"RapidFill" RFID refillable mugs coming back resort wide...

[wdwfreak]

So people are upset that they won't be able to break the rules anymore? TS. If you don't like it, don't buy the mug. I'm glad they're doing this. We buy new mugs every time we go (or get new ones with the meal plan) and it bugs me when I see people filling 12 year old Wilderness Lodge mugs and milk cartons with beverages that they should be paying for.

You can justify it however you want, but if you didn't pay for the mug on your current visit and you're using an old one (or something else) to fill for free, YOU ARE STEALING.

Whatever Disney pays (or doesn't pay) for the syrup is beside the point. If you don't pay, you are stealing. Sorry, but that's it. Plain and simple.

 

[doconeill]

So people are upset that they won't be able to break the rules anymore? TS. If you don't like it, don't buy the mug. I'm glad they're doing this. We buy new mugs every time we go (or get new ones with the meal plan) and it bugs me when I see people filling 12 year old Wilderness Lodge mugs and milk cartons with beverages that they should be paying for.

You can justify it however you want, but if you didn't pay for the mug on your current visit and you're using an old one (or something else) to fill for free, YOU ARE STEALING.

Whatever Disney pays (or doesn't pay) for the syrup is beside the point. If you don't pay, you are stealing. Sorry, but that's it. Plain and simple.

Umm...no one here appears to be even trying to start that argument but you. The discussion on syrup, etc. is about the costs, and not about stealing, cheating or anything like that.

And some of those mugs you might see being filled were sold with lifetime refills...and thus aren't stealing.

Of course, those filling with unauthorized containers is a completely different story, and still not relevant to the discussion.

 

[wdwfreak]

Umm...no one here appears to be even trying to start that argument but you. The discussion on syrup, etc. is about the costs, and not about stealing, cheating or anything like that.

And some of those mugs you might see being filled were sold with lifetime refills...and thus aren't stealing.

Of course, those filling with unauthorized containers is a completely different story, and still not relevant to the discussion.

If you go back and reread the thread you'll see that the point has been brought up. So it is relevant, just maybe not to your points.

 

[doconeill]

Regardless, lets keep the stealing/entitlement rhetoric out of this thread, or the mods will shut it down rapidly.

This is about the tech being put in place, and it renders the argument moot regardless of what their intent really is.

 

[wdwfreak]

Regardless, lets keep the stealing/entitlement rhetoric out of this thread, or the mods will shut it down rapidly.

This is about the tech being put in place.

I don't agree with you, but if you believe the thread is in danger of being shut down, then I will drop the point.

 

[CelticHattress]

So this maybe a stupid question but I wanted to ask. If your trip is scheduled after July and the trip is already paid for, will you still owe since the price of the trip didn't include the increase on the mugs? Or will we have to pay more when we go to get them for the first time?

I do wish they would change the design. At least the colors for crying out loud.

~Celtic~

 

[doconeill]

I don't agree with you, but if you believe the thread is in danger of being shut down, then I will drop the point.

History of such threads, unfortunately.

So this maybe a stupid question but I wanted to ask. If your trip is scheduled after July and the trip is already paid for, will you still owe since the price of the trip didn't include the increase on the mugs? Or will we have to pay more when we go to get them for the first time?

I do wish they would change the design. At least the colors for crying out loud.

~Celtic~

If you've paid for a refillable mug as part of your package, or as part of the DDP, you should still get it without paying more.

 

[CuteAsMinnie]

Sooo glad we can survive on water.

 

[smitch425]

Have you seen some of the comments on the article. Some are really funny...like "Jeff" claiming to be from Disney Finance.



That's funny cause the "Jeff" says they are 20 oz. Maybe the new ones will be 20 oz?

Yeah I agree they need to decrease theft, but I wish they wouldn't increase the price so much. I'm just tired of the increased charges on everything every year. We're starting to think this might be our last year.

Jeff specifically said the mugs would remain at the current 16 ozs. The 20 ozs. he referred to was for the paper cup option. He seems to be very knowledgeable on the subject. Why are his comments "funny"? They look pretty informative to me.

 

[ImDisneyDreaming]

You'd think you'd at least be able to bring an old mug and reactivate it. At least I didn't see anything there that hinted at that. This probably sounds bad to some here, but now I don't feel bad for using the same mugs our past few trips. Being DVC members, this isn't that good of an investment given the distance to get refills, costs, and such. Looks like we'll become more frequent customers of the local Hess stations. Now... how long until we get RFID towels at the pools?

Oh gosh don't get me started on towels. We stay in the studios. So we are always short on towels. The ones by the pools always "magically" appear in our room. RFID towels would suck.

 

[ImDisneyDreaming]

Looking back it wasn't in the article, but in the response by "Jeff" who states he works in Disney finances and was in the know on this planning. He stated:

Your mug in conjunction with your MagicBand WILL allow you to access soda in the parks. But there is a lot of work that still needs to happen, and more fountain machines added before this can happen. So you can take your mug with you, and use it all day long. Until that happens, there will be no change to the current set up

This quote is what made me wonder if some of the new self-service soda dispensers were being put in now in preparation for the future use of refillable mugs.

Now that would be great. Especially during the summer.

 

[ImDisneyDreaming]

A lot of times I will fill my mug/cup, take a couple nice gulps because I'm thirsty and then refill it up to the top. I wonder how long they consider to be "one fill" or if I'll be locked out from my refill. I could also easily drink 12 oz of ice tea or diet soda (with ice) in less than 5 minutes and want a refill right away.

How about the times the syrup is out and you have to dump what is in the mug and get something else. What then? That would suck. I see the reasons why they may have a delay, but also see reasons not to have one.

 

[smitch425]

How about the times the syrup is out and you have to dump what is in the mug and get something else. What then? That would suck. I see the reasons why they may have a delay, but also see reasons not to have one.

If I am remembering correctly, during the test period at All Star Sports there were CMs nearby that could manually override the system if the drink was bad. It may be that they would just hand you an RFID paper cup in that instance rather than mess with resetting the machine itself.

 

[ImDisneyDreaming]

If I am remembering correctly, during the test period at All Star Sports there were CMs nearby that could manually override the system if the drink was bad. It may be that they would just hand you an RFID paper cup in that instance rather than mess with resetting the machine itself.

Well that would be good. I'm sure they will work out all the kinks.

 

[Kronk N Tink]

I've no problem with the RFID mugs, we buy new mugs every trip anyways.

Now we usually do have some of our old mugs around for the drive as well, which we've in the past used when we're situated further away from the main station to save a few steps (fill up 2 drinks per person so we don't have to walk back and forth), unfortunate that option has to go away due to people abusing the system. We'll continue to grab new mugs every trip tho it's still a good deal if you spend any time at your resort which we try to.

Even for a 7 day trip you're looking at unlimited drinks for $2.57 per day, about half the cost of 1 drink at a movie theater.

 

[EAWildman]

OK, so while I intially didn't like the idea of RFID chips in my refillable mugs or cups, I think it provides Disney a solution to a multitude of problems.

My family's problem with the refillable mug program was that we are annual passholders taking 4-6 small (3-5 day) trips per year. I could not justify buying 4-6 sets of mugs per year. However, I could justify buying one set of mugs per year and using them on multiple visits to get our monies worth out of them.

Why can't Disney offer a Annual Pass level to their mug pricing plan? They could simply set the mug to expire on your annual pass experation date. I am not sure what a refillable mug like that would price out at, but it would be a great option for us Annual Passholders.

I am hoping that such an option will be adopted in future phases of this program. Along with getting refills in the parks.

We feel the same way about Photopass, by the way. It would be great to have an Annual Pass option where you could collect photos thru the year and buy one CD. But that's off topic!

Eric

 

[doconeill]

OK, so while I intially didn't like the idea of RFID chips in my refillable mugs or cups, I think it provides Disney a solution to a multitude of problems.

My family's problem with the refillable mug program was that we are annual passholders taking 4-6 small (3-5 day) trips per year. I could not justify buying 4-6 sets of mugs per year. However, I could justify buying one set of mugs per year and using them on multiple visits to get our monies worth out of them.

Why can't Disney offer a Annual Pass level to their mug pricing plan? They could simply set the mug to expire on your annual pass experation date. I am not sure what a refillable mug like that would price out at, but it would be a great option for us Annual Passholders.

I am hoping that such an option will be adopted in future phases of this program. Along with getting refills in the parks.

We feel the same way about Photopass, by the way. It would be great to have an Annual Pass option where you could collect photos thru the year and buy one CD. But that's off topic!

Eric

I can't see an "AP option" for refillable mugs...the problem is that different people would get different levels of value...frequent visitors would get more value than those who get them for just a couple trips.

Perhaps something like an "X-day No Expiration" option.

But the other strike against appears to be that they DO NOT WANT old mugs used, for whatever reason they have.

 

[going/again]

The "length of stay" is good for 14 consecutive days and all mugs can be used at any resort. So as long as the trip is 14 days or less, there won't be a problem with split stays.

For more than 14 days, perhaps they'll have to issue a new mug or something like that. Probably not a seamless process but not a terrible inconvenience over such a long stay. Brief stop at the front desk.

We go for 25 days so length of stay is not length of stay at all

 

[tjkraz]

We go for 25 days so length of stay is not length of stay at all

The information posted here states that $17.99 is the price for any length of stay. What isn't clearly communicated here is how stays longer than 14 days will be handled.

By default, all length of stay mugs will be coded to expire in 14 days. I would say the logical options for a longer stay are:

1) Code it for more than 14 days at issuance.
2) Require the guest to stop at front desk on Day 15 to have the RFID chip re-enabled.
3) Require the guest to claim a new mug on Day 15.

Regardless of which administrative approach Disney uses, the fee is still $17.99 one time for any length of stay.

 

[EAWildman]

I can't see an "AP option" for refillable mugs...the problem is that different people would get different levels of value...frequent visitors would get more value than those who get them for just a couple trips.

Well, the same is true for annual passes in general right? If I use my Annual Pass 25 times a year, I get more "value" than the person who uses their Annual Pass just 15 times a year.

I figure they would price an Annual Pass refillable mug at a high enough price where it would make someone who knew they were only coming once or twice decide not to get it. Then Disney would have to decide if there would be demand for such a product.

I think it would be worth offering...I would get one right away!

Eric