FP + What we know and what we want to know

[Lorilais_mommie]

To begin with, offsite guests will operate business-as-usual. At some later date, they will be able to convert to RFID. This is going to take time and done in stages. How "optional" it will be remains to be seen, but I'm betting at some point, it will not be optional at all.

You are REALLY jumping the gun. NO ONE can do it yet. It is not live, and we don't know exactly when it will be. And when it starts, it will likely be limited to guests staying at a certain resort, and possibly only those with packages, and then increase the audience as it goes on. Some are saying it can be up to a year.

I didn't want to book FP+ yet.... I know it's not up yet..

Others have been able to pull up the button and FP+ info on the app...
I would really like to read through it myself.. However I still have not be able to find what they have been talking about..

I'm not sure if this is b/c they have packages booked? Or within 60days of their trips...

It seems some can pull it up and some can't... I just wanted the treks and conditions others have be reading through direct from disney.... That's all...

 

[BeccaG]

Yes, that's what I was referring to - years ago when CRT was the only princess game in town - it was crazy - and stressful - but when I think of facing a 'start' time for every major ride FP+ months in advance of my trip, I can't imagine. Oh well, we'll see.

I'm thinking it will work like ADRs now where it's check in days plus 10.... Or is that not the case for sure? Trust me I'm with you, a bit nervous about feeling over planned, but the more I read I'm gaining hope you that perhaps this is gonna work.

On a, side note when fast pass was first introduced what was the Internet reaction? I know, it was a much different Internet then but I am sure some folks had something to say!

 

[mousermerf]

Some points of clarification..

"FP+ is included with theme park admission" - Disney.

Everyone with a park ticket gets access to FP+. It's just a matter of "having a park ticket" to make reservations in advance prior to entering the park. APs have their info on file, Resort guests have reservations with tickets, and anyone else can enter "up to 5" regular tickets into the online system.

You have to use the right ticket for the right day though, mind you. Though presumably they all combine into one under your new RFID card or band.

And yes, the reference to offsite guests paying is that they can buy a MagicBand, but will only get a card/ticket by default. AP, Resort Guests, Photopass+ guests get bands for free.

 

[dadddio]

Basically, are the rides/attractions currently at their maximum capacity? Could changes be made to increase capacity. Especially in experiences that could easily be modified like TSMM or Soaring by just decreasing the length of time of these.

Do you foresee them shortening some of the attractions to put more people through the attraction?

I think that it's more likely for them to work on efficiencies in getting guests on and off the rides than reducing the length of rides. Of course, it's super unlikely that this isn't something that is looked at often.

 

[doconeill]

I didn't want to book FP+ yet.... I know it's not up yet..

Others have been able to pull up the button and FP+ info on the app...
I would really like to read through it myself.. However I still have not be able to find what they have been talking about..

I'm not sure if this is b/c they have packages booked? Or within 60days of their trips...

It seems some can pull it up and some can't... I just wanted the treks and conditions others have be reading through direct from disney.... That's all...

There were reports that the iOS app (NOT the Android app) had a FastPass+ button when looking at the attractions, but it didn't work (called up a error screen or something). No one can book anything yet.

The Terms and Conditions are available on the main web site. Go to My Disney Experience, and then down the bottom, somewhere on the right I believe it was...

 

[Robo]

Thanks for the response.

1- So on Space Mountain and TSM, they couldnt add more ride vehicles on the track? And the other mountains? no more room to add more ride vehicles on track?

2- Would people actually notice if they shaved some small amount of time from a ride like the amount of time you get to spend at each station in TSMM?

Seems they could make small variances on timed attractions that could have a net result of increasing capacity that would go virtually unnoticed by a majority of the park guests especially those that do not make frequent visits.

1- I'd never say "couldn't," but logically they have already maxed-out the "E-ticket" attractions due to their super popularity.

And, on coasters, there is a limit of vehicles due to safety issues.

2- Maybe not, but to actually make enough difference to "matter"
a few seconds cut wouldn't accomplish what was needed.

 

[mom2rtk]

Sure, they could.
But, why would they want to?

If the FP+ system is to be successful, they have to make as many desirable FP+ positions available as possible.

Otherwise, what's all the hype about?

And now introducing....... drum roll please...........

Disney's brand new "Not-Quite-as-Slow" Pass.

 

[Lorilais_mommie]

Some points of clarification..

"FP+ is included with theme park admission" - Disney.

Everyone with a park ticket gets access to FP+. It's just a matter of "having a park ticket" to make reservations in advance prior to entering the park. APs have their info on file, Resort guests have reservations with tickets, and anyone else can enter "up to 5" regular tickets into the online system.

You have to use the right ticket for the right day though, mind you. Though presumably they all combine into one under your new RFID card or band.

And yes, the reference to offsite guests paying is that they can buy a MagicBand, but will only get a card/ticket by default. AP, Resort Guests, Photopass+ guests get bands for free.

What about people who buy AP at stores?
You don't get a regular AP pass.. You get a voucher, which upon arriving at the parks you can exchange for a AP pass..

 

[mom2rtk]

Changing Soarin' is a bit difficult due to the film itself. It would require an edit of the film, which would be expensive.

Maybe they could just clip out all the segments with black "floaters" on screen. That should speed things up substantially.

 

[Robo]

Maybe they could just clip out all the segments with black "floaters" on screen. That should speed things up substantially.

They could just put up a 35mm slide that said, "Thanks for Soarin' with us today!"
Then, lower the seats and send guests on their way.

 

[fallen_angel727]

SO how long do you all think it will take to phase out current paper FPs? I'm assuming it would take some time and they'll still be available when we get there at the end of may so I don't need to worry myself with this??

 

[doconeill]

Thanks for the response.

So on Space Mountain and TSM, they couldnt add more ride vehicles on the track? And the other mountains? no more room to add more ride vehicles on track?

There are certain limits to how many vehicles such systems support safely - and it's a good bet that unless they've had to remove vehicles for mechanical reasons, they are already at that capacity.

Would people actually notice if they shaved some small amount of time from a ride like the amount of time you get to spend at each station in TSMM?

Not necessarily with each increment, but then eventually someone will realize that overall it's been shortened quite a bit. And as I mentioned in a previous post...how much does that save you? TSM isn't the largest capacity attraction to begin with, which is part of it's problem.

 

[doconeill]

What about people who buy AP at stores?
You don't get a regular AP pass.. You get a voucher, which upon arriving at the parks you can exchange for a AP pass..

Vouchers have ticket info on them that can be used.

 

[mousermerf]

I think that it's more likely for them to work on efficiencies in getting guests on and off the rides than reducing the length of rides. Of course, it's super unlikely that this isn't something that is looked at often.

Several attractions have been speed up by a few seconds - Pirates, Test Track, etc.. There was an article on this recently. A few seconds each hour means hundreds to thousands of guests per hour. There was an article on it recently - it's why Country bear Jamboree is shorter.

 

[doconeill]

Several attractions have been speed up by a few seconds - Pirates, Test Track, etc.. There was an article on this recently. A few seconds each hour means hundreds to thousands of guests per hour. There was an article on it recently - it's why Country bear Jamboree is shorter.

I think you mean hundreds to thousands of guests per "day". But it all depends on what the load rates and cycle times are to begin with. It's better with something that works with a large number of people per cycle, because if you can shave enough seconds off to add an extra cycle, you get a large jump in capacity.

 

[UNCFanatik]

There are certain limits to how many vehicles such systems support safely - and it's a good bet that unless they've had to remove vehicles for mechanical reasons, they are already at that capacity.



Not necessarily with each increment, but then eventually someone will realize that overall it's been shortened quite a bit. And as I mentioned in a previous post...how much does that save you? TSM isn't the largest capacity attraction to begin with, which is part of it's problem.

My larger question was if the rides are already at maximum capacity? People were asserting that ride capacity could not be increased. Was curious if this was merely conjecture of a matter or certainty

 

[Lorilais_mommie]

Several attractions have been speed up by a few seconds - Pirates, Test Track, etc.. There was an article on this recently. A few seconds each hour means hundreds to thousands of guests per hour. There was an article on it recently - it's why Country bear Jamboree is shorter.

At DL they complete go rid of it... SAVED LOTS of time for us!! ;-)
Was / still not a big fan of this show, yet there is always at least one person in my group that has to see it!

I don't know if you all remember " A goofy movie" but every time I get dragged to see this show I feel like max....

 

[dadddio]

Obviously, the number of 'advance' FPs will reduce the number of total FPs available, but this doesn't mean that same-day FPs won't be offered.


They could, for instance, hold back a certain percentage of FPs for same-day use. They could even stagger when those were made available throughout the day, if they wished.

Sure, they could.
But, why would they want to?

If the FP+ system is to be successful, they have to make as many desirable FP+ positions available as possible.

Otherwise, what's all the hype about?

Actually, by staggering the amount of FP+s that are released in advance and holding some until same-day, two things would happen:

1. The very same number of desirable FP+ positions would be made available, and
2. These fastpasses would still be available beyond 60 days prior, allowing more people to benefit from FP+. This would, therefore, increase FP+ satisfaction, especially among the important 'passholder' and 'local, non-tourist' groups.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Several attractions have been speed up by a few seconds - Pirates, Test Track, etc.. There was an article on this recently. A few seconds each hour means hundreds to thousands of guests per hour. There was an article on it recently - it's why Country bear Jamboree is shorter.

Thanks for the info. I see there have been measures to increase ride capacity and that more maybe possible.

 

[doconeill]

My larger question was if the rides are already at maximum capacity? People were asserting that ride capacity could not be increased. Was curious if this was merely conjecture or a matter or certainty

If Disney is running attractions with variable capacity at less than maximum at peak times, then they are not doing anything to keep the guests out of the lines they so desperately want them to not be in.

The only reason they'd do that otherwise is to save on maintenance - i.e, they only run 1 concourse out of 2 at Soarin' to save wear and tear on one of them...but again, at peak times, I wouldn't expect them to do this.