Obamacare success stories please

[kerriburke]

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[KaLyn]

Our open enrollment papers came today from DH's employer. Our family of 4 will remain covered with absolutely no increase in rates, no increase in OOP deductibles, and no decrease in coverage. We are staying exactly the same, I am thrilled!!!

 

[Liberty Belle]

Our premium has not increased. The government is not paying for our insurance. Why do you assume that it is?

Ours hasn't gone up, either. We have insurance through my husband's employer.

 

[Katlyn]

We have Insurance through my husbands employer( he's retired now) and ours went up 135.00 a month. We were just happy we can keep it at least through 2014, but the increase does hurt in the budget.

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

This. For MANY families relying on SNAP to provide their ENTIRE food budget, a treat like cake or ice cream is very, very rare. Yes, there are people who manipulate the system. That doesn't mean we should throw the whole system out.

And this, again! I think, like the mythological "welfare queen" of the 1980s who was later discredited (the original example was shown to be apocryphal and far more difficult to find than the stories foretold) abuse of SNAP is far more rare than people think. Furthermore, and much more importantly, there is fraud and abuse everywhere, but only in SNAP and economic support to our most vulnerable population is the solution to shut down the program rather than prosecute the offenders and allow those following the rules to proceed. For example, using a very real example, in my industry (finance), and many (including me) might point out that WE caused the economic collapse through our "exuberance," we haven't seen the industry gutted just because of a few multi-billion dollar cases of fraud. Instead, the bad apples were arrested and the rest of us proceed essentially unchecked. I'd dare say we are causing more economic loss on our end than a couple of people who are abusing SNAP (and buying permitted foods is not abuse, BTW), so worry more about what your friendly neighborhood investment banker/private equity fund/commodities trader is doing and worry less about what card people are using to pay for their bag of chips.

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

It is being played out all over the world today. I'm not just talking about healthcare.

Last time I looked Europe isn't in that great a shape.

ACA right now is failing. The sign up/enrollment is low and the majority who are signing up are for Medicaid. And they won't be be paying into the plans.

ACA will then have two ways to go. it collapses or taxes will go up big time to support it.... And there is only so much money to go around...thus the government runs out of money. And where do they get the money... From us! The sad truth is nothing in this world is free. One way or another you end up paying for it....period.

Again, that is an easy sound bite to post, but the actual economics behind the issues are far, far, far more complicated than that.

Firstly, in fact, many economies in Europe are quite strong. Most of the issues came not from high taxation but from extremely poor decision making by governments and even moreso by the banks/economic generators. Those governments that didn't make the bad decisions did not see the same effects, regardless of debt. But you are correct in one thing, we don't have a spending problem, we have a revenue problem, and so the solution to that is more revenue.

By the way, there is not actually "only so much money to go around." Money is arbitrary and essentially limitless. Money, around the world, is backed by faith in the economy of the nation (or, in the case of the Euro, group of nations) issuing it, and it is literally otherwise fundamentally worthless, but for the commodity value of the component parts of the coin/bill*. Grow the faith reasonably and they money supply can grow, as well. The issue right now is people are undermining that faith for their own reasons (including many that are non- or apolitical, but that is an entirely different thread that basically exposes my industry for the shell game it is playing on the global population as well as the war against inflation that is punishing the less wealthy while benefiting those who have already accumulated significant wealth) and that is rippling throughout the global and national economies.

*And even if we were still tied to a gold standard, that is still arbitrary because now the economic value is tied to a commodity to which we have attached an arbitrary, not intrinsic, value.

 

[lauradis]

Again, that is an easy sound bite to post, but the actual economics behind the issues are far, far, far more complicated than that.

Firstly, in fact, many economies in Europe are quite strong. Most of the issues came not from high taxation but from extremely poor decision making by governments and even moreso by the banks/economic generators. Those governments that didn't make the bad decisions did not see the same effects, regardless of debt. But you are correct in one thing, we don't have a spending problem, we have a revenue problem, and so the solution to that is more revenue.

By the way, there is not actually "only so much money to go around." Money is arbitrary and essentially limitless. Money, around the world, is backed by faith in the economy of the nation (or, in the case of the Euro, group of nations) issuing it, and it is literally otherwise fundamentally worthless, but for the commodity value of the component parts of the coin/bill*. Grow the faith reasonably and they money supply can grow, as well. The issue right now is people are undermining that faith for their own reasons (including many that are non- or apolitical, but that is an entirely different thread that basically exposes my industry for the shell game it is playing on the global population as well as the war against inflation that is punishing the less wealthy while benefiting those who have already accumulated significant wealth) and that is rippling throughout the global and national economies.

*And even if we were still tied to a gold standard, that is still arbitrary because now the economic value is tied to a commodity to which we have attached an arbitrary, not intrinsic, value.

Yea Germany is trying world domination thru finances this time.

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

Yea Germany is trying world domination thru finances this time.

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you are trying to say. Could you explain it and provide some empirical evidence in support of your thesis?

 

[lauradis]

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you are trying to say. Could you explain it and provide some empirical evidence in support of your thesis?

Durning the world recession Germany has held a stronger GDP, lower unemployment, better trade levels. It was a haha joke, this is dis board after all intelligent conversations don't get read. Lol

 

[HeatherC]

We are now at 36 pages of posts and I have yet to see any success stories.

This whole thing is a debacle and is going to have a horrible impact on our country. I really believe all of us will suffer...whether you are rich or poor. The government is just not equipped to "manage" anything. All we have to do is turn on the tv to see how Washington has already failed us.

Whether you are in favor of Obamacare or not, people on both sides are finding out how much of a disaster it is. The people that could benefit from it can't even sign up for it and the people who were "promised" they could keep their insurance are now being dropped. It is a complete disaster and I don't think we have even begun to see all the implications yet.

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

Durning the world recession Germany has held a stronger GDP, lower unemployment, better trade levels. It was a haha joke, this is dis board after all intelligent conversations don't get read. Lol

Yes, you are absolutely correct about German's economy. And their top tax rates dwarf ours in this country (it is 45%, plus a VAT that can go as high as 19%). And they collect that revenue, drive it back into the public sector and build their economy even more strongly. They invest heavily in their schools, across the board, to produce better students in everything from engineering to the trades (why German engineering, from development to the actual building of projects is held in such high esteem). And, quite frankly, they have a lot of debt as a percentage of their GDP, as well.

Think back to the "roaring 1990s" in this country. Our taxes were higher and our economy was stronger. We were not running the deficits that we have been since 2000. That doesn't mean higher or lower taxes are automatically the correct answer, nor does it mean we don't need to look at all spending; from discretionary spending to "entitlement" spending (I find that term to be intentionally denigrating) to spending on national defense (something Germany spends very little on, as we've had bad experiences with a militarized Germany in the past so we tend to cover their military needs), we need to put everything on the table and come together as a nation. The solution to our revenue issues, however, cannot be borne solely by cutting SNAP, as that is like spitting into the ocean. There is simply not nearly enough meat there to bring things into line. The solution, instead, is multi-faceted and includes taking on less debt, which means spending less across the board and looking at every single "sacred cow", but it also means taking in more revenue to reduce our need to borrow, and most importantly it involves investing in our economy to grow our GDP.

And yes, I realize that complicated discussions don't play well on the Dis, or anywhere, but THAT is the problem. We are a nation of sound bites; the side with the best platitude wins. How do we solve that?

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

We are now at 36 pages of posts and I have yet to see any success stories.

This whole thing is a debacle and is going to have a horrible impact on our country. I really believe all of us will suffer...whether you are rich or poor. The government is just not equipped to "manage" anything. All we have to do is turn on the tv to see how Washington has already failed us.

Whether you are in favor of Obamacare or not, people on both sides are finding out how much of a disaster it is. The people that could benefit from it can't even sign up for it and the people who were "promised" they could keep their insurance are now being dropped. It is a complete disaster and I don't think we have even begun to see all the implications yet.

You should reread it, then, as there have been success stories posted. Unfortunately, however, it turns out this thread was never really about trying to identify true success stories.

 

[Muushka]

You should reread it, then, as there have been success stories posted. Unfortunately, however, it turns out this thread was never really about trying to identify true success stories.

Implying the OP (me) really didn't want success stories.
And that is where you would be wrong. I started this thread on October 3rd. The plan was off to a rocky start.
I saw the threads that were addressing bad experiences. I thought it would be good to hear some success stories.

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

Implying the OP (me) really didn't want success stories.
And that is where you would be wrong. I started this thread on October 3rd. The plan was off to a rocky start.
I saw the threads that were addressing bad experiences. I thought it would be good to hear some success stories.

So what did this mean?

Sorry. Sarcasm and thinly veiled innuendo is about all I can choke up. I don't want any more points.

Besides, this is the DIS, it's all about pixie dust, isn't it?

I don't sense sincerity in any of your posts, nor do I sense any support for the fact that there are successes. If I am mistaken, I apologize and perhaps you can clarify as well as acknowledge that there are those who are experiencing success. And perhaps stop posting what you acknowledge as sarcastic statements such as:

OK, then let's all assume that the new healthcare law is a complete thumbs up success!

And

It's going to be great.

Because I fail to see how any of that is actually constructive or actually helps address what I believe all of us see as an issue, i.e. the need to have accessible and affordable health care for all people.

 

[Muushka]

So what did this mean?



I don't sense sincerity in any of your posts, nor do I sense any support for the fact that there are successes. If I am mistaken, I apologize and perhaps you can clarify as well as acknowledge that there are those who are experiencing success. And perhaps stop posting what you acknowledge as sarcastic statements such as:



And



Because I fail to see how any of that is actually constructive or actually helps address what I believe all of us see as an issue, i.e. the need to have accessible and affordable health care for all people.

My my, busy guy!

The original intent of this thread was to hear success stories.

I think you and I are done now. Carry on.......

 

[chobie]

My my, busy guy!

The original intent of this thread was to hear success stories.

I think you and I are done now. Carry on.......

When the majority of your posts on these Obamacare threads are sarcastic, you can't really be surprised that people would doubt your sincerity.

 

[Poohbear5]

Would this be considered a success story?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...-registration-drive-prostitutes#ixzz2jPS9K3pI

 

[Robbi]

Geez, people we can't help it if the success stories are few and far between.

After being here for 1 year and having read varied posts from posters on this thread over the course of the year, I don't think anyone can throw rocks at glass houses regarding sarcastic comments.

 

[Katlyn]

Would this be considered a success story?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...-registration-drive-prostitutes#ixzz2jPS9K3pI

For them? I would say yes