Won't let DD do BBB---Am I the only one?

[ma2nojo]

I cannot wait until my DD6 walks into BBB and realizes that she is going to be transformed into a princess- not that she isn't already one I've seen photographs of the hairstyles and am not especially crazy about them but I know she will absolutely love them and that is all that matters. I could also easily transform her into a princess at our resort with glitter, nail polish, makeup at a much lower cost but it would not be even close to the same "magical" experience as having it done by a FGIT in a place catering specifically to princesses.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

I see no problem with letting your child do the dress up. I actually don't like the makeup because it isn't accurate to the character dress up. I would actually prefer to do her make-up myself and then let her have her hair done there. Though the hair products they use seem like they are killer on the hair itself. Maybe I'll bring my own hairspray for them to use when she does ask to go to BBB.

As for some of the reason why not to do it, ehh it's your kid. This is such a small issue.

 

[princessmom29]

I see no problem with letting your child do the dress up. I actually don't like the makeup because it isn't accurate to the character dress up. I would actually prefer to do her make-up myself and then let her have her hair done there. Though the hair products they use seem like they are killer on the hair itself. Maybe I'll bring my own hairspray for them to use when she does ask to go to BBB.

As for some of the reason why not to do it, ehh it's your kid. This is such a small issue.

I agree with you that they are not really accurate. We do our own dressup when we want to get really close to the character, and I usually make dresses for those. They will not use any outside product at the BBB or deviate from the styles they do at all. They are not liscensed and can only do what thery have been traiend to do. DD has done it twice, and I don;t find the product to be hard on the hair at all. The do use a LOT of it, but we have never had problems getting it out or had it adversely effect DD's hair. They don't pull it up any tighter than I do for dance so DD never complained that it was too tight.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

I agree with you that they are not really accurate. We do our own dressup when we want to get really close to the character, and I usually make dresses for those. They will not use any outside product at the BBB or deviate from the styles they do at all. They are not liscensed and can only do what thery have been traiend to do. DD has done it twice, and I don;t find the product to be hard on the hair at all. The do use a LOT of it, but we have never had problems getting it out or had it adversely effect DD's hair. They don't pull it up any tighter than I do for dance so DD never complained that it was too tight.

That is good to hear about the tightness. Obviously this is a far off conversation for me but right now I only use Ouidad and Bumble and Bumble on her hair. I'm very cautious about what products I use in her hair. I don't want to ruin it. I know one day won't matter in the big picture.

 

[ebtbmom]

I have been wondering why today's girls seem to be so grown and mature, advanced and sassy for their age. I didn't realize that it was the BBB destroying their innocence!

 

[Mama Who]

YOU are the one who is being nasty. With comments about 'Why you want my kid painted up". Light makeup is NOT "painted up". You have been told repeatedly that the parent is in control of how much makeup they will put on your child at BBB. But you want to ignore that fact! No one has said to go make your child look like a trollop, yet you are insinuating any amount of makeup on a child makes them look that way.

You have no idea what my nice looked like with her BBB makeover. And to make comments about her "done up in such a way" is over the line. Or should I post about how your poor girl probably looks so plain? Would you think that nice? It isn't, but that is how you are acting and sounding. As if it is ok to attack other people's kids because they are not parented the same way as you parent. That is pretty low.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but when you start making comments like you have, and it involves making it sound like other's people kids look like hookers, you are going to get very vocal disagreement.

You seem to have some problem with any kind of makeup for a costume, but full on face paint is ok. Can't you see how that makes no kind of sense at all?

Show me one post where I "attacked" any child or stop making accusations, please. I think if you read carefully you will discover that you are projecting. I have said I won't allow my child to do something- that it isn't what I deem appropriate for MY kid. That in no way constitutes attacking a child who is allowed to do it. It's not even attacking their parent. It's saying, "we don't do that in our family."


The words "streetwalker" and "hooker" and "trollop" are getting thrown around a lot but it's interesting to note that those words, as well as "sexual" have mostly been introduced into the conversation by those who are FOR BBB, not those who prefer not to do it. I have not said anyone looked like a hooker. I have not said anyone was a bad parent. I certainly did not introduce the idea of this being a sex thing into the conversation.

What I did was say to the OP that no, she's not the only one who won't allow it and that yes, make up is a huge taboo in some families and that no, I don't think it's appropriate for MY CHILD and that I won't allow it.

I did not say you shouldn't do it. I did not say they shouldn't offer it. I did not say you're a big old pervert if you disagree with me. (Although it's pretty amusing that in a conversation about little girls and make up I have been accused of being some sort of deviant for NOT putting make up on my kid. Really? I HAVE to do it or I'm a weirdo?)

I don't want my kid done up by BBB standards. There's a look they're going for and I choose not to do that with my kid. If you think my girl looks plain... you're right! She's a plain old boring pretty baby. We're good with that. Plain is not a curse word. It's not an insult. It's not a bad thing and nobody is a bad parent for choosing it for their child.

I don't think people who put make up on their children are bad parents. I don't think their children are bad children. I think they are making choices that I will not make for my own child. If that makes me some big evil monster in your world... well, I'll just have to live with that. Me and my plain baby will be okay, somehow. We'll muddle through.

 

[Mama Who]

to make it simple for you, I have snipped the parts directed specificly at me that were nasty comments about MY child. She is not "tricked out" or "painted up" and I am not destroying her innocence. I don't see how you could have ment any of that as a positive refelection on my child???

I really don't care what you do with your child, and do not want to see her wear makeup(I refuse to use the term "painted up" in refernce to anyone's child. It is inappropriate.). She is your child. It really doesn't matter to me what you do. My posts were designed to make some folks think a little about WHY they are forbidding makeup. Your statement about protecting your DD's innocence is a prime example. It turns makeup into something sexual when, for little girls, it has no such connotation. It doesn't destroy ANYONE's innocence. It cannot. People do that, not things. That's why I think, at least part of the time, it is about the parent's hangup, and not about the child atall.

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Well no. You're confused.

"Tricked out" merely means "fancied up" or "decorated." Given the sexual tone you've added to this conversation I can see how you'd have read it as akin to "turning tricks" but really, that's your interpretation, not something being said. Further, if a small child is tricked out OR paited up, it's certainly not a reflection on the child. It reflects the parent's values and choices. I don't even think those are BAD values and choices in most cases, just "not for me and mine." In the most extreme cases I've seen a little girl coated in make up is a sign of a poor judgement call on the parent's part but again, in no way a sign of anything at all wrong with the child.

Innocence is another term that you've taken as being all about sex. It isn't. My child will be innocent of MANY things for as long as I can manage. They aren't all about her hoohah. I want her innocent of sexuality, violence, racism, homophobia... I want her innocent of adulthood and adult issues.

It is interesting that you equate children in adult make up being called inappropriate with sex and prostitution. I don't. I know many lovely adult women who wear make up- some of them lots- who are not trashy. They are STILL doing something I don't want my little kid doing. Not because it's trashy, not because it's sexy, but because it's grown up. I don't want my six year old looking sixteen even if she looks like the most wholesome sixteen year old on the planet.

 

[DipsyDoodles]

I have never seen this add, but I agree with you that it is insulting and nuts!

...We have done the BBB in past years, and it is no big deal to me...just something fanciful-like the idea of talking mice!

That said, most kids are cuter before they begin the process, and being in there is like being at a poodle grooming place that puts perfume on your pet:
three looks, not like going to a salon that accentuates your personal looks!

BTW...NONE of the kids come out of there looking mature! I actually call one of the looks "the Princess Mullet!"

But it's really not insulting. I've called my daughter my little "pumpkin" forever. It's a cute nickname.

 

[princessmom29]

Well no. You're confused.

"Tricked out" merely means "fancied up" or "decorated." Given the sexual tone you've added to this conversation I can see how you'd have read it as akin to "turning tricks" but really, that's your interpretation, not something being said. Further, if a small child is tricked out OR paited up, it's certainly not a reflection on the child. It reflects the parent's values and choices. I don't even think those are BAD values and choices in most cases, just "not for me and mine." In the most extreme cases I've seen a little girl coated in make up is a sign of a poor judgement call on the parent's part but again, in no way a sign of anything at all wrong with the child.

Innocence is another term that you've taken as being all about sex. It isn't. My child will be innocent of MANY things for as long as I can manage. They aren't all about her hoohah. I want her innocent of sexuality, violence, racism, homophobia... I want her innocent of adulthood and adult issues.

It is interesting that you equate children in adult make up being called inappropriate with sex and prostitution. I don't. I know many lovely adult women who wear make up- some of them lots- who are not trashy. They are STILL doing something I don't want my little kid doing. Not because it's trashy, not because it's sexy, but because it's grown up. I don't want my six year old looking sixteen even if she looks like the most wholesome sixteen year old on the planet.

no, I don't think YOU know the origin of the terms you are throwing around. Using the term "painted" to refer to a girl or woman in makeup originated with the term "painted lady", a polite term for prositiute. So yes, by saying I can paint up my child if I want you in fact ARE suggesting prostitution. And "tricked out" in refeernce to a woman does in fact have its origins in turning tricks. If that is not your intent, I would be much more careful when using such terms to describle little girls. I don't know how else anyone is supposed to take those kinds of references???? Given that your post was dripping with sarcasm and obvious disdain, I think your intent was clear and now you are trying to backpedal because you were called on it. You said it, own it.

 

[iheartdisney]

no, I don't think YOU know the origin of the terms you are throwing around. Using the term "painted" to refer to a girl or woman in makeup originated with the term "painted lady", a polite term for prositiute. So yes, by saying I can paint up my child if I want you in fact ARE suggesting prostitution. And "tricked out" in refeernce to a woman does in fact have its origins in turning tricks. If that is not your intent, I would be much more careful when using such terms to describle little girls. I don't know how else anyone is supposed to take those kinds of references???? Given that your post was dripping with sarcasm and obvious disdain, I think your intent was clear and now you are trying to backpedal because you were called on it. You said it, own it.

As an innocent bystander in this hooplah, may I point out that as a fellow conservative, I didn't automatically think prosistution was being implied in the post. Sorry,that is not where my mind automatically goes. Tricked out, like a tricked out ride.
Painted, as in the makeup resembles paint. When I was a teenager getting ready for school in the morning, my dad would see my sister and i applying our makeup in the mirror and often comment that we were putting on the warpaint. Never did i think my dear old dad thought I was a prostitute! I guess I need to have a talk with him!
Seriously, I think this thread needs to go back to the original toic, and stop the back and forth crosstalk. Otherwise, we need to give a few poters a ruler and a little privacy so we can call a winner!

 

[princessmom29]

As an innocent bystander in this hooplah, may I point out that as a fellow conservative, I didn't automatically think prosistution was being implied in the post. Sorry,that is not where my mind automatically goes. Tricked out, like a tricked out ride.
Painted, as in the makeup resembles paint. When I was a teenager getting ready for school in the morning, my dad would see my sister and i applying our makeup in the mirror and often comment that we were putting on the warpaint. Never did i think my dear old dad thought I was a prostitute! I guess I need to have a talk with him!
Seriously, I think this thread needs to go back to the original toic, and stop the back and forth crosstalk. Otherwise, we need to give a few poters a ruler and a little privacy so we can call a winner!

even if you didn't automatically think of the origins of the terms, did you think that calling my child "tricked out" and "painted up" because I allow her to play in dress up makeup was complimentary, or do you think it was meant to be negative? I felt it was pretty clearly meant to be deragatory, and saying things like that aoubt other poeple's children is a line I feel shouldn't be crossed. That is why I am upset. It is not about who is right, but about the fact that you just don't say things like that about other people's children no matter how much you disagree with them.

 

[Mama Who]

no, I don't think YOU know the origin of the terms you are throwing around. Using the term "painted" to refer to a girl or woman in makeup originated with the term "painted lady", a polite term for prositiute. So yes, by saying I can paint up my child if I want you in fact ARE suggesting prostitution. And "tricked out" in refeernce to a woman does in fact have its origins in turning tricks. If that is not your intent, I would be much more careful when using such terms to describle little girls. I don't know how else anyone is supposed to take those kinds of references???? Given that your post was dripping with sarcasm and obvious disdain, I think your intent was clear and now you are trying to backpedal because you were called on it. You said it, own it.

I can only own my own crazy, I can't take responsibility for someone else's.

You've invented my part in this conversation to suit your own feeling of injury. Not much I can do about that. If you'd ever like to actually talk about what said instead of what you made up for what I said to mean, let me know. BTW, I checked. "Streetwalker" was a word YOU introduced into this conversation back on page one.

 

[Mama Who]

As an innocent bystander in this hooplah, may I point out that as a fellow conservative, I didn't automatically think prosistution was being implied in the post. Sorry,that is not where my mind automatically goes. Tricked out, like a tricked out ride.

You are correct. It was inferred, not implied. FTR, I refer to my Christmas tree as being "All tricked out." I'm hoping nobody thinks I'm calling the tree a hooker...

 

[princessmom29]

You are correct. It was inferred, not implied. FTR, I refer to my Christmas tree as being "All tricked out." I'm hoping nobody thinks I'm calling the tree a hooker...

You would be talking about a tree, not a child.

Ok, I'll play along for the sake of argument. Sexual references aside, Did you really mean "tricked out" and "painted up" as complimetary discriptions of my child or not because I don't see how telling me to go paint my child up however I wanted but that you would choose to protect your child's innocence instead could possibly be a compliment.


Also, nice way to avoid points by calling me crazy without really saying it

 

[iheartdisney]

You would be talking about a tree, not a child.

Ok, I'll play along for the sake of argument. Sexual references aside, Did you really mean "tricked out" and "painted up" as complimetary discriptions of my child or not because I don't see how telling me to go paint my child up however I wanted but that you would choose to protect your child's innocence instead could possibly be a compliment.


Also, nice way to avoid points by calling me crazy without really saying it

In the context of BBB, I think "tricked out" is a pretty good definition, as in having all the bells and whistles. And at the prices that one pays at BBB, I would hope that all possible bells and whistles would be thrown in.
And for all the comparisons between BBB makeup and facepaint, again, painted up would be an acceptable term.
Finally, this thread is about BBB in genreal, not about your child in particular. No one called YOUR child a strumpet or a lady of the night or anything close. This isn't about YOUR child.

 

[tinkerpea]

I understand that you have made some distinction between eyeshadow on little girls and eye shadow on little girls at Disney but that distinction is not one all of us recognize as valid. I "grasp" what you believe just fine, I just don't believe it.

And darn tootin' I'm in charge of how much make up gets put on my baby girl. That amount is "none." If you think make up on your niece looks "nice" that's really between you and her parents. My daughter will not be done up in such a way and that's not a reflection of some failure to understand on my part.

Just a few quick questions!......

Do you not allow your child to have Facepaints on either? I.E like the Butterfly princesses or the queen of hearts make-up that can be done at the Paint shop in toontown,or any other type of fancy dress Facepaint at like partys or Halloween???
OR
If your daughter was to do a dance show(If she danced for example) because of lighting and overall effect to enhance the costume,say for example your daughter was to be a cat,or bunny rabbit in her school play for Easter........
Im just curious,Also just a quick one to add in Coming from the UK and seeing your use of words,like Tricked Up.Painted up etc I would have fully thought what other people did! that you was refering to the terms of a Street walker Lady of the night what ever you want to call them,
Just wondering how many others may have thought the same thing if it hadnt of been for reading the whole thread! I was quite shocked at 1st to see other peoples Daughters to be described like this,Obviously if this is what people say in the US to describe other meanings of decorated then wow Im pleased we dont use those definitions over here I would not like to describe a child in that way as it sounds quite harsh to be honest........Anyways i just thought that i would let you know that their might be other people out there that dont quite understand your take on the TRICKED UP....PAINTED UP, and may have found that a little out of place on here, and you could maybe explain that meaning after you have said the word so you dont get the Backlash you have gotten!

 

[roliepolieoliefan]

In the context of BBB, I think "tricked out" is a pretty good definition, as in having all the bells and whistles. And at the prices that one pays at BBB, I would hope that all possible bells and whistles would be thrown in.
And for all the comparisons between BBB makeup and facepaint, again, painted up would be an acceptable term.
Finally, this thread is about BBB in genreal, not about your child in particular. No one called YOUR child a strumpet or a lady of the night or anything close. This isn't about YOUR child.

Just a few quick questions!......

Do you not allow your child to have Facepaints on either? I.E like the Butterfly princesses or the queen of hearts make-up that can be done at the Paint shop in toontown,or any other type of fancy dress Facepaint at like partys or Halloween???
OR
If your daughter was to do a dance show(If she danced for example) because of lighting and overall effect to enhance the costume,say for example your daughter was to be a cat,or bunny rabbit in her school play for Easter........
Im just curious,Also just a quick one to add in Coming from the UK and seeing your use of words,like Tricked Up.Painted up etc I would have fully thought what other people did! that you was refering to the terms of a Street walker Lady of the night what ever you want to call them,
Just wondering how many others may have thought the same thing if it hadnt of been for reading the whole thread! I was quite shocked at 1st to see other peoples Daughters to be described like this,Obviously if this is what people say in the US to describe other meanings of decorated then wow Im pleased we dont use those definitions over here I would not like to describe a child in that way as it sounds quite harsh to be honest........Anyways i just thought that i would let you know that their might be other people out there that dont quite understand your take on the TRICKED UP....PAINTED UP, and may have found that a little out of place on here, and you could maybe explain that meaning after you have said the word so you dont get the Backlash you have gotten!

Another innocent bystander who lives here in the good ol USA and never in my life have I heard "tricked up" as meaning all the bells and whistles.

When I read mama who's post, I immediately thought she meant a streetwalker when the term tricked out and painted on was brought up.

It sounds very nasty and harsh like the pp also stated. And if someone referred to my child in this manner, I tell you I definetly wouldn't be very happy.

Also doesn't sound like a very family friendly statement to make. I certainly wouldn't use that term around my kids or want them using it to describe something either.

 

[maxiesmom]

In the context of BBB, I think "tricked out" is a pretty good definition, as in having all the bells and whistles. And at the prices that one pays at BBB, I would hope that all possible bells and whistles would be thrown in.
And for all the comparisons between BBB makeup and facepaint, again, painted up would be an acceptable term.
Finally, this thread is about BBB in genreal, not about your child in particular. No one called YOUR child a strumpet or a lady of the night or anything close. This isn't about YOUR child.

Actually, painted up would not be an acceptable term. Not every child goes for the more wild or extreme look. And that phrase is not a nice one. And I don't think it was meant to be. It was meant to be harsh.

And Mama Who has indeed made comments about some specific children. She made a comment directly about my niece. And while Mama Who hasn't come out and called any child a strumpet or lady of the night, she has sure implied than any child with makeup on looks like one. She could have easily shared her point of view on makeup without being.derrragatory of those who think it is ok. But she chose to go there, and now she can deal with the fallout.

 

[tinkerpea]

Another innocent bystander who lives here in the good ol USA and never in my life have I heard "tricked up" as meaning all the bells and whistles.

When I read mama who's post, I immediately thought she meant a streetwalker when the term tricked out and painted on was brought up.

It sounds very nasty and harsh like the pp also stated. And if someone referred to my child in this manner, I tell you I definetly wouldn't be very happy.

Also doesn't sound like a very family friendly statement to make. I certainly wouldn't use that term around my kids or want them using it to describe something either.

I was wondering that Hence my question about the term,I mean in the yr i lived in the US (my bioligical dad is American and lives in Orlando) and the other 20 odd times i have been over for anything from 2wks to 6wks i have never heard it or anything close!! but didnt want everybody to jump at me and say......EVERYBODY USES THAT TERM.......and like i said we certainly dont use it over here,I move to the US next yr for 3 yrs and hope to god nobody calls me Tricked up or Painted up when i put on my Beloved Make-up ,and hopefully no one will call my little neice that will come out for Halloween month(Its not celebrated enough over here so we are soooo excited for that) and dress up as a Princess when we take her to Disney for the 1st time!!!!!

 

[Theosus]

I definitely don't have a problem with it. I just cannot see projecting adult hnagups onto a child. It is not like they are making them up like streetwalkers. They use soft, girly type colors clearly meant for little girl dressup. No mascara, eyeliner, red lipstick ect. It has nothing to do with making them look older and everything to do with playing dressup. I say let them be little girls and have a little fun! Of course, I also don't have a problem allowing stage makeup for performances either. It is a necessary part of dancing. That doesn't mean I want to make my 7 year old a teen ager, and neither does letting her do BBB.

I agree - It's not like the kid is going onto one of those child molester buffets (Kid's beauty pageants). It's just dress-up. My kid has gone to BBB at 6, 7, and will go again this year. They make her up each time. We go over to the "photo studio" across from the castle and they do a shoot of her there. It's just fun, and at the end of the day it gets washed away.