Why BWV Grand Villa So High

[Disney Adventurer]

Just curious if any knows why the Grand Villas at BWV require so many more points than OKW? I know as a general rule BWV is a higher point structure than OKW, but the Grand Villas are significantly higher. A 2br during magic at OKW is 30 pts, BWV is 40 pref view (33% higher than OKW), 32 std view (6.7% higher than OKW). On the other hand a Grand Villa at OKW is 51 pts and BWV is 108 pts (112% higher). Disney must have know what they were doing because it appears the Grand Villas at both resorts stay pretty full.

 

[DVCJman]

Location

Location

Location......

 

[DebbieB]

I may have to do with the fact that there are only 7 GV's at BWV vs 27 at OKW (public offering statement 4/99).

 

[Dean]

Add to the fact that BW gave them the chance to reevaluate the process. I'm sure they decided that the differential was too low at OKW. Comparing a 2 BR plus a studio, the GV at OKW are a 120% premium and at BW a 150% premium. I suspect they saw how popular the GV were at OKW and decided to "fix it" for BW. No way they could go back and change the points structure for OKW.

I doubt it has anything to do with location per se though I'm sure the fact there are less at BW affects that issue somewhat. We'll see what the premium is at the new resort(s) to compare. IF EP actually happens, it should be our best comparison.

 

[drusba]

So Richyams wouldn't be tempted to stay there.

 

[ripleysmom]

LOL @ Drusba

 

[Richyams]

Lets look at the cost of dues.

Dues at BWV are 25% higher per point.

Points per night are 100% higher.

OKW units are about 20% larger.

Therefore, BWV GVs have a dues cost that is more than 250% higher per square foot per night than OKW.

What is it that justifies that?

Maybe there are only 7 because they realized that not that many people would be willing to pay those wild dues to deal with the small units.

 

[ncligs]

Well said Richyams , those are very valid points you make.Maybe BWV's owners can have "real answers" to your facts that you stated about the GV"s at BWV's.

 

[vacationman]

Ya know, it is also a lot more expensive to stay at the Malibu Beach Inn (on the ocean) than the joint across the street even though the rooms are much larger across the street.

As DVCJman once said - "Location, location, location".

 

[Peterd]

"Dues at BWV are 25% higher per point"

Why would that be? Could it be that the BW offers so much more to the owner? Once again, better pools, better dining options, a way better health club, and of course the great location next to the parks.

"Points per night are 100% higher"

They are higher for preferred view rooms, but at some times during the year, (I don't know why), the Okw GV is higher than the BWV GV.
The standard view rooms for the Two bedroom is the same in Nov. at the BW as it is at OKW. The standard view studio is one more point than OKW.

"OKW units are about 20% larger"

Size again? I think it's because there is not as much to do at Okw, so you spend more time in your room there.

"Maybe there are only 7 because they realized that not that many people would be willing to pay those wild dues to deal with the small units"

The BW is sold out right? Someone must be willing to pay those wild dues.
The GV at BW small? It seems large enough for us. How much more space do you really need? We come down to WDW two to three times a year, and stay in the GV at least one of the trips. We had close to 40 people in our room one night in Nov., and still had plenty of room. Half of them were on the balconies enjoying the entertainment below us. I wonder why you would need more space in a GV, Maybe some want to have plenty of space away from the rest of their family, or vice versa.
There seem to be plenty of people willing to spend the points to stay in them when we're there. I called again yesterday looking for standard view rooms for a few friends in Nov. I got put on a waiting list, but she did say that the Okw was wide open. I don't get it. The rooms we want in Nov cost the same in points at the BW as they do at the Okw, they're a little smaller than the okw, but the BW is sold out, and the okw is wide open. I wonder why?

...and one more time,"Points per night are 100% higher"

Again, location, location, location. There's a reason why the hotels outside of Disney, get cheaper as you get further away from it. Kinda of like Okw. with the points.

To the other Okwesters, Okw IS a very nice resort, Just felt like answering the famous BW basher. Still keeps coming back to the size thing. I wonder why?

 

[ncligs]

Peterd,

Very entertaining reply , but do you get tired of the walk from the parking lot at BWV's??

 

[ripleysmom]

Stands, Claps and Whistles wildly for PeterD!!


"Very entertaining reply , but do you get tired of the walk from the parking lot at BWV's??"

Please allow me......that is what valet parking is for at BWV....

 

[ncligs]

Please allow me......that is what valet parking is for at BWV....

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Just wondering if they carry your shopping bags, groceries, etc up to your room also, after they park your car?????

 

[CM Tinkerbell]

Well, I love them both equally and own at both.

My question is, BWV does not differentiate between standard and preferred views with their Grand Villas. Are they all preferred? Or you pay the same no matter where your villa is located?

 

[Peterd]

The parking lot walk isn't too bad if you use the entrance by the tennis courts, but we valet most of the time anyway. How 'bout the average walk from an okw room to the main pool? Now that's a walk.
And, yes the bell hops do bring our groceries up to the room at the BW. Another great perk! Thanks for the reminder.
Our last trip, one of our friends we got rooms for at the BW did just that. Handed the groceries to the bell hop, and said man now this is a vacation.

 

[Peterd]

CMtink,
we own at both also, like okw, but just prefer BW. The GV's are all considered preferred views. We know when we stay in the GVs at the Bw, we could get 3 standard two bedrooms with 7 points left over a night for the same price of one GV per night, but once a year we like to splurge and do the GV. It really is high at 79 points a night, but it is a lot of fun to stay in.

 

[DebbieB]

All the GV's are preferred view. I'm not sure if they are all Boardwalk view or if some are main pool view.

I own at BWV but love them both too. That's the beauty of DVC, you can move around. We like OKW for our laid back May vacation and BWV for our early December vacation, it's great to be in the middle of everything then. I bought at BWV instead of OKW because I knew it would be difficult to get a BWV reservation for early December at 7 months especially for a standard view. No problem getting a May OKW reservation at 7 months. They each have their advantages, in fact we usually make a visit to the other one on each trip.

 

[ripleysmom]

Thanks peter for fielding that question about valet parking!! I guess I should have left it to you LOL!!

 

[Disney Adventurer]

Didn't mean to start or should I say re-start the resort war. But I think as someone pointed out, that is what makes DVC so great. Everyone has their own taste and opinion and Disney has managed to offer quite a wonderful variety. But either way GV's are very well booked at both resorts, so why no GV's at VWL or BCV?

 

[drusba]

That's OK, Disney Adventurer, everyone would die of boredom around here if we didn't have a good resort war every once in a while. I of course stay out of these battles, as I truly think all the resorts are on the same level of excellence. I mean just because BWV has the best location, a great pool, the best hotel ameneties, and its own great nightlife doesn't mean that there is not something good to find at the other resorts. OKW has the largest rooms and lowest points and dues which undoubtedly makes up for its being located out in a country pasture with nothing to do at night except sit out on your porch and play tiddly-winks. VWL has excellent theming which overcomes the inferiority that all there must feel when they have to shell out the same number of points as BWV preferred even though their location is mediocre, their main pool is too far from the rooms, and even Disney believes it is the lesser resort as it charges less per room per night there for cash ressies than it does at BWV. VB has an ocean front location. Sure it could be wiped out by a hurricane but having a beach is clearly nirvana and makes up for its not being at WDW and that owners there pay the highest dues and many were sold only because Disney has offered high incentives giving it a bargain basement price and told purchasers that they could just buy there and then stay at a WDW resort any time they want with no problem. HH is located at one of the premier beach and golf resorts in the nation and thus has a lot to offer even though Disney failed to even put it on the beach and it is too cold in winter to even go there.

Thus, all the others really are just as good as BWV (at least in the minds of their owners). They didn't put any GV's at VWL or BCV because under the point structures adopted for those resorts they would have to charge the same as a BWV GV and they could not figure anyway to make people believe they would be getting the same luxury and value as they would have at BWV GV which is located right over the boardwalk.

Thus, as you, I firmly believe there is no reason to start these resort wars that we see crop up here now and then. I mean nobody should feel that they should have to try to prove that another resort is just as good as BWV.