Does anyone have an Avatarland update??

[ToddS]

Licensing Avatar -- and putting up with the notoriously difficult James Cameron -- makes no sense to me now that Disney owns the Star Wars franchise. My hope is that the Avatar project is killed and that those resources go into a major Star Wars expansion. They'll go much further there, and I would have to guess the ROI would be MUCH better as well. I just don't think that Avatar would inspire the passion (or the willingness to part with dollars) among parkgoers that Star Wars would.

 

[dairylives]

Licensing Avatar -- and putting up with the notoriously difficult James Cameron -- makes no sense to me now that Disney owns the Star Wars franchise. My hope is that the Avatar project is killed and that those resources go into a major Star Wars expansion. They'll go much further there, and I would have to guess the ROI would be MUCH better as well. I just don't think that Avatar would inspire the passion (or the willingness to part with dollars) among parkgoers that Star Wars would.

get ready for the apologists. You forget you're not allowed to have an opinion about this expansion because "glowing plants will be cool".

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

Thanks! They need to change the name of this thread to "star wars fans who are jealous of avatar land"

~LOL. Agreed -- and honestly, they should be grateful! If it weren't for Avatarland there would be *no* chance for a Star Wars Land. Disney was able to leverage Avatar against Star Wars as a bargaining tool forcing Lucas down to a negotiable price. Lucas would have never sold Star Wars if it weren't for Avatarland. It's a win-win for everyone & we get to enjoy both!

I am not a star wars fan nor an avatar fan. I am a fan of added attractions in the parks. I think the avatar expansion will be great, and I hope there will be a star wars expansion even though I couldn't care less about the movies. And a cars land, and any other that the powers that be deem profitable.

~Yes! Precisely this!

I am just wondering when we will see concept art for avatarland, I am sure this project will be amazing

~Oh gosh -- I can't wait!

Me too-- and I hope after all this defending they don't disappoint.

~I don't think they will. If Disney tries to justify more clammobiles and cutouts James Cameron will just flip. Seriously, Disney Imagineers and James Cameron's team working together has such enormous potential. I can't wait for Avatarland, it's going to be fabulous!
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[dairylives]

Man, you guys are getting desperate with this Avatar defense.

Anyways DRDISNEYMD, do you have a source for the use of Avatarland as leverage against Lucas? this is the first I've heard of it.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

Man, you guys are getting desperate with this Avatar defense.

Anyways DRDISNEYMD, do you have a source for the use of Avatarland as leverage against Lucas? this is the first I've heard of it.

~Disney had been unsuccessful in their previous attempts to acquire the Lucas IP for decades on end. Lucas wouldn't budge, he didn't have to. The Star Wars franchise is worth over 30 Billion, he let it go for a fraction of that, just before Avatarland construction. You don't need a "source" to figure that out -- I'm an astute observer, that's all.

~Oh, and I think "you guys" are more desperate. I can't find one thread on this entire board without someone bemoaning Avatarland -- it makes me love it that much more!

 

[dairylives]

~Disney had been unsuccessful in their previous attempts to acquire the Lucas IP for decades on end. Lucas wouldn't budge, he didn't have to. The Star Wars franchise is worth over 30 Billion, he let it go for a fraction of that, just before Avatarland construction. You don't need a "source" to figure that out -- I'm an astute observer, that's all.

~Oh, and I think "you guys" are more desperate. I can't find one thread on this entire board without someone bemoaning Avatarland -- it makes me love it that much more!

That doesn't really make any sense whatsoever, and really doesn't sync up with a lot of what Lucas has been saying/ people within Lucasfilm have been saying.

You're implying that Lucas was intimidated by Avatarland that he was so desperate as to give up his IPs as a last ditch effort to.....what exactly? How would he benefit?

I just find it completely sad that you "defenders" feel the need to pretend like a dead IP with almost no fanbase is viable because "it could make a cool-looking land". You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but there are obviously a lot of people that actively dislike Avatar, and that opinion is also valid.

 

[twebber55]

That doesn't really make any sense whatsoever, and really doesn't sync up with a lot of what Lucas has been saying/ people within Lucasfilm have been saying.

You're implying that Lucas was intimidated by Avatarland that he was so desperate as to give up his IPs as a last ditch effort to.....what exactly? How would he benefit?

I just find it completely sad that you "defenders" feel the need to pretend like a dead IP with almost no fanbase is viable because "it could make a cool-looking land". You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but there are obviously a lot of people that actively dislike Avatar, and that opinion is also valid.

Defending with facts by the way not i dont like it so it must suck theory lol

 

[dairylives]

Defending with facts by the way not i dont like it so it must suck theory lol

The facts? There aren't really many "facts" to be had in this debate. If any side has a point based in anything other than opinion its the side citing the idea that Avatar is a dead IP, and that Cameron isn't easy to work with. At the end of the day,its essentially down to whether you like it or not.

One side says: "wait and see" "I like Avatar, so i look forward to this" or "I trust Disney, this will at least look nice (or provide a quality ride)" among other things.

The other side says : " Avatar never had the impact that the studio hoped" "The IP is dead, without a sequel on the horizon" "there isn't a fanbase for this" "the movie was crappy" among other things.

Both sides have some decent points, and both sides have terrible points. At this point though, its getting a lot harder to defend the project considering the state of the IP, and the surplus of IPs available for theme park translation that don't have the insane amount of baggage this project seems to have.

I do indeed concede, as a "hater", that the vistas found in Avatar could prove to be pretty and could provide some very interesting and quality rides (after all, Disney does indeed have a good track record). At the end of the day though, as far as my opinion goes, i in fact do not like Avatar, and, to me, it does indeed "suck". That is a personal truth i will hold onto, as do many moviegoers and park fans.

My amusement in this thread is that now the defenders are resorting to pinning this on Star Wars fans, as if its even comparable as a viable franchise for theme parks, or that either franchises have anything to do with each other . For god's sakes look at DRDISNEYMD, she's going as far as saying that somehow Avatar has something to do with Disney's purchase of Lucasfilm

To make a long story short, I haven't really seen a lot of "facts" beyond " the movie made money" and "Disney has a good track record". Feel free to throw me some more facts, preferably with more punctuation though.

 

[twebber55]

The facts? There aren't really many "facts" to be had in this debate. If any side has a point based in anything other than opinion its the side citing the idea that Avatar is a dead IP, and that Cameron isn't easy to work with. At the end of the day,its essentially down to whether you like it or not.

One side says: "wait and see" "I like Avatar, so i look forward to this" or "I trust Disney, this will at least look nice (or provide a quality ride)" among other things.

The other side says : " Avatar never had the impact that the studio hoped" "The IP is dead, without a sequel on the horizon" "there isn't a fanbase for this" "the movie was crappy" among other things.

Both sides have some decent points, and both sides have terrible points. At this point though, its getting a lot harder to defend the project considering the state of the IP, and the surplus of IPs available for theme park translation that don't have the insane amount of baggage this project seems to have.

I do indeed concede, as a "hater", that the vistas found in Avatar could prove to be pretty and could provide some very interesting and quality rides (after all, Disney does indeed have a good track record). At the end of the day though, as far as my opinion goes, i in fact do not like Avatar, and, to me, it does indeed "suck". That is a personal truth i will hold onto, as do many moviegoers and park fans.

My amusement in this thread is that now the defenders are resorting to pinning this on Star Wars fans, as if its even comparable as a viable franchise for theme parks, or that either franchises have anything to do with each other . For god's sakes look at DRDISNEYMD, she's going as far as saying that somehow Avatar has something to do with Disney's purchase of Lucasfilm

To make a long story short, I haven't really seen a lot of "facts" beyond " the movie made money" and "Disney has a good track record". Feel free to throw me some more facts, preferably with more punctuation though.

Please refer back to my links listed there you will find facts on its popularity

This argument reminds me of my kids not wanting to try new foods. They say i hate it before they ever try it. Same thing here people hate it before it was made

I suggest try it when it opens and then let us know what you think

 

[twebber55]

The facts? There aren't really many "facts" to be had in this debate. If any side has a point based in anything other than opinion its the side citing the idea that Avatar is a dead IP, and that Cameron isn't easy to work with. At the end of the day,its essentially down to whether you like it or not.

One side says: "wait and see" "I like Avatar, so i look forward to this" or "I trust Disney, this will at least look nice (or provide a quality ride)" among other things.

The other side says : " Avatar never had the impact that the studio hoped" "The IP is dead, without a sequel on the horizon" "there isn't a fanbase for this" "the movie was crappy" among other things.

Both sides have some decent points, and both sides have terrible points. At this point though, its getting a lot harder to defend the project considering the state of the IP, and the surplus of IPs available for theme park translation that don't have the insane amount of baggage this project seems to have.

I do indeed concede, as a "hater", that the vistas found in Avatar could prove to be pretty and could provide some very interesting and quality rides (after all, Disney does indeed have a good track record). At the end of the day though, as far as my opinion goes, i in fact do not like Avatar, and, to me, it does indeed "suck". That is a personal truth i will hold onto, as do many moviegoers and park fans.

My amusement in this thread is that now the defenders are resorting to pinning this on Star Wars fans, as if its even comparable as a viable franchise for theme parks, or that either franchises have anything to do with each other . For god's sakes look at DRDISNEYMD, she's going as far as saying that somehow Avatar has something to do with Disney's purchase of Lucasfilm

To make a long story short, I haven't really seen a lot of "facts" beyond " the movie made money" and "Disney has a good track record". Feel free to throw me some more facts, preferably with more punctuation though.

I ve never mentioned star wars btw

 

[twebber55]

very well spoken although everything you ve stated is YOUR opinion we (or at least i have given facts as to why avatar has been and is popular)

http://screenrant.com/avatar-blu-ray-sales-record-ross-55782/
http://www.deadline.com/2010/05/19-7-million-avatar-blu-ray-dvds-sold/
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avatar/
plus the 40 000 000 face book fans

two current films used advertising comparing themselves to avatar (the croods and life of pi)

9 academy award nominations with 3 wins

what kills me is people who dont like the movie gloss over real facts because of their frame of reference

the good news is besides the fact that it was a good movie if you didnt like the movie you can still enjoy the attraction if done properly
cars land, tron, TOT can all be great rides/lands based on the quality of theming...eye candy matters

the one point against avatar that lockedout has brought up is merchandising which is a good point..ill just say it s not really a kids movie and doesnt lend itself to toys in store, but its not like we wil go to th eavatar land and say man the rides were great the theming was incredible but i hated the tee shirts and shot glasses they sold

not every franchise is star wars or harry potter it doesnt mean it cant be a great land and ill bet anyone here if this is a full blown land with multiple attractions with floating mountains and bioluminescent flora and fauna you will see at least a 10% increase in attendance at DAK its first year

Here are my facts.....

I hope we see more star wars stuff btw

 

[dairylives]

Please refer back to my links listed there you will find facts on its popularity

This argument reminds me of my kids not wanting to try new foods. They say i hate it before they ever try it. Same thing here people hate it before it was made

I suggest try it when it opens and then let us know what you think

popularity and profit are entirely different things. Numbers are mostly irrelevant. What the reality is here is that we have a franchise with no future to be seen, almost no fanbase, and a very difficult owner. As i said, I'm sure it will be fancy and pretty, but its viability as a theme park attraction is not very high. This is just a reality.

Unfortunately for you though, this is a discussion board. Since i can't just "try it out" at the moment, I am free to express my opinions based on the poor quality of the franchise.

I've tried the Avatar "food", and i don't care for it.

 

[twebber55]

popularity and profit are entirely different things. Numbers are mostly irrelevant. What the reality is here is that we have a franchise with no future to be seen, almost no fanbase, and a very difficult owner. As i said, I'm sure it will be fancy and pretty, but its viability as a theme park attraction is not very high. This is just a reality.

Unfortunately for you though, this is a discussion board. Since i can't just "try it out" at the moment, I am free to express my opinions based on the poor quality of the franchise.

I've tried the Avatar "food", and i don't care for it.

You havent tried avatar because they havent made the land yet

 

[dairylives]

Here are my facts.....

I hope we see more star wars stuff btw

fanbase does not equal profit, unfortunately. Big Momma's House 2 was one of the most successful movies of 2006, but i don't particularly think that the numbers translate into a vivid fanbase.

The hard truth of this is, and its been quite a big issue within the sci-fi community, is that Avatar was a flash in the pan, and has simply not maintained a fandom that was expected. Ask any film buff, sci fi fan, or someone that simply attends pop-culture events. This is all anecdotal, sure, but its as valid as presuming that simple box office results equal longevity.

 

[dairylives]

You havent tried avatar because they havent made the land yet

good observation.

 

[twebber55]

fanbase does not equal profit, unfortunately. Big Momma's House 2 was one of the most successful movies of 2006, but i don't particularly think that the numbers translate into a vivid fanbase.

The hard truth of this is, and its been quite a big issue within the sci-fi community, is that Avatar was a flash in the pan, and has simply not maintained a fandom that was expected. Ask any film buff, sci fi fan, or someone that simply attends pop-culture events. This is all anecdotal, sure, but its as valid as presuming that simple box office results equal longevity.

Haunted mansion was a terrible movie it must be a terrible ride

Twilight zone is super cheezy TOT must be a bad ride

Cars was decent RSR must be average

Whether you like the movie or not the land may be entertaining to you

 

[twebber55]

good observation.

I know right

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

Defending with facts by the way not i dont like it so it must suck theory lol

~LOL!!!

I know right

~OMG! twebber55, you are *SO* smart. I wish I had your genius & super power gift for brevity. You destroy those huge pedantic posts in three words or less. That's fabulous.

~I can't wait for more updates on Avatarland!!!

 

[twebber55]

~LOL!!!

~OMG! twebber55, you are *SO* smart. I wish I had your genius & super power gift for brevity. You destroy those huge pedantic posts in three words or less. That's fabulous.

~I can't wait for more updates on Avatarland!!!

read on magic that the main e ticket will be called Flight of Passage and that we are now looking at two rides plus other stuff...hopefully at d23 we get more details..maybe sooner

 

[beer dave]

read on magic that the main e ticket will be called Flight of Passage and that we are now looking a two rides plus other stuff...

That is great! Thanks for the update! What an excellent plan! Can't wait for the next update. After all, that is why I am on this thread!