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I'm not going to flame you. I accept all opinions and views for what they are. But for me, I didn't wake up one morning and say, "Allright, I like guys!" I've always been confused about my sexuality and have been scarred, since I was 12. But I've been in denial and afraid, and tried to hide and change it, believing it was a choice. But truthfully, it's not, at least for me it isn't. And it's been very recent that I've come to terms with my self. And my parents and siblings accept me for who I am, and truthfully, I only care what the people I love think about me. If a random jerk on the street came up to me and said, "Fly for me fairy boy!", I would ignore it, and go on my merry way. (And no, I'm not a flamer). In fact, I'm very secretive about it, and am scarred and confused, and mostly nerodic about the whole thing. So I have to put my foot down here and say that this was no choice of mine!

-Dainan "Spread the love for everyone :hippie: " Rafferty


thank you so much for sharing that with us, I hope that cleared up some stuff for some people...especially the whole 'gay being a choice' issue.
you are the bestestest Danian "caitlin thinks i'm the coolest " Rafferty. :hippie:


ALSO, thanks to all who shared their views.
 
thank you so much for sharing that with us, I hope that cleared up some stuff for some people...especially the whole 'gay being a choice' issue.
you are the bestestest Danian "caitlin thinks i'm the coolest " Rafferty. :hippie:


ALSO, thanks to all who shared their views.

Thank you very much, it's not easy posting something like this!

-Danian "Caitlin thinks I'm the coolest " Rafferty
 
Marriage isn't sacred.
If it really were, you'd be shouting:'Don't let athiests get married!'
I plan on getting married, but I do I believe in any form of Christianity? No. I don't.

And it's clearly not lust. There are gay people who are married. They dated for possibly years before getting married, just like any straight couple would. If you, are willing to marry someone, and truly love them forever, then I don't define that as lust. Yes, some people marry sometimes for the wrong reasons, or too quickly or whatever, but I'm not here to judge whether or not their getting married for the right reasons.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Can you imagine, what it's like, to love someone of the other sex? I'm just saying, how would YOU FEEL if someone said 'Nope, you can't marry this person because it's against my beliefs, even though they're not yours.' Would you like to be mocked and ridiculed? Would like to go around, everyday, seeing couples together, married and obviously happy, but you're not allowed to marry your lover, because they just happen to be the same sex as you?
I think, it's a sin (goodness I hate that word) to judge people because of your religion, to judge them because their different. It's a sin to not let these people be happy. It's a sin that right now, they can't legally be married to that person. It's a sin that their parents won't get to see them have a wedding day, possibly before they die.
It makes me want to cry. Even if it doesn't affect me directly.
 
I'm bisexual. It took me a long time to figure that out. If I come off as really heated on this thread, now you all know why. some day, i may be in the position where this law effects me. Anyone who thinks its a choice, i dunno how to say it nicely, but god I wish you were right. I wish i didn't have a crush on the girl who sat next to me in first grade. I wish i didn't have to pick between boys and girls. I wish I didn't have the whole inner struggle going on in my head. i wish I was just following a fad. You have no idea how much I wish that. but I am who I am, and It took me near sixteen years to figure that out. i'm happy with me, and I'm at a point in my life where I don't care if you are or not. Call me a sinner. Call me immoral. judge me all you want. If you think you're any better than me, or anyone else, I dare you to take a long hard look at yourself. you've got your flaws. You've got your problems. But I'm not judging you for something so trivial as how your pheromone readers fire.

I'm not going to flame you. I accept all opinions and views for what they are. But for me, I didn't wake up one morning and say, "Allright, I like guys!" I've always been confused about my sexuality and have been scarred, since I was 12. But I've been in denial and afraid, and tried to hide and change it, believing it was a choice. But truthfully, it's not, at least for me it isn't. And it's been very recent that I've come to terms with my self. And my parents and siblings accept me for who I am, and truthfully, I only care what the people I love think about me. If a random jerk on the street came up to me and said, "Fly for me fairy boy!", I would ignore it, and go on my merry way. (And no, I'm not a flamer). In fact, I'm very secretive about it, and am scarred and confused, and mostly nerodic about the whole thing. So I have to put my foot down here and say that this was no choice of mine!

-Dainan "Spread the love for everyone :hippie: " Rafferty
Thank you for posting this. youre my hero, dude.
 


I am going to say now, I respect everyones views. This is one subject that I think no matter how much you try you really can not change a persons opinion about. No flames please, some thingjust jumped out at me.

The bible can be used in all sorts of ways in this day and age. If the bible didn't apply to today, then Christianity really wouldn't exist. There are millions of followers who follow the book everyday. Now, it doesn't mean you have to take it litterally. Of course we can eat shrimp.

For me, marriage is a holy and sacred event that should happen between a man and a woman. If there are many different types of marriages, then the definition of marriage would change, which is shouldn't.

Hands down, I really do not want to live in a world filled with that, nor do I want a bunch or rapist, murders, liars, stealers, ect. But of course that isn't the way life is. It doesn't mean however that I have to think its ok.

To the person who said being gay/lesbian wasn't a choice, then what if a person was, but didn't want to live that lifestyle? What if they said no? I believe 100% it is a choice.

That probably didn't make much sense, because I wrote what I had off the top of my head. I just rambled. :)

(Flame suit is ready!!!!)

:confused: :confused: Question: if you loved someone, would you really want to go your life without being with them? You do not choose who you love, because if you had to choose, in my opinion, it would not be love.

Is it really love though? Or is it lust. That is a very fine line.

Yes, the bible does talk about love, but it also talks about loving the person, and not the sin. (Which I belive is gay marriage.)

I would support them, because they were my family. Would I agree with their choices. No.

Same way if my brother married a *****. lol

Ok so please do not flame me for this because even taking into consideration that we have different views and that is not going to change, this bugged me. Who are you to say that 2 people are not in love?! People said the same thing on about 50 of the Vanessa Anne Hudgens threads. They said "Zac and Vanessa are just a fling" and "It's not love." Who are you or anybody else to say 2 people are not in love. Just because they do not fit your beliefs do not mean they are not in love. I think most people would agree with me on this. The bible does not say: Love; a man and a woman who feel deeply for eachother, blah blah blah. I am straight so yes for me, love will be a man, but that is for me, for someone else it could be another girl. Please relize I am just trying to show you my side, I am in no way trying to change your mind. I just want you to understand.

I'm not going to flame you. I accept all opinions and views for what they are. But for me, I didn't wake up one morning and say, "Allright, I like guys!" I've always been confused about my sexuality and have been scarred, since I was 12. But I've been in denial and afraid, and tried to hide and change it, believing it was a choice. But truthfully, it's not, at least for me it isn't. And it's been very recent that I've come to terms with my self. And my parents and siblings accept me for who I am, and truthfully, I only care what the people I love think about me. If a random jerk on the street came up to me and said, "Fly for me fairy boy!", I would ignore it, and go on my merry way. (And no, I'm not a flamer). In fact, I'm very secretive about it, and am scarred and confused, and mostly nerodic about the whole thing. So I have to put my foot down here and say that this was no choice of mine!

-Dainan "Spread the love for everyone :hippie: " Rafferty

Thank you for sharing this with us. You probably don't know me that well, but I'm Liz. :)

AS for the Shelby- bible debate:


1 Vote for Shelby! :hippie:
 
I guess you can call me the "Gay-Straight Aliance Hero!" lol. Thanks guys for the comment about my post. As I posted before, I don't classify myself as gay or straight. I'm just...me.

-Dainan "I'm happy with me" Rafferty
 
The bible can be used in all sorts of ways in this day and age. If the bible didn't apply to today, then Christianity really wouldn't exist. There are millions of followers who follow the book everyday. Now, it doesn't mean you have to take it litterally. Of course we can eat shrimp.

For me, marriage is a holy and sacred event that should happen between a man and a woman. If there are many different types of marriages, then the definition of marriage would change, which is shouldn't.

Hands down, I really do not want to live in a world filled with that, nor do I want a bunch or rapist, murders, liars, stealers, ect. But of course that isn't the way life is. It doesn't mean however that I have to think its ok.

To the person who said being gay/lesbian wasn't a choice, then what if a person was, but didn't want to live that lifestyle? What if they said no? I believe 100% it is a choice.


That probably didn't make much sense, because I wrote what I had off the top of my head. I just rambled. :)

(Flame suit is ready!!!!)

Are you saying, that they're attracted, and are gay/lesbian but don't want to date because they don't want to be mocked and ridiculed?
Heck what you said made no sense. Who wants to go through life without someone to hold them, to tell them how much their loved, to have someone who loves them unconditionally at the end of the day?
It's still not a choice. Yes, I suppose it's a choice whether you act on it, but the choice is usually based on what other people think of you, and that, comes back to homophobics are making this world a worse place to live in.
Love to me, is the most important thing in the world. Without it, society, well couldn't exist. Why should it be such a big deal that two people who love each other want to get married?
 


"What kind of father would take his own daughter's rights away?
And what kind of father might hate his own daughter if she were gay?
I can only imagine what the first lady has to say
You've come a long way from whiskey and cocaine."
-Pink's "Dear Mr. President"

The underlined, bolded is exactly how I feel, even though that song is about the President.

Uhh I gotta start somewhere,
It's love.
How could someone stop other people from loving?
Trying to stop gay marriage is like trying to stop love.
People will always love, love is great. Why try to stop it?
It's not your business, the homosexual people aren't harming you, they're not making your life
miserable, what are they doing to you that's making your life a living nightmare?
Nothing. It's not the homosexual factor in it. If a homosexual person is making your life a living
nightmare, it's not because they're homosexual, it's who they are. Being gay is not the factor.

I highly admire those who are public [holding hands, kissing, etc.] about being gay. I just think it's
brave. Going public about it, knowing some people are going to be totally disgusted, I just think
that's, admirable, I guess would be the right word.
Society truly needs to lighten up.

Gay marriage is totally fine with me.
Gay marriage is supported by me.
Quite a few people in my family are gay and my grandpa is homophobic.
It's sad, seeing how he dislikes [and shows] when they visit. My cousins [and uncles] don't HARM him when they visit, my one uncle doesn't even mention the subject.
It's just sad to see how my grandfather, the father of my uncle, does not support his own son.
[He's also racist but I won't start on that]

Quite a few friends of mine are gay, also.
I am fine with that. I was so happy when my friend Brock told me [I felt like he'd confided in me with a major secret] he just doesn't want too many people to know. Think about it; a sophmore in a town that looks down on gays. [Yup, that's my town].
That's a big secret!
That's a big impact.

I don't get why some people dislike it.
I've read all your posts. I understand.
I just don't get it.
 
Um hi?.I guesse I just had a question for anyone but,when is this thred going to turn back to the main subject?advice for this person's paper.(sorry I don't know anyone's name)
 
HPGirl- this is what the thread is about. She wanted are opinions for her paper...
 
Alright, so this thread has gotten me thinking....and I have asked others, because I've really never talked about the subject...its not something that comes up in my daily life, except here. lol

My roommate has a brother who is feminine (hate the word gay) and he said that it wasn't a choice that you are born to like someone of the same sex, but it is the choice to live the lifestyle. He also has a good friend who was also feminine, who tried living the lifestyle (because he thought he had no other option) didn't like it, and actually ended up getting married(to a straight woman). Now he (the friend) thinks it is a choice in whether you listen to that desire.

Different views from different people.

On the subject of marriage.... I really think now to me, that it depends on your world view whether marriage is sacred. Some people take it lightly, while others don't. (like me.)

So now....do I think being homosexual is a choice? No. Is living the lifestyle a choice? Yes.

Hopefully that made clearer sense. And I'm sorry if I sounded way too igorant. I probably was.

BTW, Shelby....I have plenty of faults. Believe me. I'm no where NEAR perfect.
 
Alright, so this thread has gotten me thinking....and I have asked others, because I've really never talked about the subject...its not something that comes up in my daily life, except here. lol

My roommate has a brother who is feminine (hate the word gay) and he said that it wasn't a choice that you are born to like someone of the same sex, but it is the choice to live the lifestyle. He also has a good friend who was also feminine, who tried living the lifestyle (because he thought he had no other option) didn't like it, and actually ended up getting married(to a straight woman). Now he (the friend) thinks it is a choice in whether you listen to that desire.

Different views from different people.

On the subject of marriage.... I really think now to me, that it depends on your world view whether marriage is sacred. Some people take it lightly, while others don't. (like me.)

So now....do I think being homosexual is a choice? No. Is living the lifestyle a choice? Yes.

Hopefully that made clearer sense. And I'm sorry if I sounded way too igorant. I probably was.

BTW, Shelby....I have plenty of faults. Believe me. I'm no where NEAR perfect.


Do you mean that he tried acting like a stereotypical gay person? Like with the hand gestures and all that?

He shouldn't have to change his personality like that. He should be who he is and if he is gay then that's just part of him. It shouldn't change who he is.


HPGIRL: I finished my paper but people are still discussing it and it's fine with me. It's a healthy discussion.
 
Like I said earlier. Coming out, doesn't mean it changes your whole personality. I don't prance around like a fairy, talk with a lysp, or make feminane movements. It's just emotions.

-Dainan "Jesus christ I'm annoyed!" Rafferty
 
Alright, so this thread has gotten me thinking....and I have asked others, because I've really never talked about the subject...its not something that comes up in my daily life, except here. lol

My roommate has a brother who is feminine (hate the word gay) and he said that it wasn't a choice that you are born to like someone of the same sex, but it is the choice to live the lifestyle. He also has a good friend who was also feminine, who tried living the lifestyle (because he thought he had no other option) didn't like it, and actually ended up getting married(to a straight woman). Now he (the friend) thinks it is a choice in whether you listen to that desire.

Different views from different people.

On the subject of marriage.... I really think now to me, that it depends on your world view whether marriage is sacred. Some people take it lightly, while others don't. (like me.)

So now....do I think being homosexual is a choice? No. Is living the lifestyle a choice? Yes.

Hopefully that made clearer sense. And I'm sorry if I sounded way too igorant. I probably was.

BTW, Shelby....I have plenty of faults. Believe me. I'm no where NEAR perfect.

Sacred marriage?
Do you mean straight?

Or do you mean as long as one loves another enough for marriage?
 
Alright, so this thread has gotten me thinking....and I have asked others, because I've really never talked about the subject...its not something that comes up in my daily life, except here. lol

My roommate has a brother who is feminine (hate the word gay) and he said that it wasn't a choice that you are born to like someone of the same sex, but it is the choice to live the lifestyle. He also has a good friend who was also feminine, who tried living the lifestyle (because he thought he had no other option) didn't like it, and actually ended up getting married(to a straight woman). Now he (the friend) thinks it is a choice in whether you listen to that desire.

Different views from different people.

On the subject of marriage.... I really think now to me, that it depends on your world view whether marriage is sacred. Some people take it lightly, while others don't. (like me.)

So now....do I think being homosexual is a choice? No. Is living the lifestyle a choice? Yes.

Hopefully that made clearer sense. And I'm sorry if I sounded way too igorant. I probably was.

BTW, Shelby....I have plenty of faults. Believe me. I'm no where NEAR perfect.

I'm wondering - what do you mean by the 'gay' lifestyle?
People live many different lifestyles. There aren't just two liftestyles, that are are separated by sexual orientation.
You don't need to change yourself once you find out your gay. The only thing that changes, is you date people of the same sex. That's all. You don't actually change anything.
 
I'm wondering - what do you mean by the 'gay' lifestyle?
People live many different lifestyles. There aren't just two liftestyles, that are are separated by sexual orientation.
You don't need to change yourself once you find out your gay. The only thing that changes, is you date people of the same sex. That's all. You don't actually change anything.

MY HERO
 
Here. Let me put it simply. So maybe you can understand it, because your vocabulary doesn't seem to be at par with mine. Chastely means quickly, and not 'making out'. A chaste kiss is not an 'OMG! I love you, sooooo much I want to just do naughty things to you' kiss. It's an 'I'm going out to shop, I'll be back in a few hours. Bye.' type of kiss. I'm sure your parents have probably given each other chaste kisses infront of you (unless of course, all they do is make out).

About the Olympics. If they wanted the sue the creators of the "Gay Olympics" for a copyright violation, they should have, to be fair, sued every institution with the word "Olympics" in it. They shouldn't have sued just one organization. And yes, if I were going to do it, I'd do it right. If I wanted to sue the "Gay Olympics", I'd also sue the "Special Olympics" and so on. Nobody should be excluded just because they have a handicap.

As for PDA in schools...I don't reference that anywhere. At all. I think you're putting things out there that I never said. I said that a student was kicked out of Baylor University simply because he was gay, not because he engaged in some sore of illicit public activity with another guy. And the laws in Alabama, Mississippi, Arizona, South Carolina, and Texas have nothing to do with PDA at all. You can't talk about homosexuality in any of those states at school without facing punishment. Some of those states allow the discussion of homosexuality, but limit it to being strictly negative talk like 'OMG! Save us from those horrid gays that want to make us look fashionable!'

A black couple kicked out of Denny's is a left over facet of racism in the US (might I add, that the entire concept of blacks being a lesser race is due to the colonial interpretation of the Bible...). I'm not really that surprised over the kids being kicked out of class for swearing. That's not something that is usually allowed in schools. I've been asked to censor myself several times (and I've had to censor myself thoroughly in this post...). And I don't know that they weren't, but I'm going to consider my source valid and say that when they mean kiss, they mean a chaste one, and when they say sitting too close, I'm going to assume they mean near enough for one to rest her head on the shoulder of the other.

As for the military. I hate to break it to you, but not all gays are horndogs. They're not going to jump the first guy/girl they see. Did you know that a massive percentage of the women dishonorably discharged from the US armed forces under the accusation of being a lesbian, only had those charges brought up against them because they turned down a male servicemember who got his ego bruised (not saying all guys are like that, cause they aren't).

As for the bible, it may be the oldest book in the world, but I'm sure that there's a scroll or two documenting a story somewhere in the thousands of years before the bible came along. The Old Testament was written a long time ago, given. It was also written by the Jews, given. But if you look at it this way, IDEAS CHANGE. No single thought will ever be the same. To bring up an earlier statement, the idea that blacks were a subservient race in colonial america and thus were fit for enslavement comes directly from the bible and the story of Ham gazing upon his father Noah naked. Ham became cursed and thus his descendants cursed. Black was an evil color then and when the Europeans encountered the africans for the first time, they began to rationalize why these people's skin never lightened and they concluded that they must be the children of Ham. So, if we interpret the bible literally and never change our ideas, we should all (by your reasoning) be racists that think one person is superior becuase of their skin color. And I'm not bashing god in this, either. However, I have a feeling that if I were to tell you my religion, you would bash me for it simply because it is the anti-christianity. Even if you didn't do it on the boards, you would do it in your head.

I'm bisexual, and I have no problems with dating a girl or a boy, so long as I love them. I have no problem with straight couples, I think they're cute. I have no problem with gay couples, I think they're cute, too. Anybody that's in love with somebody else and can show that affection to the world is cute and real and should be allowed to marry whomever they wish.

*gets off her 5-gallon pickle drum*

Maybe my initial interpretation of your inteligence level was misleasding, as you did not analyze what the point I was trying to make. what i was trying to say is that what read in the newspaper isnt always the exact truth sometimes blown out of proportion to make a better story, and we wont know the exact truth of hte story unless we were there.

About the olympics my question is why cant "gays" compete in the normal olympics?

My point is that people are kicked out of things all the time it doesnt matter if you black or gay or white. These occurences can happen to anybody

About the bible, yes ideas do change but the interiptaion of changes as well usually to be mroe aplicable to modern times just as the interpretation of art work or music does over time.

As for the military, no not all gays are going to have intimate relations with everyone they meet....However after a while if they are dating, it's gonna happen whether you are gay or strait. That's why guys and girls have different sleeping areas. Why should gay people be in a loophole to get around this?

before I cough up bible verses, you've still not shown me where I called any of you crazy, old, or stuck in the past. i'd like direct quotes please, because I have a feeling that you're not going to find me saying any of that.

Okay on page 2 post #27

You say "Needless to say, the bible is mildly (or majorly depending on your views) outdated. its like that crazy old uncle who tells you that you'll get hemorrhoids from sitting on cold concrete. there are times when you should listen and times when you shouldn't."

You are implying that the followers of the bible are stuck in the past and those that preach it are idiots who are only trying to get a rise out of people. You are generalizing all christians and throwing them into the same group of ignorant bafoons. It'd be like me saying that all homosexuals are guys with high voices flailing there arms around and know more about girl stuff (perfume, clothes, etc.) than most girls.
 
Okay on page 2 post #27

You say "Needless to say, the bible is mildly (or majorly depending on your views) outdated. its like that crazy old uncle who tells you that you'll get hemorrhoids from sitting on cold concrete. there are times when you should listen and times when you shouldn't."

You are implying that the followers of the bible are stuck in the past and those that preach it are idiots who are only trying to get a rise out of people. You are generalizing all christians and throwing them into the same group of ignorant bafoons. It'd be like me saying that all homosexuals are guys with high voices flailing there arms around and know more about girl stuff (perfume, clothes, etc.) than most girls.
if you can't fathom the comparison that I was making, I refuse to argue with you. I refuse to battle wits with someone unarmed.

btw, the anti shrimp quotes are from Leviticus 11:9-12. Which is right after the anti gay passage.
 
Okay on page 2 post #27

You say "Needless to say, the bible is mildly (or majorly depending on your views) outdated. its like that crazy old uncle who tells you that you'll get hemorrhoids from sitting on cold concrete. there are times when you should listen and times when you shouldn't."

You are implying that the followers of the bible are stuck in the past and those that preach it are idiots who are only trying to get a rise out of people. You are generalizing all christians and throwing them into the same group of ignorant bafoons. It'd be like me saying that all homosexuals are guys with high voices flailing there arms around and know more about girl stuff (perfume, clothes, etc.) than most girls.


Let me just say she never called you or anyone crazy like you implied. She was saying "crazy old uncle" as an example that in know way had to do with the Bible.

Also, implying isn't really proof, because thats what YOU THINK she is saying. Also when did she say you were trying to get a rise out of people? Not anywhere I saw. JMO.

I accept everyones opinions, what I don't accept is you twisting her words. Again, JMO.
 

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