Maleficent Dragon
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Avatar is barely a franchise... it's one movie
And many (me included) didn't even think it was a good movie.
Avatar is barely a franchise... it's one movie
And many (me included) didn't even think it was a good movie.
It wasn't...a visually impressive technical movie with very average character development and a completely predictable/bland plot.
I'm a fan of the technical development and design of the disney parks...that's why I'm here.
I like the look and the feel, the nuts and bolts...the history
So I'll just go ahead and say it:
I don't think what's left of Disney corporate and "imagineering" can take what is mediocre IP and build something top notch...
Does anybody else think so?
And...they seem to be too budget focused when it comes to WDW. Which is dumb because its where the money is made
why avatarland. so many other better films / worlds to chose from
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. So was Star Wars (aka..episode 4: A New Hope). Let's see...Farmer runs away from home after family killed...saves princess....becomes savior in battle against evil forces who kidnapped the princess... Oh! but it's all in SPACE!!
Yup.... Never seen that story before.
Honestly.... I'm keeping my hopes up they can pull it off. Between the patent we saw a couple years ago with the "interactive plants" developed by Disney, and the existing jungle-like overgrowth we've got in that area, I'm thinking they have the basics where they could pull something halfway decent off. As long as they have a halfway decent budget, give the Imagineers the freedom to do their job.....and Keep Rodhe away [and his ability to magically make large portions of attraction development budgets disappear].... Then I think they could pull something amazing off.
Now... I'm not really holding my breath that it would be anything like what we saw when they built EPCOT Center with the level of attractions we had at one time..... But I do think they could pull something off that's closer to "The Living Seas" instead of "The Seas with Nemo".
(Funny thing that made me laugh this weekend.... I Had a bit of nostalgia and looked up the pre-show movie from The Living Seas on Youtube. Someone mentioned they heard something that sounded very Disney, to which I replied instantly without thinking about it, "Yup, Sadly it's no longer there. It was Part of 'The Living Seas' before Disney killed it and just made it 'The Seas...WITH NEMO!'")
If you had bothered to read the thread, you might have an idea.
Tootall
I gotta call a technical foul on you for the comparison of 1977 to 2009...
But you know that's a false analogy. Not the plot line point...but the cultural setting.
All three lord of the rings were 5x better than avatar and they preceeded by years...as did two of the Nolan batman movies. Maybe not quite the same genre...but a good story is a good story no matter what colors the characters speaking it are.
There was no bar for Star Wars to meet...because it set the bar.
Avatar didnt... Honestly meet it or move it. It made cash from the "you gotta see it" crowd that forgot it before they hit the pillow that night.
And if you remember...it had one of the biggest periods of no competition that winter... There was nothing...you hadn't seen that very often for about 10 years before and may never see it again.
But anyway...you "hope" they can do something "decent"
But you don't believe it... Hence the tepid endorsement.
I'm right there... Hope...but have as little faith as possible on this. And a shame too... Animal kingdom needs top of the line just as much as DCA did and needs the draw way more than MK did...
But I don't see it.
And 1000% right about dippy Joe...he'll probably schedule trips to Venus to "immerse himself".
Sadly, he's gonna bring this one down too.
The guy has spent easy over 2 billion on that park and there is hardly anything there...
He must have pictures of Iger with some farm animal
i wish this debate would turn into where its going to be and how many attractions? this gets old...move on its ok
That's kinda up to Disney, isn't it?
Your think the entertainment juggernaut could maybe be a little more consistent, huh?
And not pump an elaborate section of mostly rehash in fantasyland for 5 years?
This is where I divert
From the "trust the mouse" and "how much can they do/spend crowd?"
The answers to those are "no... It hasn't been earned recently and companies that peddle "stuff" must meet that at all times... There is no breaks"
And
"A ton... They are squeezing consumers...gosh darn it... They really are". And " you don't have to buy it" plays right into their hooks
Just gonna say it. Just the way it is. Don't have to read it or care. But that Doesn't change the fundamental.
You should read jim hills article on avatar especially the comments section (maybe you have already) good read
I'm seriously not sure in which aspect you believe Star Wars created a bar with that first film that Avatar didn't really match? maybe length of time on a big screen? Avatar was available in theaters for much longer than most movies I can think of in recent history, in large part because of the fact the 3D effects were such a large part of its appeal for people...combined with the relatively low competition. Star Wars likely was available longer between re-release and discount theaters.... but it also came out in a time before the consumer home video market or hundreds of choices on cable or on demand made it much easier for someone to just wait out the initial theater run and catch it later at home.
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Here's a point to add-- In the 70's, if you wanted to see the movie, you had to see it in the theatres--- no waiting for it to come out on DVD. Maybe in 5 years it would be on channel 13... with anything violent or sexually suggestive removed, modified to fit the screen, and edited for time.
Consider the group who would rather watch the movies at home on DVD.
Next the 3d argument will come-- good point, but some have 3d televisions.
Tootall and Dave,
Im usually with you...but the argument avatar is anywhere close to as significant or successful as Star Wars from a cultural standpoint or even has what can be loosely hinted at staying power is just silly...
My opinion...we'll disagree.
Tootall and Dave,
Im usually with you...but the argument avatar is anywhere close to as significant or successful as Star Wars from a cultural standpoint or even has what can be loosely hinted at staying power is just silly...
My opinion...we'll disagree.
I wish I had thought of putting a rock in a cardboard box and selling them as pets. That was a dumb idea, right?
I'm not saying it is either-- however, it may be in the future-- possibly due to a collaboration. Everything has a beginning.
I wish I had thought of putting a rock in a cardboard box and selling them as pets. That was a dumb idea, right?