Why is my time less important than the Dr's. time?

[Lisa loves Pooh]

and I suppose you only go to WDW in the dead of january to avoid waiting on line...

funny you hould mention the DMV...took my 16 year old to get her learner's permit, and taught her the REAL facts of life...that if you can take care of license renewals, etc., on line, that's easier than waiting in line...but sometime syou can't avoid the DMV...

We can do license plate renewals and DL by mail. Also--our DMV allows you to make appts for coming in to get a DL...and those people are bumped to the front of all the others walk in. (photos are digital so there is no need for renewals to present in person).

And to avoid the lines at WDW (the majorly unreasonable ones)--we only go with Seasonal Passes which blacks out the busy times anyway and then we utilize our fast passes and manage our trip in such a way to avoid all that.

Lines are expected as people wait to take their turns for an attraction--but there is a reasonable expectation as to what they should be and any person here on the DIS can plan their trip accordingly and time manage based on the park traffic that day.

People who don't like how something is managed in one place--have options.

Health care is consumer driven.

Why don't you understand that?

 

[#1MMFan]

Well therein lies the problem. It should be CARE driven.

It's my "alien" (for wont of a better word) impression that, in general, a lot of the people we've come across in the US these past few years are becoming far more dissatisfied and ready to complain if the slightest thing is wrong. I want to make it absolutely clear that I am NOT labelling every US citizen in this category. I have american-born relatives in my family who can be just as self-absorbed. Ten years ago, when I first went to the States, my impression was how wonderful it all was, how polite everyone was, how well-behaved the children were, how well the parents treated their children, and how I would be so happy to move there (if the country didn't make it nigh impossible to do so for professionals like me). Over the past say 4 years, I feel it has done a full circle with people at home being more polite, understanding and less obnoxious than some of the americans we've had misfortune to encounter. There are still a lot of really nice people there for sure, but the numbers of ignorant, self-absorbed, ready-to-complain for the least little thing, people have escalated significantly. It's gotten to the stage that I am happy where I am, have a good job, have plenty of things to keep me here, living in the vicinity of a large cosmopolitan city, and overall, nice people. In short I've had the rose-tinted spectacles removed - NOT by me - but by the numbers of Americans who, in all honestly, care only about their own needs and no-one elses. I think that's a really sad thing, to think that a country is now portraying that side to other nations.

In short, the US has a "me, myself and I" culture at the moment. And if they teach kids to be like that then I can't see it improving any time soon. You only have to look at the news channels in the US to realise that most of the stories focus on the US, and there is comparitively very little true "world news". If you don't believe me, then try looking at the BBC/Sky News sometime. It's JMHO that some Americans need to look to the bigger picture, and by that I don't mean going and buying yourself a 50" plasma TV.

But I have gone off on a tangent here it would seem, but really this whole post is just the bigger picture of what some of the posters on this thread are saying. (Not the original poster, who I think was owed some kind of - even cursory - apology for the mix-up/tardiness).

I hope MOST of you nice Americans won't take this post as meant for you personally. I still love ya, really.

 

[Stepharoonie!]

The office that I worked for was like that, especially with two PAs (one of which left and got her own office). Their first appointments were always for 7:30 in the morning, and they would show up around 8, 8:10. No apologies, nothing. Their excuse for being late was because they had kids. Hello, I have a kid and I have to be at work at 7:30...and I was here.

Then they'd blame the front desk for making them run behind. I am so happy to be out of there!

 

[VioltePrincess]

We can do license plate renewals and DL by mail. Also--our DMV allows you to make appts for coming in to get a DL...and those people are bumped to the front of all the others walk in. (photos are digital so there is no need for renewals to present in person).

And to avoid the lines at WDW (the majorly unreasonable ones)--we only go with Seasonal Passes which blacks out the busy times anyway and then we utilize our fast passes and manage our trip in such a way to avoid all that.

Lines are expected as people wait to take their turns for an attraction--but there is a reasonable expectation as to what they should be and any person here on the DIS can plan their trip accordingly and time manage based on the park traffic that day.

People who don't like how something is managed in one place--have options.

Health care is consumer driven.

Why don't you understand that?

I DO understand that...I chose the best doctor in his field on Long Island when I got sick. my choice for helath care.

because, frankly, when my life was on the line, "how long is the wait in the waiting room" was not a factor in choosing my health care providers. the doctor who provided my treatment was the second oncologist I saw. the first didn't keep me waiting endlessly in his waiting room, but the treatment he proposed...well, the second doctor provided the better treatment option.


to o back in the WDW analogy...the lines are always longer in July than in January because July is more desireable, most people prefer to go when school is out. if you prefer to go in january, that's fine for you.

I don't have a problem is you consider waiting room time a factor in choosing a medical provider. I do take exception to someone who announces "If you don't see me next, I'll leave." it's selfish and disrespectful to the other patients.

 

[Pigeon]

In short, the US has a "me, myself and I" culture at the moment.

This issue has absolutely nothing to do with any "me, myself and I culture." It has to do with the dehumanization of patients by the medical profession. I remember when doctors used to make house calls. That's a real change in the way health care is delivered, not just me whining. I remember when people used to actually get hospitalized when they needed surgery. I practically had my lumpectomy at the drive through window, and they didn't even offer me fries with the procedure.

 

[MsDisney23]

You know what, I just love all of my Doc's. Maybe I could make a 2 year calender with them, hell their all hot...

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I DO understand that...I chose the best doctor in his field on Long Island when I got sick. my choice for helath care.

because, frankly, when my life was on the line, "how long is the wait in the waiting room" was not a factor in choosing my health care providers. the doctor who provided my treatment was the second oncologist I saw. the first didn't keep me waiting endlessly in his waiting room, but the treatment he proposed...well, the second doctor provided the better treatment option.


to o back in the WDW analogy...the lines are always longer in July than in January because July is more desireable, most people prefer to go when school is out. if you prefer to go in january, that's fine for you.

I don't have a problem is you consider waiting room time a factor in choosing a medical provider. I do take exception to someone who announces "If you don't see me next, I'll leave." it's selfish and disrespectful to the other patients.

If you had two doctors of equal skill set who could pretty equally treat your condition--then wait time certainly would be one of the "selling points" as well as overall customer service and atmosphere and cost, etc in making your decision.


You can take exception with that person's statement...but I don't. If the practice is chronic in its scheduling issues--the first line of disrepect is from the office itself and not the patient making that statement. They are mostly speaking of a GP anyway....specialists are a bit different. No less responsible to their patient schedules, but hopefully have explained their practice to their patients (as the perinatologist I saw on Thursday did in the memo I signed when I went to see them).

Oh as far as Disney--we live here...we find it quite pleasant in January. I'm sure those stuck in 10 feet of snow would appreciate it as well. For those that wait for the 2 busiest and hottest months of the year....well, it was a choice and not a dire emergency. Not really comparable to DMV or the grocery store or the doctor's office.

Oh--and Disney realized the headache of long waits--so they developed the fast pass for popular attractions. Universal followed suit with their version. So their are ways around those wait times. Even in July.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Well therein lies the problem. It should be CARE driven.

For it to be care driven--the profession needs to care for their patients and that includes their schedule.

funny how my doctor's office (with EXCELLENT doctors) seems to be able to take care of both sides of the coin.

In short, the US has a "me, myself and I" culture at the moment. And if they teach kids to be like that then I can't see it improving any time soon. You only have to look at the news channels in the US to realise that most of the stories focus on the US, and there is comparitively very little true "world news". If you don't believe me, then try looking at the BBC/Sky News sometime. It's JMHO that some Americans need to look to the bigger picture, and by that I don't mean going and buying yourself a 50" plasma TV.

It has nothing to do with that.

(Not the original poster, who I think was owed some kind of - even cursory - apology for the mix-up/tardiness).

That is the problem--patients are not getting this simple act of courtesy. They are getting neglected in that regard. If you cannot be courteous to your patient if you are running behind....what else will you forget?

I hope MOST of you nice Americans won't take this post as meant for you personally. I still love ya, really.

I suppose generalizations could be made about your country as well that miss the point entirely.

 

[#1MMFan]

This issue has absolutely nothing to do with any "me, myself and I culture." It has to do with the dehumanization of patients by the medical profession. I remember when doctors used to make house calls. That's a real change in the way health care is delivered, not just me whining. I remember when people used to actually get hospitalized when they needed surgery. I practically had my lumpectomy at the drive through window, and they didn't even offer me fries with the procedure.

Oh puh-leez. That kind of rhetoric might work with Americans but it doesn't work with me. If there is "dehumanisation" then I'm sure it is not just with "the medical profession'.

And for your information, I make housecalls, send people into hospital when they need surgery etc. Having a lumpectomy at a drive through window eh? Did you rent an ECV for that? Oh heck, I've just re-opened a whole other thread.

 

[#1MMFan]

I suppose generalizations could be made about your country as well that miss the point entirely.

Well yes, we are nice, caring people with a funny accent....

But then you probably hadn't heard of my country until just now, let alone know where it is.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Oh puh-leez. That kind of rhetoric might work with Americans but it doesn't work with me. If there is "dehumanisation" then I'm sure it is not just with "the medical profession'.

And for your information, I make housecalls, send people into hospital when they need surgery etc. Having a lumpectomy at a drive through window eh? Did you rent an ECV for that? Oh heck, I've just re-opened a whole other thread.

Before you get all uppity in your tone..

They are working on legislation for women who are getting treated for breast cancer...b/c of the lack of care in the women--doing the procedure and sending them home. I don't have all the details--but it is not taking lightly and talked about on here if you search for it.

But I suppose they are just whiny Americans who are thinking all about them...just them and the fact they may have to lose their breasts. What selfish ego-driven women they are.

Your rhetoric doesn't fly here.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

http://www.cwlc.org/files/docs/Breast_Cancer_Protection_Final__2_.pdf

Pending legislation for those "selfish, ME ME ME" women.

 

[#1MMFan]

Before you get all uppity in your tone..

They are working on legislation for women who are getting treated for breast cancer...b/c of the lack of care in the women--doing the procedure and sending them home. I don't have all the details--but it is not taking lightly and talked about on here if you search for it.

But I suppose they are just whiny Americans who are thinking all about them...just them and the fact they may have to lose their breasts. What selfish ego-driven women they are.

Your rhetoric doesn't fly here.

"Nerve" and "touched" spring to mind.

What a totally stupid example to raise. You must think you're dealing with an idiot. Last I heard it's not just the doctors' remit to organise the beds in the hospital etc. That would be ADMINISTRATION. Geez, you like to make out we think we're God, then you go and ask us to be Him.

I certainly hope you are perfect at your job - if you actually work - because you're sure good at telling people how good they should be at their jobs.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Well yes, we are nice, caring people with a funny accent....

But then you probably hadn't heard of my country until just now, let alone know where it is.

No I don't know where Scotland is. Is it in Russia?

Nevermind we still have family in Great Britain.

You are quite unkind in your tone though b/c noone has taken the time to make rude remarks to you.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

"Nerve" and "touched" spring to mind.

What a totally stupid example to raise. You must think you're dealing with an idiot. Last I heard it's not just the doctors' remit to organise the beds in the hospital etc. That would be ADMINISTRATION. Geez, you like to make out we think we're God, then you go and ask us to be Him.

I certainly hope you are perfect at your job - if you actually work - because you're sure good at telling people how good they should be at their jobs.

I didn't know one had to be God to be polite.

You picked on a poster for her medical experience.

 

[VioltePrincess]

If you had two doctors of equal skill set who could pretty equally treat your condition--then wait time certainly would be one of the "selling points" as well as overall customer service and atmosphere and cost, etc in making your decision.


You can take exception with that person's statement...but I don't. If the practice is chronic in its scheduling issues--the first line of disrepect is from the office itself and not the patient making that statement. They are mostly speaking of a GP anyway....specialists are a bit different. No less responsible to their patient schedules, but hopefully have explained their practice to their patients (as the perinatologist I saw on Thursday did in the memo I signed when I went to see them).

.

Oh, I fully agree that the woman who was dissatisfied with the wait at her doctor's office needs to go elsewhere, for the sake of EVERYONE in the room.

if waiitng room time is a factor, by all means, find another doctor who doesn't have waiting room issues. and doctors who run late owe their patients an explanation. my oncologist, for example, runs late because he's doing surgery, rounds, etc. at three different hospitals.

the part I took exception to wasn't her leaving a practice where she was unhappy.

the problem I had with her was that she felt her time was more valuable than oanyone else's time, and that her unabashed rudeness to the other patients was somehow justified. that's like ...to use the WDW analogy again...after all the fast[***** are gone for the day, demanding that the CM give you one anyway because you don't like to wait on the line.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

the problem I had with her was that she felt her time was more valuable than oanyone else's time, and that her unabashed rudeness to the other patients was somehow justified. that's like ...to use the WDW analogy again...after all the fast[***** are gone for the day, demanding that the CM give you one anyway because you don't like to wait on the line.

That makes sense....not sure why fastpass is all of a sudden a naughty word.

 

[MsDisney23]

Hey Dr. 1MMFan, do you wear a Kilt? If so can I do some boundary transgression? Can I Can I....

 

[#1MMFan]

Nope never worn a kilt in my life. I suppose I can give you credit for calling it a kilt tho'. Please don't call me Dr tho' - it makes me feel all old and stuffy, and I usually ask people to call me by my first name at work. Makes for a nicer relationship.

If I come across strongly, it's because I'm really sick of all the ignorant people I've come across lately. I am polite in my job, and I expect others to be polite to me too. There are rude doctors, for sure, and there are rude patients too. As someone who is polite (in person, even if these boards do give me high blood pressure at times!) I cannot abide people being ignorant and demanding in any walk of life.

I don't use it very often, - I think it "dehumanises" a person - but don't you wonder where the term "patient" actually came from? I'm not sure myself, but I think we should consider changing it to "impatient".

I think the moral is everyone should be more polite and a little more tolerant to others. Then we can all live together as one happy family.

Okay, sermon over!!! hahahahah

 

[MsDisney23]

Nope never worn a kilt in my life. I suppose I can give you credit for calling it a kilt tho'. Please don't call me Dr tho' - it makes me feel all old and stuffy, and I usually ask people to call me by my first name at work. Makes for a nicer relationship.

If I come across strongly, it's because I'm really sick of all the ignorant people I've come across lately. I am polite in my job, and I expect others to be polite to me too. There are rude doctors, for sure, and there are rude patients too. As someone who is polite (in person, even if these boards do give me high blood pressure at times!) I cannot abide people being ignorant and demanding in any walk of life.

I don't use it very often, - I think it "dehumanises" a person - but don't you wonder where the term "patient" actually came from? I'm not sure myself, but I think we should consider changing it to "impatient".

I think the moral is everyone should be more polite and a little more tolerant to others. Then we can all live together as one happy family.

Okay, sermon over!!! hahahahah

I was just trying to lighten things up some! I love all my doc's and have a alot of respect for all of them! My doc's all bust their butt's for me!