DCL has tentative bookings at Honolulu Harbor in 2012!

[nikkistevej]

DCL + Hawaii= paradise. I would book!

ITA!!! Sounds sooo nice!!

 

[CruznLexi]

We did round trip Hawaii on RCI on Radiance in 07 it was a 15 day cruise we spent from Fri-Wed at Sea and then Wed-Mon at the different Islands and the volcano was not errupting. It was great but if you do not like rocky seas do not go.

 

[jodeja]

DCL + Hawaii= paradise. I would book!

I totally agree!

 

[Mmketeer]

Man that would be awesome if Disney would do Hawaii for May of 2012!
I'd certainly pay to go from the East coast over there. But, listen up Disney folks that make these plans....I am booking my 2012 cruise in a couple of weeks, so you guys better firm this up quick. Cause' right now I am booking the Allure of the Seas and since I'll be using an onboard booking special I won't be able to cancel without losing half my depsoit and onboard credit. I'd certainly rather sail DCL to Hawaii for my 20th wedding anniversary so DCL crew please decide now and post this as factual ASAP as 2012 is now only 1 year away and I need time to pay for it! LOL!

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

I'd certainly rather sail DCL to Hawaii for my 20th wedding anniversary so DCL crew please decide now and post this as factual ASAP as 2012 is now only 1 year away and I need time to pay for it!

Do you only want to sail TO Hawaii in May 2012?

Or would you be happy with a 2-week sailing from Los Angeles to Vancouver VIA Hawaii (with most of the itinerary consisting of days at sea) in May 2012?

 

[Mmketeer]

Do you only want to sail TO Hawaii in May 2012?

Or would you be happy with a 2-week sailing from Los Angeles to Vancouver VIA Hawaii (with most of the itinerary consisting of days at sea) in May 2012?

I know some folks would love that, but it's soooo hard for me to get away for 7 days as it is, so that would be way to long of a vacation for me. We have a horse farm and horse's don't understand vacations or holiday's -it's a 365 day a week job. So, just Hawaii for me please. I'd fly over the day before and fly out the day of disembarkation, I don't think I'd even be able to stay at their new resort on the island (unless it was a short cruise and then I could do a land /sea package).

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

I'd fly over the day before and fly out the day of disembarkation, I don't think I'd even be able to stay at their new resort on the island (unless it was a short cruise and then I could do a land /sea package).

If you read this whole thread, you'll learn that Disney cannot legally operate a 7-night cruise that begins in Los Angeles and ends in Hawaii.

So, if that's what you're waiting for, it isn't going to happen.

 

[idreamaway]

If you read this whole thread, you'll learn that Disney cannot legally operate a 7-night cruise that begins in Los Angeles and ends in Hawaii.

So, if that's what you're waiting for, it isn't going to happen.

Sure they can. It's not probable or economically feasable, but it definitely is possible to stop in Ensenada.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Sure they can. It's not probable or economically feasable, but it definitely is possible to stop in Ensenada.

A stop in Ensenada would satisfy the foreign port requirement of the PVSA only for a cruise that begins and ends at the SAME U.S. port.

However, if a cruise begins at one U.S. port and ends at a DIFFERENT U.S. port, the PVSA requires calling a DISTANT foreign port as part of the cruise. Ensenada is not considered a DISTANT foreign port, as defined by the PVSA.

A one-way cruise from Los Angeles to Honolulu on a DCL ship would have to stop somewhere that qualifies, such as South America, the South Pacific, or Asia. That would be impossible on the 7-night itinerary. Cruise ships cannot go fast enough to cover such a distance in one week.

So, I stand by what I wrote: Disney cannot legally operate a 7-night cruise that begins in Los Angeles and ends in Hawaii.

 

[NancyIL]

A stop in Ensenada would satisfy the foreign port requirement of the PVSA only for a cruise that begins and ends at the SAME U.S. port.

However, if a cruise begins at one U.S. port and ends at a DIFFERENT U.S. port, the PVSA requires calling a DISTANT foreign port as part of the cruise. Ensenada is not considered a DISTANT foreign port, as defined by the PVSA.

A one-way cruise from Los Angeles to Honolulu on a DCL ship would have to stop somewhere that qualifies, such as South America, the South Pacific, or Asia. That would be impossible on the 7-night itinerary. Cruise ships cannot go fast enough to cover such a distance in one week.

So, I stand by what I wrote: Disney cannot legally operate a 7-night cruise that begins in Los Angeles and ends in Hawaii.

Correct. Cruise lines that do one-ways to Hawaii begin or end the cruise in Mexico or Canada, or they reposition from somewhere in Asia or the South Pacific.

DCL also can't do 7-night roundtrip cruises from Hawaii. Only one ship does that: NCL's Pride of America - a US-flagged ship.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

DCL also can't do 7-night roundtrip cruises from Hawaii. Only one ship does that: NCL's Pride of America - a US-flagged ship.

Yes. And being "U.S. flagged" takes a lot more than just hoisting the Stars and Stripes up the mast.

It means having a ship built in a U.S. shipyard (although the Pride of America was only partially built at a U.S. shipyard). it means operating with U.S. officers and crew under U.S. labor laws. And that means higher operating costs and less flexible work rules for the cruise line.

NCL's attempt to get into the business of "U.S. flagged" cruises is a business failure.

 

[ClubDis]

Yes. And being "U.S. flagged" takes a lot more than just hoisting the Stars and Stripes up the mast.

It means having a ship built in a U.S. shipyard (although the Pride of America was only partially built at a U.S. shipyard). it means operating with U.S. officers and crew under U.S. labor laws. And that means higher operating costs and less flexible work rules for the cruise line.

NCL's attempt to get into the business of "U.S. flagged" cruises is a business failure.

And that's why I cannot WAIT until Undercover Boss comes on this Sunday!

 

[ludari]

I just found this post and YES I'm excited. I would definately be interested in booking a DCL trip from Honolulu.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

I just found this post and YES I'm excited. I would definately be interested in booking a DCL trip from Honolulu.

There will not be a DCL cruise originating from Honolulu -- at least not intra-Hawaii cruises or Hawaii-to-U.S.-mainland cruises.

DCL has to deal with the realities of U.S. law. (Please read some of preceding posts, which touch on the reasons.)

 

[lmhall2000]

There will not be a DCL cruise originating from Honolulu -- at least not intra-Hawaii cruises or Hawaii-to-U.S.-mainland cruises.

DCL has to deal with the realities of U.S. law. (Please read some of preceding posts, which touch on the reasons.)

Laws change, money makes a difference, especially when you're in such a hurting economy...you'd be amazed what 'could' happen...to say there will not be a DCL cruise is not allowing for change in policies, which do happen.

Don't rule out Disney buying their own "Castaway Cay" and creating new laws! What's a Dream without imagination

Tara

 

[NancyIL]

Laws change, money makes a difference, especially when you're in such a hurting economy...you'd be amazed what 'could' happen...to say there will not be a DCL cruise is not allowing for change in policies, which do happen.

Don't rule out Disney buying their own "Castaway Cay" and creating new laws! What's a Dream without imagination

Tara

DCL couldn't get Glacier Bay permits in Alaska, so don't expect them to get maritime laws changed so they can cruise in Hawaii!

 

[SanDeeKath]

Sure they can. It's not probable or economically feasable, but it definitely is possible to stop in Ensenada.

Can't happen. See the posts following yours. Also, these laws are antiquated and have been faught by many cruise lines in the past. Disney can't just request to change the laws or pay someone off or whatever. It just isn't gonna happen until the law is repealed, which is not likely in the next 10 or so years.

Ensenada doesn't qualify as a distant foreign port (nor does Vancouver), as stated above. It only counts if the cruise originates and ends in the SAME city (closed end loop).

One possibility that IS legal is starting in Hawaii and terminating in Vancouver. That is legal (hence the many coastal cruises from LA to YVR each Spring and Fall). But HI to another US port can't happen, even with a stop in YVR or Ensenada.

Katherine

 

[lmhall2000]

DCL couldn't get Glacier Bay permits in Alaska, so don't expect them to get maritime laws changed so they can cruise in Hawaii!

There are ways around everything....it's been done before...

Norwegian Cruise Line has re-introduced inter-island sailings with its NCL America division. Congress passed a bill in February, 2003 granting Norwegian Cruise Line exclusive rights to operate year-round, inter-island Hawaii service without having to call at a foreign port. In order to do this, the ships must sail under the U.S. Flag, with American crews and will be subject to all U.S. laws, including taxation and environmental regulations.

Pride of Aloha, the former Norwegian Sky, entered year-round Hawaii service on July 4, 2004 following a re-flagging ceremony which added her to the U.S. registry. Her seven-day Hawaiian itineraries sail round-trip

from Honolulu year-round on Sundays. The port intensive route calls at Nawiliwili, Kauai (overnight); Hilo, Hawaii; Kona, Hawaii and Kahului, Maui (overnight). The ship is in port every day and offers scenic cruising on Tuesday afternoon and evening.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Laws change, money makes a difference, especially when you're in such a hurting economy...you'd be amazed what 'could' happen...to say there will not be a DCL cruise is not allowing for change in policies, which do happen.

The law is from 1886.

The law works well for cruise lines that, despite being headquartered in United States, can use foriegn-built ships with international crews and ignore U.S. labor laws, as long as they follow the rules.

The law works well for the U.S. cargo lines that can charge a premium for cargo to Alaska and Hawaii.

Nobody really wants the Passenger Vessel Services Act (PVSA) of 1886 to change -- except for some people on the Internet who don't understand why the current law was enacted over 124 years ago and remains in force today.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Pride of Aloha, the former Norwegian Sky, entered year-round Hawaii service on July 4, 2004 following a re-flagging ceremony which added her to the U.S. registry. Her seven-day Hawaiian itineraries sail round-trip from Honolulu year-round on Sundays. The port intensive route calls at Nawiliwili, Kauai (overnight); Hilo, Hawaii; Kona, Hawaii and Kahului, Maui (overnight). The ship is in port every day and offers scenic cruising on Tuesday afternoon and evening.

The former Pride of Aloha is once again called the Norwegian Sky. She is no longer U.S. flagged. In fact, she was only the U.S.-flagged Pride of Aloha from 2004 to 2008.

NCL was able to get legislation passed because NCL bailed out the U.S.-taxpayer-subsidized Project America cruise ship debacle when it failed. At one time, NCL had three ships in the U.S.-flagged NCL America fleet. However, the venture was a business failure for NCL. Now NCL has just one remaining U.S.-flagged ship, the partially American-built Pride of America. It's the only large U.S.-flagged cruise ship operated by any cruise line.