opportunities were distributed and who was able to get them. Disney in effect eliminated: having FPs for the full set of attractions in the park available in their entirety for the day first thing in the morning; the ability to get FPs for the same attraction more than once per day (unless you could get a repeat one once your original 3 were used or expired); and the ability to guarantee yourself a skip the line on very popular attractions merely by arriving early (now it may even depend solely on where you decided to arrange for lodging). If you hate these changes, you will have a bad time.

 

[Putney]

Statistics have shown that overall wait times have gone up since the implantation of FP+ especially among rides that used to be nearly walk on that are seeing increases of 10+ minutes. I find it hard to take any positive or consider any process a success which actually negatively impacts wait times.

This was our experience. Slapping FP+ on continuos loading rides was a bad move IMO.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Our solution is to stop in the MK when we're in Florida and do everything we can't do at Disneyland, then head west for our longer fully immersive Disney experience later in the year.

I think you live closer. That is cross country for us. We had a trip all planned a few years back but then my husband lost his job.

Hoping to make it out that way in a few years and do a whole California trip out of it.

 

[wareagle57]

I think the OP's issue is that previously she would have been able to ride it with less than a 30 minute wait. So it's a net loss to her.

When is this "previously" that she would have been able to do that? I am assuming you are referencing a time before FP+ when that ride didn't exist? But even then, I don't think that is correct. On EMH mornings when there is not FP+, lines still build above 30 minutes very quickly. I guess she could have waited in a 20 minute line for FP- like they do in California for the Cars ride.

 

[mom2rtk]

I think you live closer. That is cross country for us. We had a trip all planned a few years back but then my husband lost his job.

Hoping to make it out that way in a few years and do a whole California trip out of it.

We're not close to either park. We're smack dab in the middle of the country. I'm still waiting for Disney to split the difference and put one here.

 

[ArwenMarie]

If it weren't for Park Hoppers, I wonder what attendance would look like at the 3 non-MK WDW parks. Would anyone pay $97 to just visit DHS?

Not just park hoppers but the current pricing structure that allows admission at a greatly reduced price on the out days.

No way would I pay full admission for DHS. I probably wouldn't for Epcot either. Not sure about AK.

Without the multi-day discounts, I think the other three parks could command $50 a day at most. I do think that $100 for MK is probably the right price, but no way for the other parks. I'm sure they sell a lot of one-day tickets to MK, I would love to know if they sell any to the other three. Maybe Epcot to get access to the food and drink festivals.

 

[mom2rtk]

When is this "previously" that she would have been able to do that? I am assuming you are referencing a time before FP+ when that ride didn't exist? But even then, I don't think that is correct. On EMH mornings when there is not FP+, lines still build above 30 minutes very quickly. I guess she could have waited in a 20 minute line for FP- like they do in California for the Cars ride.

I wasn't referencing that ride specifically, but hot new headliner rides in general.

I would take a 20 minute wait for a FP over an hour or more in line. And RSR is more than worth that wait.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

We're not close to either park. We're smack dab in the middle of the country. 'm still waiting for Disney to split the difference and put one here.

Aaahh...that makes sense. Nice to have the choice of either though.

 

[BarbieGal457]

It absolutely is a theme park problem. But it was a problem with a solution. For some, this new system is a better solution. But for others it is a loss of that solution.

I really am not trying to be snarky at all, but that will be the case with every and any new system anywhere, not just Disney. New systems will always make others lose their solutions that were provided by the old system, yet for some who the old system was not a solution for (like me sometimes), the new system will in fact now provide them with a solution. It's just give and take when things change.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I wasn't referencing that ride specifically, but hot new headliner rides in general.

I would take a 20 minute wait for a FP over an hour or more in line. And RSR is more than worth that wait.

What is RSR and what makes it worth it?

 

[MakiraMarlena]

Radiator Springs Racers in Disneyland.

It's like Test Track but a lot better.

Lines are major for it all day long. It can even take a half hour to 45 minutes using the single rider line. You can spend 20 minutes in line just to get a fastpass for this attraction.

 

[mom2rtk]

I really am not trying to be snarky at all, but that will be the case with every and any new system anywhere, not just Disney. New systems will always make others lose their solutions that were provided by the old system, yet for some who the old system was not a solution for (like me sometimes), the new system will in fact now provide them with a solution. It's just give and take when things change.

I get that. But when someone like the OP comes along and expresses her frustration, I just wish people would quit telling them how wrong they are.

 

[Asellus]

RSR:...hope they build one at WDW because it looks amazing! Too far for us to go to DL

 

[Xennia]

So you must not ever book more than 60 days out.

I'm an annual pass holder. I have several reservations during different months.

I'm just into planning. If I do a trip on a whim, I know I will get what's available and most won't be my favorites.


Sometimes I go in an play around and get lucky. It's all about timing.

The new fast pass system forces you to plan ahead.

I have had a great time so far and it's just April.