the sound of music live

I have to admit, I wondered if she was pregnant in one of her outfits - I think it was when she returned from her honeymoon and was talking to Leisl about telegrams and men.

It would explain why she was taking all those extra breaths in odd places.
 
I have a friend who sang with me in college (who was better than me) who is now a professional country singer. A girl I currently sing with in the opera sings jazz on the side, and another one is the lead singer of a local indie band. My voice teacher also sings contemporary Christian music. When I'm not singing opera, I sing early sacred works. All of these have stylistic differences but the basics are all the same. I actually lost a vocal student after one lesson a few weeks ago because she couldn't (or rather her mother) couldn't get that. She was about 14, an aspiring contemporary Christian singer with a youtube channel, and at her first lesson I asked her to sing for me. She sang a contem. Christian song, extremely breathy and unsupported. But that is exactly what I expect from 14 and no lessons. I asked her to sing a scale and got the same thing. So I proceeded to explain an exercise I was going to teach her and how we were going to work on breath support and get the breath out of her tone when her mother interjected, "but that's her style. That's what we like, we like breathy." To which I replied that if they liked the breathy sound and wanted it to be her "style" that was fine but as a singer she should be capable of singing a scale properly, and that was my job. I could tell she wasn't trying for the whole rest of the lesson, and she never came back. Voice teachers know this kind of student to be the kind that don't really want to learn, but just want affirmation that they are awesome, and in this case the mother just wanted that too. Breath support would have solved 90% of carrie's problems based on last night alone (the only time I have ever heard her sing live, which is a better indication than a studio recording). No matter what your taste is, the phrase is not "You can (gasp) sing most (gasp) anything!" She did it every single time, which indicates it was deliberate and rehearsed that way. Same thing with all of Amanda segfried's sustained high notes being cut in half in les mis. It is amazing how breath support effects so many things!!! I have another student who had a bad habit of "chewing" her notes (too much jaw movement). She couldn't get through long melisma passages in one breath. I got her to hold her jaw still and all of a sudden without changing anything else she had the breath to get through it! Stylistic differences are one thing but basics are basics.

When I teach music history or theory, I always ask the same question at the very first class -- "what is music?" The answers nearly always have something about "pleasing," " pleasant," or "sounds good." That is wrong. Music is organized sound and silence. It doesn't have to sound good, because what sounds good to you may not sound good to me. In other cultures, "pleasing" is a very dissonant, buzzy tone, and they think our perfect fifths sound "bad." To me jazz sounds like a cat being thrown at a piano but it is still music. If I'm teaching older women I know to expect something about rap not being "real music" but it most certainly is.

I enjoyed the production. It was fun. I was disappointed in carrie's singing and acting ability, but that did not keep me from enjoying the show. I had higher hopes considering her supporting cast, but apparently her primary role in the production was to draw an audience, and as such she did her job. If they wanted a better singer they certainly could have gotten one so that was not the point.

In closing, it does irritate me to hear people belittle what I and my friends and millions of others I don't know work very hard at. I would never call myself a football player just because I throw a football in my backyard but apparently that is the equivalent of what it takes to call yourself a singer these days. Our American culture does not value vocal talent like it used to. We would rather see half-naked bodies dancing around and cranking out auto-tuned albums. I have a chorus of middle-high schoolers right now who, most of them, until this past September, said they had never sang anything in their life. Not in church, not at home, never. (And -- side note -- because I didn't know the "cup song," I didn't know anything about music, according to them. Of course I came back the next day knowing the cup song!). To me that is so sad. To me that is indicative of a culture that doesn't value musical ability as a skill, just as entertainment. Singers even 30 years ago had more skill than the average pop star does today. I had a high school boy who came to me wanting to learn how to conduct so he could try out for drum major. He consistently conducted backwards and after many many corrections finally he said "it doesn't matter! Both ways are right!" No, both ways are not right. I told him to go ask his band director. I don't know if he ever did, but I know he didn't make drum major. Music, like all art, can be a very personal thing, and so taking instruction and correction can be emotional. But you have to if you are going to grow. I still take lessons and my teacher still takes lessons. In fact, right now I am working on bringing my tone more forward. I've been working on that for about a year now.

Anyway now I am just rambling.

Sent from me.

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I get you. I could go on for paragraphs--my DD is a dancer, singer, I was a classically trained violinist--totally get you.
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If they wanted a historically accurate performance, Maria wouldn't have been from Oklahoma.

It's a good thing the opera/musical theater world doesn't feel the same way, otherwise minorities would never get roles.

Sent from me.

Exactly! The first time I saw Audra McDonald on Broadway was as Carrie in Carousel, a role that I'm pretty sure until then had been played by a white actress. She was amazing! Best part of the whole show and she won a Tony award for it - the first of her 5 Tonys, I think she has now.

But Audra's so talented that she could have been cast as Captain Von Trapp and it still would have been amazing. :p

Insisting on historical accuracy in a performance where nearly every character bursts into song is just silly. Bypassing an actor/actress who can knock a role out of the park solely on that actor's race is a disservice to them and the production, and thank goodness times have changed.
 
Audra out-classed everybody in that cast by a factor of several multiples. Theater is not my thing at all, but she was fantastic.:thumbsup2
 
just watched it on DVR. At best C+. I am a fan of the movie and I am familiar with the stage show so I was not expecting a Julie Andrews carbon copy. As far as that goes I think this was very well done technically. It was not trying to copy the movie and it shouldn't but it was an excellent production of the stage show.

Carrie Underwood cant' act and it never failed that the camera focused on her face just as her eyes were very pointedly looking off set (I'm thinking at a teleprompter). I think she has a good voice but I'm not a fan of hers. They should have looked elsewhere. She did try but you could see her trying, and trying and trying.

The kids were okay. Lisel was very good. The rest were okay but I think they are all beginners so lots of potential.

Stephen Moyer was trying to play the Captain uptight but he really came off stilted. However nice voice just not a lot of power behind it.

The best performances in the show were Laura Benanti and Christian Borle. They were excellent. Great acting, good singing and they played it just right with body language, inflection, and projection.

Audra McDonald was also very good, but not exceptional.

I am very fond of musical theatre and I like that they are doing "stage" performances on film. Not as great as the atmosphere of the theatre but it has a different feel than an actual film and I love that.
 


Race aside, Audra McDonald was just far too young to be Mother Superior. But she did a fantastic job.
 
Audra out-classed everybody in that cast by a factor of several multiples. Theater is not my thing at all, but she was fantastic.:thumbsup2

She out-classes jerks on Twitter too:

https://twitter.com/audraequalitymc/status/409385809960517632

@AudraEqualityMc: “@dave44s: @AudraEqualityMc We turned it off after we saw a negro nun. No negro species in the Sound of Music.” Ok. 18,599,999 viewers then.

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Sadly, there were a lot of comments like that going around Twitter. Which means I can only imagine what those same idiots will be like when the remake of Annie comes out next year. :sad2:
 
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I had lots of trepidation going in, because I felt that Carrie Underwood didn't have the voice or experience to pull it off. A friend who was watching on the East Coast (we West Coasters didn't see it "live") told me to keep an open mind and enjoy it for what it was.

Now, while Carrie Underwood's singing was "okay" to me (and I'm a fan), I felt her acting was terrible, and Stephen Moyer had zero chemistry with her. But the supporting cast was terrific! They made the show for me. I did not know who Laura Benanti was previously but wow! She stole the show. Audra MacDonald was wonderful, once I got past the fact that she was way too young for the role. I liked this Liesl better than Charmian Carr's, who always seemed much older than 16-going-on-17.

I hope NBC or other networks do more live theater performances in the future. Kudos to NBC for trying it.
 
She out-classes jerks on Twitter too:

https://twitter.com/audraequalitymc/status/409385809960517632



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Sadly, there were a lot of comments like that going around Twitter. Which means I can only imagine what those same idiots will be like when the remake of Annie comes out next year. :sad2:

The comment you quoted on Twitter is stated in a very unkind manner but it was still an extreme casting mistake to cast an African American in that position in Pre World War II Nazi controlled Austria. It is perfectly OK to have color blind casting in most situations but not when the casting makes a farce of a major plot line. If that society at that time had been open and tolerant enough for a young, black female to be in a position of high authority there would have been no need for the Von Traps to flee Hitler and the Nazis.

This opinion has nothing to with Annie. It is just as wrong for you to paint opinions that you don't agree with as racists. This casting mistake was not only historically wrong it, it messed with the story line of resisting the oppression and ethnic cleansing taking place at that time and in that place.
 
@ConservativeHippie - you have just given me flashbacks to my school days and singing "How Tedious & Tasteless The Hours" in informal competitions with my other soprano choir members to prove we could do it without taking a breath. . .

I will be singing that song under my breath ALL FLIPPIN' DAY.

Grumble grumble grumble.
 
I have to admit, I wondered if she was pregnant in one of her outfits - I think it was when she returned from her honeymoon and was talking to Leisl about telegrams and men.

It would explain why she was taking all those extra breaths in odd places.

I thought the same thing. I even said to my family that the skirt did not flatter her at all. It looked like she was pregnant!
 
The comment you quoted on Twitter is stated in a very unkind manner but it was still an extreme casting mistake to cast an African American in that position in Pre World War II Nazi controlled Austria. It is perfectly OK to have color blind casting in most situations but not when the casting makes a farce of a major plot line. If that society at that time had been open and tolerant enough for a young, black female to be in a position of high authority there would have been no need for the Von Traps to flee Hitler and the Nazis.

This opinion has nothing to with Annie. It is just as wrong for you to paint opinions that you don't agree with as racists. This casting mistake was not only historically wrong it, it messed with the story line of resisting the oppression and ethnic cleansing taking place at that time and in that place.

I'm not calling anyone a racist. I called someone on Twitter who actually sent that to the actress who played that role a jerk, which he/she is, because the comment was rude and unnecessary and he/she should keep his nasty comments to himself instead of badgering the performer with it. Audra McDonald handled the comment with class.

Non-traditional casting has been going on for decades, and it was long-overdue. It's a musical, not a history lesson...and if an actor or actress can knock the role out of the park, they should have the opportunity to play it. Broadway and opera do it, and no one bats an eye over it.

Casting a black actress as Mother Superior didn't matter one bit to the story. They weren't casting actual Austrians as the Von Trapps or making sure all of the nuns were Catholic, so making an issue over the color of an actress makes no difference when her race has nothing to do with anything her character does in the show. It's a musical where people dance and sing...'historical accuracy' goes out the window right there.

And if historical accuracy is so important to you, do you know how historically inaccurate The Sound of Music is? There were 10 Von Trapp children, not 7. Maria was never their governess, she was a tutor to one of the children and her marriage to the captain was essentially arranged by her church. The Captain was not the emotionally distant person at the beginning of the show, the real reason he used whistles was because their property was so big it was the only way to reach the children from the house when they were playing on the grounds. They'd been married 11 years when they left Austria - and they left by train, without a problem at all, telling folks they were headed to a concert booking in the US. There was no trekking over the mountains.

So the whole thing has always been a historically inaccurate, heavily romanticized version of the real story. And a musical, to boot. Getting hung up over the race of an actress as if it ruined the whole thing is just pretty silly.
 
I'm not calling anyone a racist. I called someone on Twitter who actually sent that to the actress who played that role a jerk, which he/she is, because the comment was rude and unnecessary and he/she should keep his nasty comments to himself instead of badgering the performer with it. Audra McDonald handled the comment with class.

Non-traditional casting has been going on for decades, and it was long-overdue. It's a musical, not a history lesson...and if an actor or actress can knock the role out of the park, they should have the opportunity to play it. Broadway and opera do it, and no one bats an eye over it.

Casting a black actress as Mother Superior didn't matter one bit to the story. They weren't casting actual Austrians as the Von Trapps or making sure all of the nuns were Catholic, so making an issue over the color of an actress makes no difference when her race has nothing to do with anything her character does in the show. It's a musical where people dance and sing...'historical accuracy' goes out the window right there.

And if historical accuracy is so important to you, do you know how historically inaccurate The Sound of Music is? There were 10 Von Trapp children, not 7. Maria was never their governess, she was a tutor to one of the children and her marriage to the captain was essentially arranged by her church. The Captain was not the emotionally distant person at the beginning of the show, the real reason he used whistles was because their property was so big it was the only way to reach the children from the house when they were playing on the grounds. They'd been married 11 years when they left Austria - and they left by train, without a problem at all, telling folks they were headed to a concert booking in the US. There was no trekking over the mountains.

So the whole thing has always been a historically inaccurate, heavily romanticized version of the real story. And a musical, to boot. Getting hung up over the race of an actress as if it ruined the whole thing is just pretty silly.

I don't need the lecture on smaller inaccuracies of the movie. And I am not hung up or silly. What is silly is to pretend that Nazi era Austria was racially tolerant. It was not.
 
I don't need the lecture on smaller inaccuracies of the movie. And I am not hung up or silly. What is silly is to pretend that Nazi era Austria was racially tolerant. It was not.

People in Nazi-era Austria also didn't burst into song at random either, but there you go. And I don't think anyone is pretending that Nazis were racially tolerant...even in this production we saw them yell at the children, threaten their family, corrupt a teenage boy, arrest Max, and disregard sanctuary by trespassing in the church - which we learn they've done several times before. Nothing about the Nazis in this production was softened or any less scary because there happened to be a black actress in the scene.

The point, not lecture, about the real Von Trapp family is that while The Sound of Music is set in a historical era and based on an actual family, many liberties were taken in telling the story, and that it's really a romanticized account of true events, many of which actually never happened at all. It's a wonderful musical (one of my favorites), but it's never been 'historically accurate'. Having a white actress in the role of Mother Superior wouldn't have changed that.

I'm never called you hung up or silly. I said the issue over race in this production was a silly thing to get hung up over. Clearly, we'll agree to disagree on the subject.
 
I thought the show was bad. Once in a while, there would be a glimmer of something good but that only emphasized that the rest was sooooo bad. The sets were awful, there seemed to be very awkward stage directions, the vocal coach should never work again. Don't even get me started on the vampire turned Austrian with an English accent. He can't even sing, why was HE cast? I really like Carrie Underwood but she was not good. She was stiff, her pronunciation of the Rogers and Hammerstein lyrics was awful; they're so sophisticated and she just chews the ends of words when she sings. This is fine, expected, in country or popular music but not Rogers and Hammerstein. There wasn't much redeeming about it, imho.
 
Exactly! The first time I saw Audra McDonald on Broadway was as Carrie in Carousel, a role that I'm pretty sure until then had been played by a white actress. She was amazing! Best part of the whole show and she won a Tony award for it - the first of her 5 Tonys, I think she has now. But Audra's so talented that she could have been cast as Captain Von Trapp and it still would have been amazing. :p Insisting on historical accuracy in a performance where nearly every character bursts into song is just silly. Bypassing an actor/actress who can knock a role out of the park solely on that actor's race is a disservice to them and the production, and thank goodness times have changed.

Completely agree! Audra McDonald transcends words. Climb Every Mountain left me speechless.

Beyond historical accuracy, I thought the production was bland. I was truly hoping to like it, but only ended up appreciating Audra McDonald and Laura Benanti. Not even Christian Borle rose to the occasion. I have no idea who would have been better in those roles. They should try again with Anne Hathaway and Hugh Jackman (not really).
 
The point is that racial, ethnic bias and worse were a central part of the plot of this story. Theatre is a visual art and visually Carrie Underwood at least looked the part (not addressing her acting ability). Audra Ncdonald was not believable no matter how well she sang. It would be just as distracting if one of the main leads in Motown, The Musical was cast as a white actress. This miscasting just messes with the story line.

And I thank God that the world is different now than the Nazi era and that many casting decisions are color blind. Just not when it messes with the main plot.

Racial, ethnic bias? At the convent? from the nuns?

I don't think so...
 
Racial, ethnic bias? At the convent? from the nuns?

I don't think so...

I don't know much about how the Catholic Church works, but I know priests can be moved to different parishes in different countries. I have a cousin who is a priest who spent time in Manila. I'm not sure if nuns work the same way. But if they do, having a black nun in Austria probably wasn't a big deal.

But, I do have a related story. Does everyone remember the Cinderella TV movie starring Brandi? 1997? Anyway, Prince Charming was Asian, his mother was black, and his father was white. That just didn't make any sense. It would be a stretch (an adopted son can be an actual prince?). Although it's is CINDERELLA, a fairy tale, so I guess it doesn't really matter.
 

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