Avatarland!!!!

[Borishack]

For the record avatar would be number 2 all time if you take out inflation

Still number one all time blue ray

Doesn't mean much, given Blue Ray is already a declining format (sales peaked earlier this year and are now on a permanently declining slope). Tell us about Avatar streaming from Netflix, please.

About 6 million more people saw avatar than the avengers just domestically

Employing that logic, Disney should be building "Tara Land" with a "Gone With The Wind" E-ticket attraction, since the latter film has been seen by over 200 million ticket buyers, while Avatar is way down that list at #14 with less than half the viewers of GWTW.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm?adjust_yr=1&p=.htm

I think people should judge the land on its own not by the movie even though it is a commercial and critical success.

With all due respect, it appears you are trying to have it both ways. "Judge it on its own" is code for "I'm not confident the film tie in is going to be a meaningful draw", while simultaneously throwing out the increasingly fatigued spin that the Avatar is universally viewed some sort of landmark achievement in film history.

Star wars is better than twilight zone but tower of terror blows star tours away

Only to those who rate g forces over narrative.

 

[twebber55]

Doesn't mean much, given Blue Ray is already a declining format (sales peaked earlier this year and are now on a permanently declining slope). Tell us about Avatar streaming from Netflix, please.

go ahead and dismiss facts that prove you wrong that's always good idea

Employing that logic, Disney should be building "Tara Land" with a "Gone With The Wind" E-ticket attraction, since the latter film has been seen by over 200 million ticket buyers, while Avatar is way down that list at #14 with less than half the viewers of GWTW.

First a land based on the civil war probably is not a good idea...the greatest movie ever to me is the godfather and again not a good idea for theme parks....
nope wrong again number two in world wide gross, not looking at domestic,
avatar is one of the most watched movies of the last 20 years which is s big deal...times have changed red box, net flix etc... drastically changed the movie environment...word of mouth made this movie one of the great movies over the last 20 years....77 000 000 opening weekend 68 000 000 4th weekend that's unheard of

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm?adjust_yr=1&p=.htm



With all due respect, it appears you are trying to have it both ways. "Judge it on its own" is code for "I'm not confident the film tie in is going to be a meaningful draw", while simultaneously throwing out the increasingly fatigued spin that the Avatar is universally viewed some sort of landmark achievement in film history.

not trying to have it both ways just trying to get people to look beyond the movie and into the wonderful concept art that was provided


Only to those who rate g forces over narrative.

star tours is the 4 most popular ride at DHS...theme park insider guest rates it below tower of terror

if you hate the idea of avatar so much why keep coming back to the thread..seems odd....give it a chance

when the next avatar movie comes out and makes a billion plus......

 

[twebber55]

I think im done on this thread.....
come Jan 6th Camp Minnie Mickey is closing and Pandora will begin
see ya in early 2017

 

[Yellowstonetim]

Doesn't mean much, given Blue Ray is already a declining format (sales peaked earlier this year and are now on a permanently declining slope). Tell us about Avatar streaming from Netflix, please.

Employing that logic, Disney should be building "Tara Land" with a "Gone With The Wind" E-ticket attraction, since the latter film has been seen by over 200 million ticket buyers, while Avatar is way down that list at #14 with less than half the viewers of GWTW.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm?adjust_yr=1&p=.htm

With all due respect, it appears you are trying to have it both ways. "Judge it on its own" is code for "I'm not confident the film tie in is going to be a meaningful draw", while simultaneously throwing out the increasingly fatigued spin that the Avatar is universally viewed some sort of landmark achievement in film history.

Only to those who rate g forces over narrative.

150 million of those 200 million are dead or in nursing homes. There wasn't one overwhelming aspect of that movie that everyone loved AND would translate into a theme park.

Movie tie-ins are not required for ride success. HP and Star Wars will draw many people for good rides and some extra for franchise. However many other rides are very successful without tie-ins or with tie-ins to minimal or non-franchises such as Splash Mountain.

It is the visual world of Pandora, the imaginative fantasy nature that will be an amazing fit with Disney. What they do will be an amazing success for years to come. And if Avatar turns into a franchise - which is possible in spite of the disdain heaped upon it - that will just be so much gravy for Disney. Win - Win.

Except for one thing: Those who know better than the imagineers and know that Disney does everything wrong all the time and Avatar is the worst movie ever made: They know it is doomed to failure. I think this handful of people in the world all reside here on the DISboards.

And we can have it both ways: The environment of Pandora can stand on its own with no franchise if everyone forgets Avatar AND the movie was amazingly successful by one of the greatest directors who is making more and there is a good shot at longevity, maybe even franchise.

 

[Borishack]

150 million of those 200 million are dead or in nursing homes. There wasn't one overwhelming aspect of that movie that everyone loved AND would translate into a theme park.

Did you actually think I was suggesting Disney build Tara land? The fact stands Avatar is way, way down the list of the most watched films, contrary to the spin being made on this thread.

Movie tie-ins are not required for ride success.

No one is saying they are. But what many are missing is that substantive theme is -and that the latter is sorely lacking in the vapid Avatar realm.

It is the visual world of Pandora, the imaginative fantasy nature that will be an amazing fit with Disney.

That is a supposition, not a fact. Cameron is a micromanager and a documented control freak who is legendarily difficult to work with. Or stated differently, the narrative in "Saving Mr. Banks" (which was a heavily steam cleaned version of the real story , but that's a separate discussion) is nothing compared to what the imagineers are facing in trying to design and execute a theme park attraction with this "partner." By the time Disney actually opens anything based on Avatar (if that ever happens), Universal will have dramatically lengthened it's already clear lead in being the real attraction innovator.

 

[Viva Las Disney]

The fact stands Avatar is way, way down the list of the most watched films, contrary to the spin being made on this thread.

So your argument is the confirmed box office numbers, the confirmed Blu-ray sales numbers, and the confirmed ticket sales are all spin and we should just trust you?

How about the Academy awards, Golden Globes, and Saturn awards or all the positive reviews on Rotten Tomatoes where 83% of critics and 82% of audiences liked it, is that spin too?

Forgive my sarcasm but it seems everyone you've accused of spin have facts and you haven't supplied a single piece of evidence to dispute them. You may hate the movie and the idea behind the AK addition but if you are going to say people are spinning this in a positive light when they are using cold hard data you should probably have more than your opinion to back that up with.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

Did you actually think I was suggesting Disney build Tara land? The fact stands Avatar is way, way down the list of the most watched films, contrary to the spin being made on this thread.

No, I didn't, you brought it up to deflect from a perfectly good point. In MODERN history Avatar absolutely DWARFED what everyone considers the biggest franchise of the day, Marvel's the Avengers.

Rank Title Studio Worldwide / % Year^
1 Avatar Fox $2,782.3 2009
2 Titanic Par. $2,186.8 1997
3 Marvel's The Avengers BV $1,518.6 2012
4 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 WB $1,341.5 2011
5 Iron Man 3 BV $1,215.4 2013
6 Transformers: Dark of the Moon P/DW $1,123.8 2011
7 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King NL $1,119.9 2003

No one is saying they are. But what many are missing is that substantive theme is -and that the latter is sorely lacking in the vapid Avatar realm.

Really? REALLY!? You cannot see the theme!!!!!? Do you remember the cultural wave in 2009 when EVERYWHERE in our culture EVERYONE, love or hate the movie, was talking about the amazing world of Pandora and the wonderful flora and fauna!!!! The world is rich, vibrant, imaginative. Those flying dragons are awesome and will be so much better than Soarin', just as the Cars ride is so much better than Test Track even though based on the same technology.

You don't want to see it because you hate the movie and hate everything Disney does. To the average person it is amazingly obvious.

That is a supposition, not a fact. Cameron is a micromanager and a documented control freak who is legendarily difficult to work with. Or stated differently, the narrative in "Saving Mr. Banks" (which was a heavily steam cleaned version of the real story , but that's a separate discussion) is nothing compared to what the imagineers are facing in trying to design and execute a theme park attraction with this "partner." By the time Disney actually opens anything based on Avatar (if that ever happens), Universal will have dramatically lengthened it's already clear lead in being the real attraction innovator.

Now you are trying to have it both ways. Haters complain that Disney doesn't do enough to build great rides like Harry Potter. So Disney partners with one of the greatest artists and inventors, that is a driven control freak that wants to build the best possible attractions, and is obviously a perfect fit for the imagineers - as they both are artists, engineers, and inventors. Yes, they will drive each other nuts AND build something amazing. Cameron will drive them to not settle for anything less. And now you hate Disney for picking someone that will force them to do the best possible rides!

You don't want to like it. No matter what.

Anyway, this won't go anywhere. We will just have to agree to disagree and wait and see what happens.

So your argument is the confirmed box office numbers, the confirmed Blu-ray sales numbers, and the confirmed ticket sales are all spin and we should just trust you?

How about the Academy awards, Golden Globes, and Saturn awards or all the positive reviews on Rotten Tomatoes where 83% of critics and 82% of audiences liked it, is that spin too?

Forgive my sarcasm but it seems everyone you've accused of spin have facts and you haven't supplied a single piece of evidence to dispute them. You may hate the movie and the idea behind the AK addition but if you are going to say people are spinning this in a positive light when they are using cold hard data you should probably have more than your opinion to back that up with.

This is the pattern:

1. I love Disney.
2. Everything Disney does is wrong.
3. I hate Disney. Deeply. And despise everything they do.
4. Because I love Disney.

 

[Borishack]

Disney partners with one of the greatest artists and inventors, that is a driven control freak that wants to build the best possible attractions, and is obviously a perfect fit for the imagineers - as they both are artists, engineers, and inventors.

Yes, certainly....even though Disney can’t even build a small roller coaster in Florida without incurring massive delays, while Universal keeps growing by building attractions people like with the kind of theming Disney used to be known for.

So have fun dreaming about a 2017 opening for "the-overwhelming- majority-of-people-who-saw-the-movie-can't-even-name-a-character-from-it " land. In 2020 we will still have the advocates for this supposed work of art telling us an opening will be happening at some future date.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

I give in. You are right. Universal is wonderful and doing everything right and Disney is terrible and will fail.

That is why we are all on this board after all.

 

[eeyorepixie]

I honestly cannot believe this is still happening...the movie was so-so, I barely remember it and what I do remember was not all that. Now Beastly Kingdom that is something I could get excited about.

 

[twebber55]

I honestly cannot believe this is still happening...the movie was so-so, I barely remember it and what I do remember was not all that. Now Beastly Kingdom that is something I could get excited about.

Avatarland/Pandora reminds me of cars land.....good movie which transitions well to theme park land
cars 2 bombed but it didn't affect cars land
my prediction is Pandora will be huge, especially at night...this along with the new nighttime show and safari will drive DAK attendance up for many years
thought the concept art looked incredible...DAk is transitioning into one of the best parks in the world

 

[surferdave]

I dunno; I know Avatar made a buttload of money, but it bothers me that I don't know the first Avatar geek. I know geeks for just about every imaginable franchise, but not one person who stays geeked up for this one.

Just checked Reddit and was surprised to see there's not even a subreddit for Avatar. I thought everything that more than one person on Earth mildly cared about had a subreddit.

 

[twebber55]

I dunno; I know Avatar made a buttload of money, but it bothers me that I don't know the first Avatar geek. I know geeks for just about every imaginable franchise, but not one person who stays geeked up for this one.

Just checked Reddit and was surprised to see there's not even a subreddit for Avatar. I thought everything that more than one person on Earth mildly cared about had a subreddit.

just for the record avatar does have conventions...which im not apart of
also would like to mention on the Disney parks blog the avatar concept art announcement got 25000 likes on face book, no other announcement is even close
also on avatars face book page it has nearly 50 000 000 likes in comparison harry potter has 60 000 000
star wars and LOTR are around 13 000 000

does that mean a ton? not necessarily but it does mean something

 

[OnSpaceshipEarth]

Avatarland/Pandora reminds me of cars land.....good movie which transitions well to theme park land
cars 2 bombed but it didn't affect cars land
my prediction is Pandora will be huge, especially at night...this along with the new nighttime show and safari will drive DAK attendance up for many years
thought the concept art looked incredible...DAk is transitioning into one of the best parks in the world

"Cars 2" didn't "bomb". It was a box-office hit. It *did* "bomb" with critics, though.

Just sayin'.

 

[twebber55]

"Cars 2" didn't "bomb". It was a box-office hit. It *did* "bomb" with critics, though.

Just sayin'.

poor choice of words I admit but the second one didn't hurt or help the land at DCA which was the point I was making

 

[Suger Mag]

As someone who grew up having an actual black and white TV, and only 4 television channels to choose from (5 when it rained), comparing the StarWars franchise born of yesterday to Avatar's born today is not an easy comparison one vs one. The media world of today that Avatar opened into is much different than the late 70's and 80s of StarWars opening. At the time StarWars was unique... there was no real competition for it... plus our level of expectation and excellence was much lower, and our attention span was much longer. Back then we simply did not have the huge plethora of choice that we do today... there was no TiVO, or On Demand etc. Back then if you did not see a movie in the theater when it was showing, then you were screwed. Maybe in a few years it would be shown on TV as the big hyped Sunday night movie special or mini series (Gone with the Wind anyone?).Today we are so much more jaded, something opens and then the next day it is forgotten or passe because there is something new and shiny to distract us. Movies play for a much shorter period, but it does not matter if you miss it, because it is no big deal to wait until it comes out on DVD next month.

I know it is practically sacrilege to suggest that not EVERYONE is passionate about StarWars, but yes it is true. I could care less about StarWars... enjoyed it as a kid, but even then it was not my thing (I was into horses)... but I love going to ride StarTours and would ecstatic if they built a StarWars land at Hollywood.... not because it has to do with the Force... but because it would be something new to go and experience at WDW. Honestly...how would StarWars (A New Hope) do if it opened today into the media Cambrian Explosion that we exist in? Nevermind how well the crappy pre-sequals 4, 5, and 6 would do.

I am super excited for Avatar land to be built at AK. Couldn't care less about the movie, or movies to come... But I repeat, I am super excited for Pandora or whatever they call it... because the theming will be awesome and the experiences/rides will be unique and most importantly it will be something new.

 

[Borishack]

I honestly cannot believe this is still happening...the movie was so-so, I barely remember it and what I do remember was not all that. Now Beastly Kingdom that is something I could get excited about.

Trust us, you are not alone.

The Avtarland advocates have ready given up trying to imply the movie is an iconic, widely beloved brand (they best they can do is reference Facebook "like" nonsense about meaningless press releases).

So what they now have had to fall back on is repeatedly stating how fantastic some vaguely defined Pandora "environment" will supposedly be. I remember hearing exactly the same sort of hype years ago about the "breakthrough experience" the infallible imagineers were going to deliver on a soon to open, cutting-edge space attraction at Epcot.

Yes, one which was eventually nicknamed "Mission Vomit", and is now known as the dependable walk on when you have run out of everything else to do in Future World...

 

[jcemom]

I'm not an Avatar fan but at this point I just hope, if it ever gets finished, that Disney does a good job with the project and actually delivers the attractions they've hinted at.

Hmmm...unlike New Fantasyland, which they hyped and advertised and I eagerly anticipated, only to get one nice clamshell ride (updated Seas with Nemo), one glorified princess meet (happy I experienced it, but don't ever need to do it again), and a couple of restaurants and shops (lunch at BoG was just okay although the restaurant is very interesting, visually; the LeFou's Brew was disgusting). Meh. Yes, it's very pretty to look at, but in the words of my Uncle Jim..."There isn't actually anything to DO there." LOL. I'm sure the Mine Train addition will make a difference, but then from what I'm hearing, it's basically a well-themed kiddie coaster. I do like the Barnstormer though, so I don't mind a kiddie coaster, really. I guess I was expecting more when they started talking major park expansion than what the finished product delivered.

I hope Avatarland/Pandora doesn't get everything cut until it turns into nothing more than a pretty walk-through with nothing to actually DO.

 

[Annadesu]

I'm not really that worried about Avatar land, honestly... What I am worried about is what it's going to contain. Will it have a lot of fun attractions, or is it just going to be a "SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT OR ELSE" area? Because that's what I felt the movie was like...

 

[twebber55]

Trust us, you are not alone.

The Avtarland advocates have ready given up trying to imply the movie is an iconic, widely beloved brand (they best they can do is reference Facebook "like" nonsense about meaningless press releases).

So what they now have had to fall back on is repeatedly stating how fantastic some vaguely defined Pandora "environment" will supposedly be. I remember hearing exactly the same sort of hype years ago about the "breakthrough experience" the infallible imagineers were going to deliver on a soon to open, cutting-edge space attraction at Epcot.

Yes, one which was eventually nicknamed "Mission Vomit", and is now known as the dependable walk on when you have run out of everything else to do in Future World...

obviously your facebook "nonsense" comment is directed at me... your getting dangerously close to taking personal shots at people relax its just a theme park expansion not the war on poverty or discussions of obamamcare, its all in fun... its just a land at theme park that's all....I referred to facebook because nothing says our American culture like facebook

back to the discussion, nobody called avatar iconic (are you making this stuff up as you go?)what we "the avatar apologist as you referred to" are saying is it has relevance and facts back it up that it was extremely popular and lends itself to a great theme park land..thats all

a short story for you
im a 41 year old social studies teacher who teaches geography....one day we re studying China and I show my kids the Huangshun Mountains(the mountains Cameron based his floating mountains off of)... I asked them what the mountains reminded them of and every class got it immediately they all said avatar...keep in mind these are 13 year olds who were 9 when the movie was out....obviously this is anecdotal compared to the facts I ve given but none the less when it comes to pop culture I refer to kids they know more than us