Will "Old" tickets be converted to Biometrics?

FishNette

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I'm wondering if my existing PHP ticket will have a biometric measurement put on it when I use it in April. I'm not planning on converting it to a MYW ticket, since I've been told I don't have to.

Anyone know the answer? It would really screw up my family's plans if they put a biometric measurement on my PHP ticket.

Sweating the answer.....
 
If MYW tickets will (and that's not Official yet), then I would expect all of them to go that way---if they implement the biometrics database the way I *think* they do (i.e.: store the dimensions centrally rather than on the media magstrip) there is no technical reason why they couldn't, and every financial reason why they should.

(The reason I suspect the dimensions are not stored on the card is because, if they were, I could change them to anything I wanted with a magstripe writer.)
 
The reason I suspect the dimensions are not stored on the card is because, if they were, I could change them to anything I wanted with a magstripe writer.
That assuming you know the algorithm they are using for the encoding of the information on the card. I seriously doubt they store the lengths of your index and middle finger in plain text format. It's probably a single number that's either a "check digit" or perphaps some number that represents the added length (of undetermined unit of measure) of the two fingers, etc. If banks can securely encode ATM PINs on cards, I don't see why Disney can't do the same sort of thing with APs.

There's a MAJOR incentive for them not to store such data locally... cost! Setting up and mantaining such a database would cost money and provides no benefits over storing the data on each individual card. Plus if the DB went down, that could mess things up at the turnstiles. Another reason why I don't think the data is stored locally, then you need a replacement card you have to show your photo ID. If the authenication info were stored centrally, then all you'd have to give them is your name and address and they could just hand you a new AP and let the turnstile determine if you are who you say you are.
 

Geoff_M said:
That assuming you know the algorithm they are using for the encoding of the information on the card. I seriously doubt they store the lengths of your index and middle finger in plain text format. It's probably a single number that's either a "check digit" or perphaps some number that represents the added length (of undetermined unit of measure) of the two fingers, etc. If banks can securely encode ATM PINs on cards, I don't see why Disney can't do the same sort of thing with APs.

There's a MAJOR incentive for them not to store such data locally... cost! Setting up and mantaining such a database would cost money and provides no benefits over storing the data on each individual card. Plus if the DB went down, that could mess things up at the turnstiles. Another reason why I don't think the data is stored locally, then you need a replacement card you have to show your photo ID. If the authenication info were stored centrally, then all you'd have to give them is your name and address and they could just hand you a new AP and let the turnstile determine if you are who you say you are.

Actually, biometrics are the ONLY time the ATS system writes to your ticket. Other than that, they are read-only. :)
 
I'm very computer/technology illiterate here but I THINK the upshot is that if I go to the Disney Store and buy a 5 day pass now, then DS uses 4 days after the new system is installed, the pass will be encoded (or whatever) the first time he uses it so that only he can use the 5th day on a future trip, not DH or anyone else. Is that right?
 
Simba's Mom said:
I'm very computer/technology illiterate here but I THINK the upshot is that if I go to the Disney Store and buy a 5 day pass now, then DS uses 4 days after the new system is installed, the pass will be encoded (or whatever) the first time he uses it so that only he can use the 5th day on a future trip, not DH or anyone else. Is that right?

Exactly. Whoever would use that ticket after the new system goes into effect would be the one whose biometrics would be on the ticket.
 

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