lockedoutlogic
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- Apr 26, 2007
ok and okfirst i just want to say these are fun but really pointless arguments...nobody knows for sure what will happen but ill counter a couple of your points
who said anything about star tours? Star Tours is TERRIBLE. It is and always has been a pathetic use of that material. the 1980's "caravan on a sitck" motion simulators were so uninteresting that they have been removed from practically every other place on earth about 20 years ago...star tours might be the last ones.Star wars (maybe the best franchise of all time has the 4th most popular ride in DHS...after the refurb the first day it had a 30 minute wait so IP isnt necessarily the most important thing here
star wars is a case of taking a "good" property (pre-phantom movie) and not being good enough from an imagineering side to get it done.
Second, there have now been two movies that have come out that compare themselves to avatar while advertising if avatar didnt matter this wouold not be the case
ok..which two? for comparison purposes...
thirdly there are tons of web sites out there for avatar literally..people went into a depression because they couldnt visit pandora
there are tons of websites for EVERYTHING!!! If you punch in "howard the duck" you get 11.7 million hits.
fourth regardless what you deem a good "fit" the powers that be seem to think so... i mean the entire message of the movie is about conservation and living with harmony with nature...this just in it wasn't about space aliens and humans fighting
i give avatar some leeway here. the theme can definitely fit in AK. but as stated 1000 times over...depends on how they try to do it.
i (along with others) have given FACTS about its popularity 2.8 billion gross 9 academy award nominations 3 wins, comparisons to other movies, high scores on rotten tomatoes etc i too have yet to hear a reason thats valid and can be proven as fact as to why it shouldnt be built other than "i hated the movie its a dumb idea" or "its not worthy of an attraction" both of which typically comes from people who didnt like the movie... thats fine i didnt like the mummy but its a great attraction, the simpsons i cant stand but the ride is fun, twilight zone was cheesy yet its one of disney s great rides
are we just gonna ignore the broader context? nobody has questions box office sales...and nobody cares about academy award wins. red herring.
If disney was going to build "Slumdog Millionaire: Live on Stage" at the studios...would you be quoting the oscar resume?
but you mentioned the simpsons...which i hate. They have been licensed over their history at more than 9 billion worth of sales. That's along time but still more than 200 mil per year.
Disney princesses last year grossed 3 billion worldwide and 1.6 in the US
Star Wars was number 2 with 1.6 billion (after ten years of virtual crap being thrown at everyone)
the others in the top 20? Toy Story, Cars, Hello Kitty, Pooh, Spiderman, Batman, Dora, Barbie, WWE, Peanuts, Sesame Street, Mickey and Friends (disney now owns the entire top five with the purchase of lucasfilm) spongebob, angry birds, blah blah blah
In 2010...the year following the late 2009 release of Avatar...here was the top ten (in millions):
1. Disney Princess -- Disney -- $1,725
2. Star Wars & The Clone Wars -- LucasFilm -- $1,415
3. Pooh -- Disney -- $1,100
4. Toy Story -- Disney/Pixar -- $915
5. Cars -- Disney/Pixar -- $810
6. Hello Kitty -- Sanrio -- $750
7. Mickey & Friends -- Disney -- $725
8. Peanuts -- Peanuts Worldwide/Iconix -- $660
9. Sesame Street -- Sesame Workshop -- $525
10. WWE -- WWE -- $520
ok...not the "avatar" type crowd by and large...most geared more towards the young kid market...with some exceptions...but i dug up what avatars license figure was for 2010...wanna guess?
153 million...that was THE year of its release and biggest impact.
now...i'm not saying we can draw any conclusions from this (it doesn't need to be said )...but what would matter for disney in the longrun - year upon year billion dollar retails sales?...OR one big six month period in the Winter of '09?
obviously they want to build the Avatar thing for probably a varieties of reasons...but its not a "score" franchise and has displayed no legs.
but again...you have to look deeper than box office to play in this game. just like you have to look deeper into AK's gate attendance numbers. apples and apples.
It's possible. Though the situation is a little different. DCA was in crisis and carsland - while the key component - was part of a pretty massive overhaul. And Disneyland's core clientele has always been the "weekender/AP" type customer and they desperately wanted a decent second park. WDW does NOT have a discerning/demanding clientele that asks for return on their out of pocket purchases...never have and probably never will. Two very different subsets on the Coasts. But as far as avatar goes there are possibilities.i think it compares favorably to Cars and cars land... if its done right it will be successful like cars land if its not given a proper budget than maybe not all we can do now is wait and see what it is
okayi suggest we all keep an open mind and actually see it first before we judge...anyway im done on this its pointless